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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 11:36:16 AM   
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God, I was just reminded that Scream 4 is a thing.

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What's really rather depressing for me, is that I actually agree with some of the comments made by a certain someone in that S4 thread. I had to use all my willpower to not wade into that one....

As for the Studio Censorship discussion, I think I made some points earlier in the thread and still stand by them, I think they were mostly positive about the BBFC in recent years, and that the approach they take nowadays is much better. The studio's themselves are, by and large, the ones responsible for the cuts we see so often. The Die Hard 5 thing? Clearly the studio. And that's certainly not a movie worthy of this much thought and discussion.

Interestingly, I watched The Hobbit again the other day (well, kinda watched it, it was on and I dipped in and out) and I noticed on the Blu cover that it's a 12A, which really surprised me. I havent been to the BBFC to see what it was that caused the 12A certificate, but I never noticed anything that made it a clear 12A, it certainly seems on par, in terms of content and tone, with Fellowship, which I beleive remains a PG. I can understand RotK and TTT being 12A, mostly due to the battle scenes and the big fucking spider, but The Hobbit seemed like a shoe in for a PG.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 12:00:19 PM   
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There are a LOT of very gruesomely stabbed, beheaded, crushed by rocks, deliberately pushed and sent falling to their deaths, etc Orcs in The Hobbit. A LOT. Gandalf kills LOTS and there is almost a sense of glee to the number of them wiped out. I found it more high on the violence-o-meter than the LOTR films by a very long way, and maybe the casual nature of the laughter, including by Gandalf of even faceless identikit baddies was a bit strong for PG.

Edit. Also many mercilessly killed dwarves during the dragon attack.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 12:03:41 PM   
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There are a LOT of very gruesomely stabbed, beheaded, crushed by rocks, deliberately pushed and sent falling to their deaths, etc Orcs in The Hobbit. A LOT. Gandalf kills LOTS and there is almost a sense of glee to the number of them wiped out. I found it more high on the violence-o-meter than the LOTR films by a very long way, and maybe the casual nature of the laughter, including by Gandalf of even faceless identikit baddies was a bit strong for PG.


In most films you can get away with all the wanton slaughter you like as long as it's not people getting killed, though.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 12:09:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jobloffski

There are a LOT of very gruesomely stabbed, beheaded, crushed by rocks, deliberately pushed and sent falling to their deaths, etc Orcs in The Hobbit. A LOT. Gandalf kills LOTS and there is almost a sense of glee to the number of them wiped out. I found it more high on the violence-o-meter than the LOTR films by a very long way, and maybe the casual nature of the laughter, including by Gandalf of even faceless identikit baddies was a bit strong for PG.

Edit. Also many mercilessly killed dwarves during the dragon attack.


I genuinely didn't see it as much different, tonally or in terms of content than Fellowship. The Orc deaths etc aren't much more graphic than Fellowship surely, and I think it is all classed as 'Fantasy Violence', I don't think there was anything similar to Boromir's death or Aragorn killing that main Orc dude in Fellowship, so it all seemed much of a muchness to me. I get why TTT and RotK are 12A, cos there are the big battle's and we do see a bit more death dealt to more recognisible human-like characters. I don't recall anything gruesome or graphic in Hobbit that would set it apart from Fellowship. Dwarves in the Dragin Attack? Nothing really graphic though, and certainly no more graphic than the hundreds of Elves and Men killed in the opening of Fellowship. Still an oddity to me is that.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 12:15:32 PM   
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I don't know, the Goblin King does get his stomach cut open.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 12:16:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: porntrooper


quote:

ORIGINAL: jobloffski

There are a LOT of very gruesomely stabbed, beheaded, crushed by rocks, deliberately pushed and sent falling to their deaths, etc Orcs in The Hobbit. A LOT. Gandalf kills LOTS and there is almost a sense of glee to the number of them wiped out. I found it more high on the violence-o-meter than the LOTR films by a very long way, and maybe the casual nature of the laughter, including by Gandalf of even faceless identikit baddies was a bit strong for PG.

Edit. Also many mercilessly killed dwarves during the dragon attack.


I genuinely didn't see it as much different, tonally or in terms of content than Fellowship. The Orc deaths etc aren't much more graphic than Fellowship surely, and I think it is all classed as 'Fantasy Violence', I don't think there was anything similar to Boromir's death or Aragorn killing that main Orc dude in Fellowship, so it all seemed much of a muchness to me. I get why TTT and RotK are 12A, cos there are the big battle's and we do see a bit more death dealt to more recognisible human-like characters. I don't recall anything gruesome or graphic in Hobbit that would set it apart from Fellowship. Dwarves in the Dragin Attack? Nothing really graphic though, and certainly no more graphic than the hundreds of Elves and Men killed in the opening of Fellowship. Still an oddity to me is that.


Possible spoilers:

I haven't watched it since December but the two bits that come to my mind that could possibly explain it are the severed head of that Orc (can't remember his name) in the flashback to Moria and the way the Goblin King was taken out (not with the power of the voodoo...). I seem to remember the camera dwelling on the severed bonce, if only a little. Or it's an excellent example of the eyewitness testimony phenomenon.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 12:34:50 PM   
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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 12:36:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FoximusPrime


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ORIGINAL: porntrooper


quote:

ORIGINAL: jobloffski

There are a LOT of very gruesomely stabbed, beheaded, crushed by rocks, deliberately pushed and sent falling to their deaths, etc Orcs in The Hobbit. A LOT. Gandalf kills LOTS and there is almost a sense of glee to the number of them wiped out. I found it more high on the violence-o-meter than the LOTR films by a very long way, and maybe the casual nature of the laughter, including by Gandalf of even faceless identikit baddies was a bit strong for PG.

Edit. Also many mercilessly killed dwarves during the dragon attack.


I genuinely didn't see it as much different, tonally or in terms of content than Fellowship. The Orc deaths etc aren't much more graphic than Fellowship surely, and I think it is all classed as 'Fantasy Violence', I don't think there was anything similar to Boromir's death or Aragorn killing that main Orc dude in Fellowship, so it all seemed much of a muchness to me. I get why TTT and RotK are 12A, cos there are the big battle's and we do see a bit more death dealt to more recognisible human-like characters. I don't recall anything gruesome or graphic in Hobbit that would set it apart from Fellowship. Dwarves in the Dragin Attack? Nothing really graphic though, and certainly no more graphic than the hundreds of Elves and Men killed in the opening of Fellowship. Still an oddity to me is that.


Possible spoilers:

I haven't watched it since December but the two bits that come to my mind that could possibly explain it are the severed head of that Orc (can't remember his name) in the flashback to Moria and the way the Goblin King was taken out (not with the power of the voodoo...). I seem to remember the camera dwelling on the severed bonce, if only a little. Or it's an excellent example of the eyewitness testimony phenomenon.


Maybe that's why, but liek I say, it doesn't feel too different to the kinda thing we see in Fellowship - Boromir getting filled with arrows feels harsher and more real than anything in The Hobbit, and it's a man, which I always thought would have a caused a harsher view from the BBFC. It's no biggie, just a curiosity.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 1:39:53 PM   
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I don't know, the Goblin King does get his stomach cut open.


and his throat cut!

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 1:57:23 PM   
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What you call 'bitchy behaviour' we call an interjection from the Moderation Team.

The interjection was your genuinely helpful request to everyone to be on-topic, the bitchy behaviour was the rest of your post, especially your catty hyperbolic accusations of 'tinpot dictatorships' and 'backseat modding'. Get some tips from whoever governs the moderators on this behaviour.

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Stop telling other posters what to do

You need to be conscious of the irony inherent in this comment.

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A word has been removed from your post - it's unacceptable on this Board, don't use it again.

...as well as the irony of censoring someone on a censorship board just because you're upset with them. Power really DOES corrupt.

A shame because we were back on topic until your wounded ego started making a fuss. So, any thoughts as to which forthcoming film might fall victim to the BBFC's cuts-for-cash?





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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 2:08:09 PM   
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That word you used always gets removed from posts, regardless of the poster.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 2:12:06 PM   
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Well, part of a moderator's job is to tell people what to do, if things are getting out of hand. That's what they're there for. And there's no BBFC for internet forums, so sometimes it's necessary to edit things within the realm of decency when younger people may read it.
And really... we're not on topic any time you post.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 2:30:31 PM   
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Maybe that's why, but liek I say, it doesn't feel too different to the kinda thing we see in Fellowship - Boromir getting filled with arrows feels harsher and more real than anything in The Hobbit, and it's a man, which I always thought would have a caused a harsher view from the BBFC. It's no biggie, just a curiosity.


I think that probably boils down to the context of the violence. As jobloffski mentions, there's almost a sense of glee about the deaths in The Hobbit, as cartoony as they are, they are also a bit "gory" (relatively speaking) and they could be seen as superfluous to the plot, whereas Boromir's death is more of a dramatic, emotional affair which adds to the narrative (and is less bloody).

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 2:31:20 PM   
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What you call 'bitchy behaviour' we call an interjection from the Moderation Team.

The interjection was your genuinely helpful request to everyone to be on-topic, the bitchy behaviour was the rest of your post, especially your catty hyperbolic accusations of 'tinpot dictatorships' and 'backseat modding'. Get some tips from whoever governs the moderators on this behaviour.

quote:

Stop telling other posters what to do

You need to be conscious of the irony inherent in this comment.

quote:


A word has been removed from your post - it's unacceptable on this Board, don't use it again.

...as well as the irony of censoring someone on a censorship board just because you're upset with them. Power really DOES corrupt.

A shame because we were back on topic until your wounded ego started making a fuss. So, any thoughts as to which forthcoming film might fall victim to the BBFC's cuts-for-cash?









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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 2:32:12 PM   
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I don't know, the Goblin King does get his stomach cut open.


and his throat cut!


Plus, and to be too silly about it, there's the whole fiery tree bit - a bit too realistic a threat for young 'uns?

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 2:42:00 PM   
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you bitchy bitchy catty tinpot dictatorship



Censorship rules




Seriously though Drooch, interact nicely with other posters. Criticise the post and not the poster.

If you continue with your current tone we will likely have to limit your posting rights. Can you not see how your tone has dragged this topic off to not a very nice place?

Please regard moderators comments otherwise our corrupt power will start to be used.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 2:43:10 PM   
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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 23/4/2013 5:05:59 PM   
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So I stand by my "censorship apologist" stance that the UK is the biggest market for Hollywood product outside of North America. Just give me a shout when you want to come down of your high horse and I'll bring a ladder.


It's great that you were able to contribute to this topic and correct my error regarding that link. Which makes it all the more a shame that you chose to be a smug prick with your 'high horse' comment, and then completely undermine your factual correction by making an error of your own. The UK is not 'the biggest market for Hollywood product outside of North America', China and Japan are:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/449107/20130322/china-hollywood-box-office-sales-mpaa.htm

The point still stands that the reason the UK suffers more cut films than similar sized markets is because we have a classification body that offers a unique 'cuts advice service' for a fee. This cuts-for-cash system leaves the UK cinemagoer with neutered cinema films, whereas countries whose classification bodies do not offer this service do not suffer the same abundance of censored material. The fact that the BBFC are supposed to serve the British public, but instead are taking money for their involvement in bowdlerising our films, is a problem for British cinephiles.



Why is it so difficult for you to differentiate between the words "Domestic" and Foreign"

According to the MPAA report you linked to, the total box office in china for 2012 was 2.7 billion dollars (a figure repeated in the story above but not analysed), but almost half of that was locally produced cinema. The box office revenue share for Hollywood produced cinema is 53% (really quite remarkable considering the Chinese only allow 34 Hollywood films a year to be released). so 53% of 2.7 billion is 1.43 billion dollars.

In the UK revenues (and I'm taking these from the MPAA report you referenced) were 1.7 billion dollars, as I pointed out above the vast majority of which is Hollywood produced cinema, almost 93% of UK cinema releases are major Hollywood studio films. So 93% of 1.7 billion is 1.58 billion dollars

Unfortunately I can't find a breakdown for Japan but seeing as they still produced over 400 films in a year when they had one of the biggest natural disasters in their history I would hazard a guess that the Japanese figures are probably similar.

I really don't know why it so difficult for you to process this simple maths. maybe it's because it doesn't suit your argument.

I have no idea why the MPAA and the American film industry is so keen to propagate a myth in the media, China will be a massive cash cow for Hollywood, already is in fact but a simple look at their own figures reveals some holes in their story. So I'm right, your wrong - that's not me being a smug prick, that's just me looking behind the headlines and critically analysing.

Not that this will make any difference to you...

And all these up in arms British cinephiles who are being duped by the BBFC into paying to watch neutered cinema, where are they? There's you and about two others on here, no one else gives a flying fuck by the look of it. Seems you're fighting a losing battle and all you're doing is antagonising people who may have had some sympathy with your viewpoint.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 24/4/2013 1:05:13 AM   
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Not to take this further of topic, but can I convert my badass points to book tokens or record tokens?

It's my mum's birthday soon and I'm a cheap cunt.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 24/4/2013 1:19:26 AM   
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You can only get credit at the shop you got them from.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 24/4/2013 1:25:43 AM   
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You can only get credit at the shop you got them from.

Also..... record tokens??


Our Price don't sell them anymore?

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 24/4/2013 1:36:58 AM   
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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 24/4/2013 8:36:44 AM   
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Guys you are not helping. Please keep it on topic.


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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 24/4/2013 10:08:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD


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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I don't know, the Goblin King does get his stomach cut open.


and his throat cut!


That'd do it.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 24/4/2013 3:20:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Discodez

quote:

ORIGINAL: Drooch

quote:

So I stand by my "censorship apologist" stance that the UK is the biggest market for Hollywood product outside of North America. Just give me a shout when you want to come down of your high horse and I'll bring a ladder.


It's great that you were able to contribute to this topic and correct my error regarding that link. Which makes it all the more a shame that you chose to be a smug prick with your 'high horse' comment, and then completely undermine your factual correction by making an error of your own. The UK is not 'the biggest market for Hollywood product outside of North America', China and Japan are:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/449107/20130322/china-hollywood-box-office-sales-mpaa.htm

The point still stands that the reason the UK suffers more cut films than similar sized markets is because we have a classification body that offers a unique 'cuts advice service' for a fee. This cuts-for-cash system leaves the UK cinemagoer with neutered cinema films, whereas countries whose classification bodies do not offer this service do not suffer the same abundance of censored material. The fact that the BBFC are supposed to serve the British public, but instead are taking money for their involvement in bowdlerising our films, is a problem for British cinephiles.



Why is it so difficult for you to differentiate between the words "Domestic" and Foreign"

According to the MPAA report you linked to, the total box office in china for 2012 was 2.7 billion dollars (a figure repeated in the story above but not analysed), but almost half of that was locally produced cinema. The box office revenue share for Hollywood produced cinema is 53% (really quite remarkable considering the Chinese only allow 34 Hollywood films a year to be released). so 53% of 2.7 billion is 1.43 billion dollars.

In the UK revenues (and I'm taking these from the MPAA report you referenced) were 1.7 billion dollars, as I pointed out above the vast majority of which is Hollywood produced cinema, almost 93% of UK cinema releases are major Hollywood studio films. So 93% of 1.7 billion is 1.58 billion dollars

Unfortunately I can't find a breakdown for Japan but seeing as they still produced over 400 films in a year when they had one of the biggest natural disasters in their history I would hazard a guess that the Japanese figures are probably similar.

I really don't know why it so difficult for you to process this simple maths. maybe it's because it doesn't suit your argument.

I have no idea why the MPAA and the American film industry is so keen to propagate a myth in the media, China will be a massive cash cow for Hollywood, already is in fact but a simple look at their own figures reveals some holes in their story. So I'm right, your wrong - that's not me being a smug prick, that's just me looking behind the headlines and critically analysing.

Not that this will make any difference to you...



All I see is you trying to discredit the new article because it disproves your error in saying 'the UK is the biggest market for Hollywood product outside of North America', and desperate, insecure ego-bolstering - 'I'm right, your wrong' etc.

The industry article clearly states 'China Replaces Japan as Biggest International Market for Hollywood Movies', are you saying it's lying? And where did you get your 53% and 93% figures from?

I'm sure you would 'hazard a guess that the Japanese figures are probably similar', since that would conveniently support your erroneous claim that 'the UK is the biggest market for Hollywood product outside of North America.'

Even more importantly, none of this provides any evidence against the theory that the BBFC's cuts-for-cash service, exclusive to the UK, is what accounts for the relative abundance of cut films in UK cinemas.

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And all these up in arms British cinephiles who are being duped by the BBFC into paying to watch neutered cinema, where are they? There's you and about two others on here, no one else gives a flying fuck by the look of it. Seems you're fighting a losing battle and all you're doing is antagonising people who may have had some sympathy with your viewpoint.

The amount of angry butt-hurt in this paragraph is amusing, but you should just keep calm and focus on content, not emotional release. I've never met a cinephile who prefers censored films, and the casual cinemagoers I've made aware of the BBFC's cuts-for-cash service were appalled by it, so that's where the impression comes from.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 24/4/2013 3:24:58 PM   
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If you think that Hollywood movies don't get cut even more drastically for release in China (the ones that get released at all, that is), I don't know what to tell ya...

And there is no "cuts-for-cash" service.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 24/4/2013 3:31:57 PM   
Harry Tuttle


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If studios want a certain rating then they'll get a certain rating eventually.

If the BBFC didn't provide this so called "cuts for cash" service then the studios wouldn't decide "hey, wait, why not release it uncut". What they'd do instead is blindly cut and resubmit it until the BBFC deem it worthy of the rating the studios are aiming for.

Now, do you reckon by going this route that the likelihood is that more stuff will be cut out of the film or less? If anything you should be thanking the BBFC for ensuring the bare minimum gets cut out of the film.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 24/4/2013 3:37:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Harry Tuttle

If studios want a certain rating then they'll get a certain rating eventually.

If the BBFC didn't provide this so called "cuts for cash" service then the studios wouldn't decide "hey, wait, why not release it uncut". What they'd do instead is blindly cut and resubmit it until the BBFC deem it worthy of the rating the studios are aiming for.

Now, do you reckon by going this route that the likelihood is that more stuff will be cut out of the film or less? If anything you should be thanking the BBFC for ensuring the bare minimum gets cut out of the film.


This is an excellent point.

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 24/4/2013 3:45:34 PM   
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Can the "cash-for-cuts" thing be compared to putting your car in for a pre-MOT? You pay money to have your item inspected and advised how to get it to an acceptable state before testing?

What is it you actually think you are missing out on by having these cuts made? Do you feel like you aren't seeing the complete film? Because there will be a shit load more on the editing room floor that you'll never see....

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RE: STUDIO CENSORSHIP - THE WRETCHED 12A - 24/4/2013 3:50:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: shool


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you bitchy bitchy catty tinpot dictatorship



Censorship rules




Seriously though Drooch, interact nicely with other posters. Criticise the post and not the poster.

If you continue with your current tone we will likely have to limit your posting rights. Can you not see how your tone has dragged this topic off to not a very nice place?


Are you joking? Look back at the thread, the hostile 'high horse' comment brought the tone down, and then MonsterCat and pals started dropping provocative gifs to try and derail the thread. I've tried to get things back on topic at every turn, as you can see for yourself, so please direct your powers where they belong.

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Please regard moderators comments otherwise our corrupt power will start to be used.


I have no problem with you, shool, and will respectfully take your comments onboard. I can't say the same for elab49 who, as you can see for yourself, throws around bitchy comments at people then threatens to abuse his moderator powers to silence their entirely justified resistance to being bullied.

Anyway, back on-topic as you asked. Where do you stand on the BBFC's cuts-for-cash service?


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