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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 15/2/2013 1:09:21 PM   
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By all reports, and his own admission on Twitter, he's a pretty damn good shot with a gun.

I'm also assuming that if he hears something in the middle of the night, then he's going to have to attach his legs (you don't sleep with those things on...do you?), which is surely going to take a good couple of minutes in the pitch black and then he has to get his gun, go out and investigate.... and in all that time his girlfriend doesn't identify herself/he doesn't realise it's her?

Hm.

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 15/2/2013 1:18:40 PM   
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By all reports, and his own admission on Twitter, he's a pretty damn good shot with a gun.

I'm also assuming that if he hears something in the middle of the night, then he's going to have to attach his legs (you don't sleep with those things on...do you?), which is surely going to take a good couple of minutes in the pitch black and then he has to get his gun, go out and investigate.... and in all that time his girlfriend doesn't identify herself/he doesn't realise it's her?

Hm.


Yeah, I was wondering about the legs thing - if he keeps a gun by his bed, as many people do in South Africa by the sounds of it, and heard a sound would he bother attaching his legs first or just fire blindly from his bed?


The whole thing is just horrible.

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 15/2/2013 1:33:22 PM   
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Also, RE: the Sun and how shite it can be....

I find this in particular bad taste, especially when yesterday witnessed One Billion Rising, which was in protest to abuse received by women. So now, a woman has been killed, by her boyfriend, and all they can do is objectify her. It's just nasty.


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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 15/2/2013 1:47:13 PM   
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By all reports, and his own admission on Twitter, he's a pretty damn good shot with a gun.

I'm also assuming that if he hears something in the middle of the night, then he's going to have to attach his legs (you don't sleep with those things on...do you?), which is surely going to take a good couple of minutes in the pitch black and then he has to get his gun, go out and investigate.... and in all that time his girlfriend doesn't identify herself/he doesn't realise it's her?

Hm.


Yeah, I was wondering about the legs thing - if he keeps a gun by his bed, as many people do in South Africa by the sounds of it, and heard a sound would he bother attaching his legs first or just fire blindly from his bed?



But even then you'd have to assume that it wouldn't be the first time he'd been woken by a sound in the night, surely even the most nervous person doesn't immediately grab a gun and start shooting. Especially as firing blindly runs the risk of

A. Shooting the wrong person.

B. Missing the criminal and giving them reason to return fire.

So if he's trained with a gun, and the fear of crime is a familiar situation, surely he'd know better.

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 15/2/2013 1:57:58 PM   
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By all reports, and his own admission on Twitter, he's a pretty damn good shot with a gun.

I'm also assuming that if he hears something in the middle of the night, then he's going to have to attach his legs (you don't sleep with those things on...do you?), which is surely going to take a good couple of minutes in the pitch black and then he has to get his gun, go out and investigate.... and in all that time his girlfriend doesn't identify herself/he doesn't realise it's her?

Hm.


Yeah, I was wondering about the legs thing - if he keeps a gun by his bed, as many people do in South Africa by the sounds of it, and heard a sound would he bother attaching his legs first or just fire blindly from his bed?



But even then you'd have to assume that it wouldn't be the first time he'd been woken by a sound in the night, surely even the most nervous person doesn't immediately grab a gun and start shooting. Especially as firing blindly runs the risk of

A. Shooting the wrong person.

B. Missing the criminal and giving them reason to return fire.

So if he's trained with a gun, and the fear of crime is a familiar situation, surely he'd know better.



Yeah, I know - I'm just pondering.

And he definitely is trained with a gun - as Matty said, there's been a lot in interviews about it.

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 3:38:16 PM   
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First Lance and now Oscar...Sir Steve Redgrave next?

And I find the puns very distasteful .A young women was shot here remember?

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 3:51:22 PM   
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First Lance and now Oscar...Sir Steve Redgrave next?
And I find the puns very distasteful .A young women was shot here remember?


So your comment about Sir Steve Redgrave wasn't a pun then, you were being serious?

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 3:55:37 PM   
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With humour there is a line. Unfortunately that line is differently placed for every single person. Some of the tamer jokes on this forum will be met with horror by some. Others see nothing wrong with any of Frankie Boyle's jokes. When death and tragedy strike, humour will always be present. It's inescapable, a gallows humour of sorts, and there's not a lot to be done other than ignore what you dislike and enjoy what you do.

I would rather live in a world where we can endure people making bad jokes about horrific events, than live in a world where what we can or cannot say is censured to that extent. Obviously "freedom of speech" is trotted out as an excuse for people saying all sorts of prejudiced and narrowminded things, but there's a legal line that isn't in play here. You can't legislate against bad taste. You can just ignore it.



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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 4:00:38 PM   
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I know what you are saying, but surely a humerous angle on an horrific event is a humerous angle, irrespective of it's level of sickness? A pun is still making light of the matter. If King_Bard above had said he finds some of the puns on here distasteful, I might not be nit-picking
That said, I'm all full of Pastorious jokes now, I must have read/heard about a thousand over the weekend, most of them not funny.

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 4:15:06 PM   
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First Lance and now Oscar...Sir Steve Redgrave next?
And I find the puns very distasteful .A young women was shot here remember?


So your comment about Sir Steve Redgrave wasn't a pun then, you were being serious?



Seriously? You are bringing me up on that?

Do you honestly think what I said was in any way distasteful?

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 4:22:12 PM   
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With humour there is a line. Unfortunately that line is differently placed for every single person. Some of the tamer jokes on this forum will be met with horror by some. Others see nothing wrong with any of Frankie Boyle's jokes. When death and tragedy strike, humour will always be present. It's inescapable, a gallows humour of sorts, and there's not a lot to be done other than ignore what you dislike and enjoy what you do.

I would rather live in a world where we can endure people making bad jokes about horrific events, than live in a world where what we can or cannot say is censured to that extent. Obviously "freedom of speech" is trotted out as an excuse for people saying all sorts of prejudiced and narrowminded things, but there's a legal line that isn't in play here. You can't legislate against bad taste. You can just ignore it.




I do agree, but immediately derailing a thread with them is another matter, but thats at the feet of the thread creator to decide?but as you say it's about what is acceptable and legal, as long as its applied to other areas, and we can all be third rate Frankie Boyles about everything, keeping it legal, then it's all good. I guess ignoring is easy, as long as you know and expect the tone in news threads to contain bad taste jokes. I guess perspective is needed too, I mean you wouldn't want a user jokingly using a thick footballers stereotype being compared to a step away from racism/discrimination would you, or being brought up on it by a couple of other users.


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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 4:26:07 PM   
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First Lance and now Oscar...Sir Steve Redgrave next?
And I find the puns very distasteful .A young women was shot here remember?


So your comment about Sir Steve Redgrave wasn't a pun then, you were being serious?



Seriously? You are bringing me up on that?

Do you honestly think what I said was in any way distasteful?


No, not at all, and I'm never serious
It was just ironic that the first sentence in the first post you make in this thread is a joke (or at least I assume it was and you're in no way suggesting Redgrave is a drug's cheat/murderer) and your second sentence was announcing you find the puns in this thread distasteful.

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 4:29:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: erasheha1985

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ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

With humour there is a line. Unfortunately that line is differently placed for every single person. Some of the tamer jokes on this forum will be met with horror by some. Others see nothing wrong with any of Frankie Boyle's jokes. When death and tragedy strike, humour will always be present. It's inescapable, a gallows humour of sorts, and there's not a lot to be done other than ignore what you dislike and enjoy what you do.

I would rather live in a world where we can endure people making bad jokes about horrific events, than live in a world where what we can or cannot say is censured to that extent. Obviously "freedom of speech" is trotted out as an excuse for people saying all sorts of prejudiced and narrowminded things, but there's a legal line that isn't in play here. You can't legislate against bad taste. You can just ignore it.




I do agree, but immediately derailing a thread with them is another matter, but thats at the feet of the thread creator to decide?but as you say it's about what is acceptable and legal, as long as its applied to other areas, and we can all be third rate Frankie Boyles about everything, keeping it legal, then it's all good. I guess ignoring is easy, as long as you know and expect the tone in news threads to contain bad taste jokes. I guess perspective is needed too, I mean you wouldn't want a user jokingly using a thick footballers stereotype being compared to a step away from racism/discrimination would you, or being brought up on it by a couple of other users.



You would have loved the "boy pokes crocodile with stick" thread . I found that thread extremely distasteful but it did at least teach me that pretty much nothing is pun proof on this forum.

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 4:33:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Harry Tuttle

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ORIGINAL: erasheha1985

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ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

With humour there is a line. Unfortunately that line is differently placed for every single person. Some of the tamer jokes on this forum will be met with horror by some. Others see nothing wrong with any of Frankie Boyle's jokes. When death and tragedy strike, humour will always be present. It's inescapable, a gallows humour of sorts, and there's not a lot to be done other than ignore what you dislike and enjoy what you do.

I would rather live in a world where we can endure people making bad jokes about horrific events, than live in a world where what we can or cannot say is censured to that extent. Obviously "freedom of speech" is trotted out as an excuse for people saying all sorts of prejudiced and narrowminded things, but there's a legal line that isn't in play here. You can't legislate against bad taste. You can just ignore it.




I do agree, but immediately derailing a thread with them is another matter, but thats at the feet of the thread creator to decide?but as you say it's about what is acceptable and legal, as long as its applied to other areas, and we can all be third rate Frankie Boyles about everything, keeping it legal, then it's all good. I guess ignoring is easy, as long as you know and expect the tone in news threads to contain bad taste jokes. I guess perspective is needed too, I mean you wouldn't want a user jokingly using a thick footballers stereotype being compared to a step away from racism/discrimination would you, or being brought up on it by a couple of other users.



You would have loved the "boy pokes crocodile with stick" thread . I found that thread extremely distasteful but it did at least teach me that pretty much nothing is pun proof on this forum.


Hey I just want to know what's acceptable, everything it seems apart from alluding Frank Lampard is thick or making negative statements about Colin Farrell . This forum has changed a lot since I was here in the orange days, I forget how much time has passed. Peace and love to all.


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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 4:36:42 PM   
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Is it really possible to completely derail a thread? This isn't a verbal conversation where you can be talked over and interrupted, there's nothing to stop you from carrying on regardless. If people are interested in discussing something with you they will.

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 5:30:32 PM   
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Hey I just want to know what's acceptable, everything it seems apart from alluding Frank Lampard is thick or making negative statements about Colin Farrell . This forum has changed a lot since I was here in the orange days, I forget how much time has passed. Peace and love to all.



Oh it hasn't changed that much fella, there are still shed loads of annoying students on here...

Also, the Frank Lampard stuff is fine and completely acceptable, but that doesn't mean everyone agrees with it.

It would be even more boring on here (than it has become) if we all agreed about everything....

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 7:04:13 PM   
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Hey I just want to know what's acceptable, everything it seems apart from alluding Frank Lampard is thick or making negative statements about Colin Farrell . This forum has changed a lot since I was here in the orange days, I forget how much time has passed. Peace and love to all.



Oh it hasn't changed that much fella, there are still shed loads of annoying students on here...

Also, the Frank Lampard stuff is fine and completely acceptable, but that doesn't mean everyone agrees with it.

It would be even more boring on here (than it has become) if we all agreed about everything....


Because there's nothing boring about moaning about how boring it is compared to back in the day. Maybe that's cos back then nobody was moaning about how good it used to be... /winkyfacetoalleviatetensionandindicatejocularity

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 7:15:38 PM   
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Hey I just want to know what's acceptable, everything it seems apart from alluding Frank Lampard is thick or making negative statements about Colin Farrell . This forum has changed a lot since I was here in the orange days, I forget how much time has passed. Peace and love to all.



Oh it hasn't changed that much fella, there are still shed loads of annoying students on here...

Also, the Frank Lampard stuff is fine and completely acceptable, but that doesn't mean everyone agrees with it.

It would be even more boring on here (than it has become) if we all agreed about everything....


Because there's nothing boring about moaning about how boring it is compared to back in the day. Maybe that's cos back then nobody was moaning about how good it used to be... /winkyfacetoalleviatetensionandindicatejocularity


The mods were better back then too, from what I can see especially that Kanwar fellow, anyhow, enough of this back in the day stuff. It doesn't sound right coming from a white non hip hop fan. And yes you can scold me for using a lazy stereotype.

So this Oscar fellow....

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 7:31:45 PM   
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quote:

Hey I just want to know what's acceptable, everything it seems apart from alluding Frank Lampard is thick or making negative statements about Colin Farrell . This forum has changed a lot since I was here in the orange days, I forget how much time has passed. Peace and love to all.



Oh it hasn't changed that much fella, there are still shed loads of annoying students on here...

Also, the Frank Lampard stuff is fine and completely acceptable, but that doesn't mean everyone agrees with it.

It would be even more boring on here (than it has become) if we all agreed about everything....


Because there's nothing boring about moaning about how boring it is compared to back in the day. Maybe that's cos back then nobody was moaning about how good it used to be... /winkyfacetoalleviatetensionandindicatejocularity


The mods were better back then too, from what I can see especially that Kanwar fellow, anyhow




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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 8:53:56 PM   
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So this Oscar fellow....


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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 9:33:28 PM   
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Back to Pistorius and there's reports in the Saffer press that he was seen carrying her body down the stairs and that there was a bloodied cricket bat found at the scene.

I'll leave the police are stumped gags to someone else

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 18/2/2013 10:03:56 PM   
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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 19/2/2013 1:31:00 PM   
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So Oscars account is

He got up from bed where he was sleeping with Reeva to go outside.
He than heard something in the bathroom.
He was not with his legs so he grabbed his gun.
He than shot four times at the door.
He used the cricket bat to smash the door open realising Reeva was not in the bed he was previously sleeping in.
When he found her he carried her downstairs where she died.



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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 19/2/2013 2:14:08 PM   
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Because there's nothing boring about moaning about how boring it is compared to back in the day. Maybe that's cos back then nobody was moaning about how good it used to be... /winkyfacetoalleviatetensionandindicatejocularity



Ooowwww touchy.

Sorry, I forgot we aren't even aloud to mention that it's not as much fun on here anymore - compared to the orange days when the internet was a brave new world etc.... sheeesh

It's true of most forums I'm sure.


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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 19/2/2013 4:45:57 PM   
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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 19/2/2013 4:56:19 PM   
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So Oscars account is

He got up from bed where he was sleeping with Reeva to go outside.
He than heard something in the bathroom.
He was not with his legs so he grabbed his gun.
He than shot four times at the door.
He used the cricket bat to smash the door open realising Reeva was not in the bed he was previously sleeping in.
When he found her he carried her downstairs where she died.




Yeah, I was reading about that earlier. It doesn't seem... entirely plausible. Not implausible, but it doesn't quite seem to add up to me. He didn't hear or notice she had left the bed and gone to the bathroom, but heard something in the bathroom and immediately leapt to the conclusion someone had climbed in through the toilet window? I don't think that would be my first thought. And apparently it's a conclusion he felt so convinced by that he grabbed his gun from under the bed (still not noticing his girlfriend wasn't in it), unloaded on the fucking toilet door while screaming for her to call the police and then UH OH SPAGHETTIO'S realises his gf isn't in the bed and it was her in the toilet. And why would you use a cricket bat to open a toilet door? What kind of door was it that he couldn't just put his Olympic athlete shoulders through it?

It all just seems a bit weird to me.

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 19/2/2013 5:38:12 PM   
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I have no idea....he might be telling the truth but who knows.
I guess I just keep asking why wold he bother killing her?? It all seems so random.

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 20/2/2013 8:50:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lbiu

So Oscars account is

He got up from bed where he was sleeping with Reeva to go outside.
He than heard something in the bathroom.
He was not with his legs so he grabbed his gun.
He than shot four times at the door.
He used the cricket bat to smash the door open realising Reeva was not in the bed he was previously sleeping in.
When he found her he carried her downstairs where she died.




Yeah, I was reading about that earlier. It doesn't seem... entirely plausible. Not implausible, but it doesn't quite seem to add up to me. He didn't hear or notice she had left the bed and gone to the bathroom, but heard something in the bathroom and immediately leapt to the conclusion someone had climbed in through the toilet window? I don't think that would be my first thought. And apparently it's a conclusion he felt so convinced by that he grabbed his gun from under the bed (still not noticing his girlfriend wasn't in it), unloaded on the fucking toilet door while screaming for her to call the police and then UH OH SPAGHETTIO'S realises his gf isn't in the bed and it was her in the toilet. And why would you use a cricket bat to open a toilet door? What kind of door was it that he couldn't just put his Olympic athlete shoulders through it?

It all just seems a bit weird to me.


I don't know, as you say pretty implausible, but could be 1 of those idiotic situations that is so implausible it's actually true. He did seem pretty distraught in court yesterday, either that or he's a brilliant actor.

I kind of get the impression he's so paranoid about CRIME and being murdered in his own bed, so he arms himself and it becomes a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy and the only ones who end up dead are them or a member of their family? How big is his bed and how dark is his room that he couldn't see she wasn't in it? And if he was shouting to the intruder and to his girlfriend he obviously wasn't giving anyone any time to respond before shooting, otherwise surely she would have shouted back "WTF are you doing, it's me you twat".

If he's saying he shot through the door while not having his legs on should the bullet trajectories not show that, or have I just watched way too much CSI?

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 20/2/2013 9:07:01 AM   
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People can kill comeone and still be genuinely distraught. Abusers eg are often extremely remorseful, esp if they attack when drunk. And, of course, self-pity can make you pretty upset too.

So I wouldn't put much on his courtroom behaviour tbh. It could be that, it could be other things.

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RE: Oscar Pistorius Arrested over shooting - 20/2/2013 9:43:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: elab49

People can kill comeone and still be genuinely distraught. Abusers eg are often extremely remorseful, esp if they attack when drunk. And, of course, self-pity can make you pretty upset too.

So I wouldn't put much on his courtroom behaviour tbh. It could be that, it could be other things.


Beat me to it. I suspect his torment is genuine, but that has no bearing on what happened that night. Reading further updates this morning, if the prosecutions evidence matches their claims then his defences explanation looks even more ropey to me. If she was fully clothed when she was shot that would make the defence that she was in bed look unlikely, and if there was an overnight bag packed and neighbours heard them rowing then that does too (as well as suggesting a confrontation of some type). If ballistic evidence backs up the police officers belief that the bullets were fired down, rather than up, then that suggests Pistorius had his prosthetics on. Murkier and murkier.

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