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RE: A Good Day To Die Hard - 16/2/2013 1:42:20 AM   
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I suppose the issue is that since Die Hard we've had every version of it with other films. You can't put him on a bus (Speed), or a plane (Air Force One/Passenger 57), a boat (Speed 2) etc, so the enclosure gets widened in order to make it seem 'bigger' than the last. Nakatomi Building > Airport > New York City > Eastern Seaboard > Russia.




I know what you are saying, but the films were all based on either novels, short stories or articles... they had ideas behind them.

Die Hard (based on the sequel to Frank Sinatra's The Detective called Nothing Lasts Forever) - lone wolf v terrorists in a skyscraper in order to save his wife/hostages. Creates the subgenre of "Die Hard On A..."

Die Harder - based on a short story called 58 minutes - has to save wife on doomed airliner running out of fuel above Washington DC.

With A Vengeance - again based on a short story called "Simon Says" and this time we have a series of challenges/riddles he has to do with a sidekick.

4.0 - think this was based on an article about cyber attacks (quite current) and the first 30 minutes are gripping as we see transport and communication getting knocked out.

This new movie had none of that. There was no-one in peril, no clever deception/cover story that had Moscow for example in danger. No classic gimmick like Simon Says.

Sadly, it was like Hitman or Call of Duty made into a B- movie.

It was a generic action movie with a character called John McClane and not John McClane of Die Hard.


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RE: A Good Day To Die Hard - 16/2/2013 1:50:49 AM   
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By the way here are my ratings for the Die Hard films:

Die Hard 5 stars

Die Harder 4 stars

With a Vengeance 4 stars

4.0 3 stars

A Good Day 2 stars


And here is a challenge for us all...

Can you list all the "Die Hard On A..." movies and then see what is left for Die Hard 6?

I quite like the idea of Ignition and the hero trying to save NASA!


DIE HARD ON A BUS (Speed)

DIE HARD ON A BOAT (Speed 2, Under Siege)

DIE HARD ON A PLANE (Passenger 57, Air Force One, Executive Decision - kind of.. - )

DIE HARD ON A TRAIN (Under Siege 2)

DIE HARD IN A STADIUM/ARENA (Sudden Death)

DIE HARD IN THE WHITE HOUSE (Olympus Has Fallen, White House Down)


There you go for starters.

DIE HARD 6 IDEAS

What about seeing Die Hard in an Old Folks Home?

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RE: John McClane 1988 - 1996. Rest In Peace - 16/2/2013 5:19:18 AM   
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I expect a great action film and apparently that is not what this is. It is not just Kim Newman, it is almost all critics who have seen it. Also, according to my Twitter feed, a couple of non-critics think it's shit too. It's disappointing, sure, but have ever considered the possibility that maybe the film is as bad as people are saying?


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Stick with Lincoln mate, lots of talkie bits. When the rest of the human race go to see a Die Hard film out of choice they know EXACTLY what to expect.


Oh my God...



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My low expectations meant I quite enjoyed it. - 16/2/2013 10:52:30 AM   
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I found AGDtDH to be way more entertaining than it should be, although this is in spite of Willis, not because of him. The script gives him a few sharp one-liners, but this new version of John McClane doesn't have the likeable charm of the first three iterations.

Is it a great Die Hard movie? No. But it is a good Bruce Willis movie, and those are in short supply these days…

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RE: My low expectations meant I quite enjoyed it. - 16/2/2013 11:48:30 AM   
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All the money they spend on these films it never fails to amaze me how they always skimp on the Director (this mainly seems to be FOX) I mean there was no backstory to the film the main villan was there & gone, no humor just crash bang wallop.
I think someone spends WAY!!! too much time on his games console.
I've only seen 1 real positive review in the press & that was Alan Frank's 10/10 so that doesn't count (he actually loved Movie 43? )
7/10 as an action flick 4/10 as a Die Hard film

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RE: My low expectations meant I quite enjoyed it. - 16/2/2013 12:20:00 PM   
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All the money they spend on these films it never fails to amaze me how they always skimp on the Director (this mainly seems to be FOX) I mean there was no backstory to the film the main villan was there & gone, no humor just crash bang wallop.
I think someone spends WAY!!! too much time on his games console.
I've only seen 1 real positive review in the press & that was Alan Frank's 10/10 so that doesn't count (he actually loved Movie 43? )
7/10 as an action flick 4/10 as a Die Hard film

That's actually the best review I've seen so far.

Private Hudson's description of Chernobyl also has me rethinking my original evaluation. I'm glad I have a boxset of the original trilogy. I have 4.0 on it's own, and I'll probably get this but I'll wait till it's on sale.

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RE: My low expectations meant I quite enjoyed it. - 16/2/2013 5:20:19 PM   
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I have just heard a radio spot for this and the only positive review blurb they gave was '10/10, The Daily Star'......

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RE: My low expectations meant I quite enjoyed it. - 16/2/2013 5:33:17 PM   
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Was that from Paul Ross, by any chance...? Is he still allowed to review films?

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RE: John McClane 1988 - 1996. Rest In Peace - 16/2/2013 5:33:46 PM   
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I expect a great action film and apparently that is not what this is. It is not just Kim Newman, it is almost all critics who have seen it. Also, according to my Twitter feed, a couple of non-critics think it's shit too. It's disappointing, sure, but have ever considered the possibility that maybe the film is as bad as people are saying?


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Stick with Lincoln mate, lots of talkie bits. When the rest of the human race go to see a Die Hard film out of choice they know EXACTLY what to expect.


Oh my God...



Doesen't even make sense, bet Lincoln grosses far more than this desprate cash in. I agree with much of what Private Benjamin said about the appeal of the first film.

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RE: My low expectations meant I quite enjoyed it. - 16/2/2013 5:51:40 PM   
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Was that from Paul Ross, by any chance...? Is he still allowed to review films?




It was by a dude called Alan Frank. I read his 'review' on the Star website and I can happily say that it marked the first and only time I will ever visit said site. The first paragraph reads 'IF you fancy a wild orgy of adrenaline-surging action and enough bulletblazing gunplay to cause a worldwide shortage of lead, here it is.'



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RE: John McClane 1988 - 1996. Rest In Peace - 16/2/2013 9:41:54 PM   
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I was going to write a rant about how annoying, frustrating and stupid I thought this film was, but I've just this second had a text from my mum saying she's seen it and loved it, and now I don't have the heart.

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RE: John McClane 1988 - 1996. Rest In Peace - 16/2/2013 9:46:30 PM   
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I was going to write a rant about how annoying, frustrating and stupid I thought this film was, but I've just this second had a text from my mum saying she's seen it and loved it, and now I don't have the heart.


It's not as if Mrs Hood will ever see this. Rant please.

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RE: John McClane 1988 - 1996. Rest In Peace - 16/2/2013 9:54:53 PM   
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I was going to write a rant about how annoying, frustrating and stupid I thought this film was, but I've just this second had a text from my mum saying she's seen it and loved it, and now I don't have the heart.


It's not as if Mrs Hood will ever see this. Rant please.

I was proper psyched up and everything but she's really knocked the wind out of my sails.

Ugh, parents getting in the way all the time. I might have to stop calling her mum and call her by her Christian name. All the time. After every line. Every 5 seconds... ah, there we go

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RE: John McClane 1988 - 1996. Rest In Peace - 17/2/2013 1:21:07 AM   
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So....does this mean we're getting a rant or not?

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RE: John McClane 1988 - 1996. Rest In Peace - 17/2/2013 9:29:12 AM   
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Jesus. What an utter turd. Not only does it fail as a 'Die Hard' movie in every respect, it pretty much fails as a mindless action movie too.

Although Die Hard 4 often felt like a watered down Die Hard and it had a plot that felt too big for the Mclane character, it did, on a few occasions feel like Die Hard and Mclane often felt like Mclane. Here, the character is gone, no longer recognisable and not even likable in his new guise. The problem is that for the most part he is a bystander and never actually drives the action forward, he's just along for the ride. He's the annoying sidekick in his own fucking movie. For me, Mclane himself is the biggest problem during the whole movie. He is just such a different character now, and he's a fucking arsehole.

The plot? Shite. Every other character? Boring. The action? Well, here is where I was hoping it might, at the very least, have been entertaining. How fucking wrong! That big opening court break out and car chase couldve been amazing. It's clear the practical stunt work was well done, however Moore's direction and editing renders it all pointless by keeping the camera bobbin weaving, zooming, pulling out and then holding focus far to close up. It's near as dammit unwatchable and the direction means all geography o the scene is lost. Plus It's the first time we see the new Mclane bein a huge wanker.... Punching civvies and causing mass casualties without any real regard for anyone. Even Die Hard 4 retained his thought for the public (during a crash he starts checking on other passengers). I mean, think back to how unhappy he is with Zeus in Die Hard 3 for shouting at the woman on the phone..... Despite everything Mclane is a good guy and a cop and has regard for the people he's serving. The remaining action is all too similar to really distinguise from each other, it's Mclane and son on one side of the room shooting at the bad guys at the other side, followed by a run and escape, accompanied by helicopter fire. It all blurs into one. Again, even Die Hard 4 changed it up and knew that the audience needs to see Mclane beat up good and proper. We all k ow Die Hard 4 had its faults when compared to the original three, but even then it knew to change things up and make eqch action beat different. i mean think of that fistfight and the car in the lift shaft, the first gun fight and car chase, the tunnel and the fist fight/gun fight in the ventin sytem and the truck chase. Some of it may be a bit too big for Die Hard, but it all feels different. Die Hard 5 just feels the same all the eay through! Boring as fuck! The only time i though 'oh thats something different and pretty cool' was when Mclane drives the truck out the chopper, but even then i was thinking 'fuck it, gimme a jet vs truck any day'.

A truly terrible, terrible move. There is no way I will ever consider this a Die Hard movie. Utter shit. Fuck me it's so dissapointing.

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RE: aweful movie - 17/2/2013 11:26:38 AM   
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**Spoilers (if it's possible to 'spoil' a piece of shit like this)**

One particular attempt at recurring humour in ‘A Good Day to Die Hard’ provides as good a snapshot as any as to what to expect from the film as a whole.

‘I’m on vacation!’, John McClane bellows inanely on numerous occasions whilst in the thick of the action.

Consider the fact that McClane has made his way to Russia after learning that his son is in jail awaiting trial for murder and you’ll see that the joke makes no sense whatsoever (unless, of course, McClane has decided that checking up on his murderous offspring is all part of the holiday he’s undertaken).

It’s a bad joke: lazy, nonsensical, without a punchline; and it’s been done before, but better.

A Good Day to Die Hard is basically 3 action set pieces connected by a thread of numbingly mundane scenes that serve to forward the flimsy plot.

This time around, the now bullet proof super cop John McClane heads to Moscow to see what’s up with his estranged son. We know they’re estranged because McClane opens up to a concerned bit-parter and tells him that he hasn’t spoken to his son in a long time and the last time ‘it wasn’t good’. The helpful extra kindly confirms to McClane that they do things differently in Russia.

So, McClane nabs a lift to the airport with his daughter Lucy (having un-estranged himself from her whilst saving the entire United States of America a few years earlier). Seemingly not too concerned by her brother’s grim predicament Lucy warns McClane not to make things worse. McClane smirks knowingly.

McClane pitches up at the courthouse where his son is due, via a painfully unfunny cab ride, and after a series of explosions conveniently ends up face to face with son John Jnr. The first big set piece ensues and sees a massive car chase through the streets of Moscow with McClane pirouetting not one, but two vehicles through the air. It all ends with John Jnr letting McClane tag along whilst the gears of the plot crunch into motion. It turns out John Jnr is in the CIA and, well, who cares? It’s completely uninspired and uninteresting.

Next up are more explosions, the first of the yawn-inducing ‘twists’, a ridiculous, tap-dancing, carrot-chomping baddie, father/son bonding whilst mowing down goons and a death-defying leap through windows, scaffolds and who knows what else all whilst taking fire from a helicopter gunship.

Now a moment of respite as the crawling pace comes to a standstill for a ‘meaty’ emotional scene where McClane, verging on obnoxious bullying, mocks his son for his injuries and crying as a child. He then gleefully urges him to man up so they can go and kill some scumbags. John Jnr happily signs up for the proposed killing spree.

Then it’s off to Chernobyl where the stupidity is taken to new levels and the cinematography to the darkest depths of murk as the McClane boys finally coalesce into an unbeatable tag-team of destruction where they see off the baddies amidst bullets & fireballs aplenty.

The film signs off with McClane and his kids walking in slow motion as sunshine blinds us and deafening music tries to force us to feel the emotion of such a reunion.

Presumably, Holly is being held over for part 6 where she’ll be kidnapped by Loki & the Mandarin, and McClane, barefoot and white-vested once again can bring the franchise to a close by saving the entire universe and retiring to the moon.

The whole pile of shit oozes along at the slowest 97 minutes you are every likely to experience. John Moore brings his usual level of witless butchery to the filmmaking process aided by a contemptible script by Skip Woods. Willis must take his share of the blame too. This film couldn’t have been made without his participation and although it’s probably hard to turn down the silly money he was no doubt paid, he should have shown some integrity and insisted on a better story and director.

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RE: Ode to nearly joy - 17/2/2013 3:32:48 PM   
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Having seen this on IMAX this morning I'm not quite as disappointed as everyone else. In fact when the base tones to ode to joy crept in before the credits I hoped this stirring moment was going to be a positive sign. Alas what followed was not what I'd hoped. There's no doubt the action is good but the plot and dialogue(particularly when father and son first meet) were weak. It's a 3 star action movie for me. Oh and it's nice and short which is wonderful compared to most movies these days. Not as terrie as some folk want it to be.


It is easily the worst Die Hard entry of the series.

It is the Lada to the Bugatti Veyron of the 1988 original.


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RE: My low expectations meant I quite enjoyed it. - 17/2/2013 3:39:54 PM   
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All the money they spend on these films it never fails to amaze me how they always skimp on the Director (this mainly seems to be FOX) I mean there was no backstory to the film the main villan was there & gone, no humor just crash bang wallop.
I think someone spends WAY!!! too much time on his games console.
I've only seen 1 real positive review in the press & that was Alan Frank's 10/10 so that doesn't count (he actually loved Movie 43? )
7/10 as an action flick 4/10 as a Die Hard film

That's actually the best review I've seen so far.

Private Hudson's description of Chernobyl also has me rethinking my original evaluation. I'm glad I have a boxset of the original trilogy. I have 4.0 on it's own, and I'll probably get this but I'll wait till it's on sale.


Re: Chernoybl... I know. You think for a multi-million dollar budget movie they could at the very least have looked up Wikipedia!

BTW I didn't as I am old enough to remember Chernoybl and subscribe to National Geographic which had a 25 years later edition in 2011.

Swimming in the water, rainwater or otherwise, is possibly the stupidest thing you could do in a radioactive area other than ingesting food grown in the land. Or being unlucky enough to breathe in air from the dust cloud (only in the aftermath of the event right enough).

In an aside to this... I went to Tokyo about 3 weeks after Fukushima! It was a ghost town (considering around 30 million people live there that is quite something) and I remember having to look up some guy on Facebook who was publishing Geiger counter readings day by day! Scary stuff.

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RE: My low expectations meant I quite enjoyed it. - 17/2/2013 4:50:49 PM   
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I wonder who will be the first to start a genuine thread for this flick in 'Favourite Films?

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RE: My low expectations meant I quite enjoyed it. - 17/2/2013 5:02:21 PM   
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RE: My low expectations meant I quite enjoyed it. - 17/2/2013 5:18:07 PM   
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RE: A Good Day To Die Hard - 18/2/2013 1:10:27 AM   
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Part 6

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John McLaine dies slowly from radiation poisoning (an apt punishment for inflicting the abomination that is Die Hard 5 onto the world)

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RE: A Good Day To Die Hard - 18/2/2013 9:31:08 AM   
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Jesus fucking Christ, the more I thought about this wretched steaming turd of a flcik over the weekend, the more and more I grew to despise it. Usually I can just let bad movies drift off into the past, never to be thought of again, but this..... this fucking abomination, just wont leave my mind. Horrible horrible movie. Nothing in it makes sense, the horribly murky lighting, the wobbly camera work (somethign I would never really be annoyed about - it works in Quantum of Solace for example, for me anyways), the bizarre decision to hold the camera really close up during the car chase, the wierd long shots that wobbled and zoomed and held seemingly no definition in the IMAX picture, the awful sunset family reunion and freeze frame ending (no Die Hard movie should end like that! they all end with a similar visual style as the camera slowly lifts away from McClane and Co surrounded by bit players and emergency services), the horrid mucis that tried to turn the subtle themes in to a huge bombastic action score, the boring shootouts where people just stand stationary, no dynamic at all! Just all fucking horrid!


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RE: A Good Day To Die Hard - 18/2/2013 10:33:04 AM   
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Yeah this is largely awful. The script is awful, he can't shoot action at all, there's zero humour or wit. McClane has absolutely no charm and Willis seems to have forgotten how to play him. It's just bad.

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RE: my friend heard this conversation between the studi... - 18/2/2013 12:18:05 PM   
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This was an abomination, not just a bad Die Hard film as many are stating, just a plain bad film.

Willis isn't even trying this time around. At least in 4.0, he still felt like McClane. Here, not so much.

Or at all really.

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What I wanna know... - 18/2/2013 2:51:27 PM   
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RE: What I wanna know... - 18/2/2013 4:41:28 PM   
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Okay then. I'm not going to rant about how this is the "Worst.Film.Ever" or an "abomination" or a "disgrace to the series" or any of that stuff because it's just not worth it. This was simply just a bad film.

There was no humour or invention in it. There's no memorable villains There's no sense of excitement, urgency or peril, there's really no sense at all. There's no one to care about , root for, or against. It's just deadly dull and boring and feels much longer than it's brief running time would suggest. It's no wonder Willis was so unenthused on The One Show, he just didn't care about this film when he was making it and doesn't now. "Contractual Obligation" seems to be his main motivation. The BBFC page for the film lists a very well known actor as appearing in the film - he hadn't appeared by the time the credits ran so I assume he must appear in a post credits sting (assuming his listing isn't an error) I really couldn't be bothered to hang around to see.

What a shame.

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RE: What I wanna know... - 18/2/2013 5:06:42 PM   
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Okay then. I'm not going to rant about how this is the "Worst.Film.Ever" or an "abomination" or a "disgrace to the series" or any of that stuff because it's just not worth it. This was simply just a bad film.

There was no humour or invention in it. There's no memorable villains There's no sense of excitement, urgency or peril, there's really no sense at all. There's no one to care about , root for, or against. It's just deadly dull and boring and feels much longer than it's brief running time would suggest. It's no wonder Willis was so unenthused on The One Show, he just didn't care about this film when he was making it and doesn't now. "Contractual Obligation" seems to be his main motivation. The BBFC page for the film lists a very well known actor as appearing in the film - he hadn't appeared by the time the credits ran so I assume he must appear in a post credits sting (assuming his listing isn't an error) I really couldn't be bothered to hang around to see.

What a shame.


There is no post credits sequence.

I can't remember anything about this film.

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RE: What I wanna know... - 18/2/2013 5:20:37 PM   
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I dont think he does appear, I think i is an error. Kinda happy for the fella that this shitstain movie wont appear on his cv.

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RE: What I wanna know... - 18/2/2013 5:55:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: porntrooper

I dont think he does appear, I think i is an error. Kinda happy for the fella that this shitstain movie wont appear on his cv.


Indeed that Is a good thing

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