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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 6:48:45 AM   
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Even if they did give him a publishing deal because of who he was, it was a lifetime of dedication and hard work that got him where he is today. He hasn't lucked out, he's just reaping the benefits of his achievements.


If that's the case, would it be ok to make him a teacher, a carpenter, a pilot or the CEO of a multi-national, just because he worked hard at football?


That's a bit of a tame argument? Listing professions that require qualifications, or a reliable ability to ensure the safety and well being of others isn't really comparable.


No it's not a tame argument. Saying Lampard is reaping the benefits of working hard in one profession to gain employment in another totally different profession that has no links to it is ridiculous. So I'm using equally ridiculous professions as examples. Not just that, those professions all require a certain amount of skill, as does being a children's author. So hard work in another profession is completely irrelevant.

But just for you, I won't use examples that ensure the safety of others or need qualifications (which carpenters and CEOs don't really). Would Lampard deserve a commission for a portrait, a place in a professional orchestra or a five album deal because he worked hard at football?

How do you know he hasn't worked hard at it? You really think someone can just become a good writer "because?"

It's not a ridiculous argument at all, no matter how much you want to twist it into something else.

Also this isn't a profession that requires qualifications, anyone can do it if they're good enough.

I happen to think that's a good thing, even if they are a footballer.

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 8:05:51 AM   
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How do you know he hasn't worked hard at it? You really think someone can just become a good writer "because?"


You're right, they can't. However, that still hasn't stopped celebrities getting book deals. Madonna's children's fiction was shit. Same with Sarah Ferguson. And look at that there Katy Price. Even though her books are clearly ghost-written they are still atrocious. Yet she still describes herself as an "author". It's the name that sells, not the skill. And if the lack of skill is too obvious, pay someone else to do the hard work.

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Also this isn't a profession that requires qualifications, anyone can do it if they're good enough.


You're right, anyone can write if they're good enough. But being good enough does not create an automatic gateway into the publishing world. Unless, of course, you're a celebrity, and then it doesn't even actually matter if you're good enough.

But, you're right, he might be good at it. Fair enough. But seeing people waltz into publishing deals without putting in the ground work while others fight to get their voices heard is frustrating.


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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 9:18:47 AM   
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How do you know he hasn't worked hard at it? You really think someone can just become a good writer "because?"


How do you know he has worked hard at it? You know as little about his writing as I do. Besides, when did I say he hasn't worked hard at it? Where did I say I had a problem with Lampard becoming a good writer if he's worked hard at it? And how do you know he's a good writer? You've no evidence.

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It's not a ridiculous argument at all, no matter how much you want to twist it into something else.


What am I trying to twist? You said 'Even if they did give him a publishing deal because of who he was, it was a lifetime of dedication and hard work that got him where he is today.' I have problem with that because I don't believe someone deserves success in one field because they've worked hard in another. Otherwise thousands of people across the country, and lots of people here, deserve a publishing deal. I work 45 hours a week and have always worked hard. I've probably been through more hardships than Lampard and have still been dedicated to my work. Does that mean I deserve a book deal?

If you'd said he'd worked at hard at writing whilst being a footballer then that would be ok. But you didn't, so I'm not twisting anything.

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 10:00:17 AM   
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This thread is funny. I wouldn't have thought the completely unremarkable occurrence of a celebrity trying their hand at something outside their established field would cause such a fuss.

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 11:13:10 AM   
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That's pretty harsh. She has a point - the more mediocre authors are given publishing deals, the more mediocre the available reading material becomes. It's perhaps not quite as relevant to young children's fiction as to adult fiction, given young children's books are much simpler and concerned with teaching kids to read and learn, to absorb and enjoy fiction, but the logic is there. For all we know, Lampard won that contract over a retired school teacher with a specialism in young children's linguistics. It's an extreme example, I know; but who would be more likely to get the deal on merit?



No, not harsh. Steff was using an emotive comment about 'will somebody think of the poor children' to criticise Frank's pending deal. Criticise and be cynical about this deal all you like, but let's not make rudimentary false statements about the quality of modern children's literature when the evidence suggests otherwise. Baby Brains, Snuggle Bunny, Time For Bed, Go to Fucking Sleep, Sometimes, Freddy the Frog, Are We Nearly There Yet, Baby Badger's Wonderful Night to name a few have all prepared my little one for the joy of reading and are quite wonderful in their own right. Curiously, none of these have been written by a celebrity. This kind of makes one think that more than enough creative and intelligent authors do get stuff published today than the assumptions being cast by some here would suggest. Children with access to such good material don't need daft romanticised pity...

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 11:41:54 AM   
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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 11:42:16 AM   
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Criticise and be cynical about this deal all you like, but let's not make rudimentary false statements about the quality of modern children's literature when the evidence suggests otherwise. Baby Brains, Snuggle Bunny, Time For Bed, Go to Fucking Sleep, Sometimes, Freddy the Frog, Are We Nearly There Yet, Baby Badger's Wonderful Night to name a few have all prepared my little one for the joy of reading and are quite wonderful in their own right. Curiously, none of these have been written by a celebrity.


Is that the prequel to "Haha you pissed the bed you fucking loser"

My kids are too old now, but still enjoy reading. Tracey Beaker stuff was pretty popular with them if I remember rightly, and some other shit I didn't really pay attention to.
One of my friends has bought the David Walliams kid's books for his children, who think they are brilliant. I don't know how true that is, but going on the example of other celebrities, they soon get found out if they're blagging it. Sarah Ferguson's helicoptor shit didn't last long did it?

I think it's the same as anything, whether it be Dan Brown or JK Rowling or Frank Lampard or sodding Playboy. If it encourages kids to read, learn to read, gain knowledge, it's a good thing. It's only literary snobs who turn their noses up at this kind of thing.

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 11:52:51 AM   
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I think it's the same as anything, whether it be Dan Brown or JK Rowling or Frank Lampard or sodding Playboy. If it encourages kids to read, learn to read, gain knowledge, it's a good thing. It's only literary snobs who turn their noses up at this kind of thing.


I found when I was younger that Playboy had a negative effect on my eyesight that made reading much more difficult.

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 11:54:43 AM   
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Sarah Ferguson's helicoptor shit didn't last long did it?



I certainly hope not. Sounds painful.

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 12:25:07 PM   
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This thread is funny. I wouldn't have thought the completely unremarkable occurrence of a celebrity trying their hand at something outside their established field would cause such a fuss.


I can't believe it's got more traffic than my 'Favourite sounding footballer's name' thread.*


*It's still Holger Badstuber

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 12:27:04 PM   
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That's pretty harsh. She has a point - the more mediocre authors are given publishing deals, the more mediocre the available reading material becomes. It's perhaps not quite as relevant to young children's fiction as to adult fiction, given young children's books are much simpler and concerned with teaching kids to read and learn, to absorb and enjoy fiction, but the logic is there. For all we know, Lampard won that contract over a retired school teacher with a specialism in young children's linguistics. It's an extreme example, I know; but who would be more likely to get the deal on merit?



No, not harsh. Steff was using an emotive comment about 'will somebody think of the poor children' to criticise Frank's pending deal. Criticise and be cynical about this deal all you like, but let's not make rudimentary false statements about the quality of modern children's literature when the evidence suggests otherwise. Baby Brains, Snuggle Bunny, Time For Bed, Go to Fucking Sleep, Sometimes, Freddy the Frog, Are We Nearly There Yet, Baby Badger's Wonderful Night to name a few have all prepared my little one for the joy of reading and are quite wonderful in their own right. Curiously, none of these have been written by a celebrity. This kind of makes one think that more than enough creative and intelligent authors do get stuff published today than the assumptions being cast by some here would suggest. Children with access to such good material don't need daft romanticised pity...


Well maybe I was being a tad overdramatic. And of course there are always going to be wonderful books which make it through the net but the fact remains that all authors alike find it extremely hard to get published because the big publishing houses don't want good stories, they want bestsellers. Giving Frank Lampard a publishing deal not on the back of his writing talent (does anyone have any examples?) but on the fact he is an established celebrity who will bring an audience and money with him is pissing all over the hundreds of hard-working authors who never get a look in.

Tell me though, is that your first usage of 'As a parent'? Think we should make a new internet law.

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 12:28:49 PM   
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This thread is funny. I wouldn't have thought the completely unremarkable occurrence of a celebrity trying their hand at something outside their established field would cause such a fuss.


I can't believe it's got more traffic than my 'Favourite sounding footballer's name' thread.*


*It's still Holger Badstuber


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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 2:14:07 PM   
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How do you know he hasn't worked hard at it? You really think someone can just become a good writer "because?"


How do you know he has worked hard at it? You know as little about his writing as I do. Besides, when did I say he hasn't worked hard at it? Where did I say I had a problem with Lampard becoming a good writer if he's worked hard at it? And how do you know he's a good writer? You've no evidence.



Welcome to my world, Rinc.

Fact is, no one knows anything. It is pointless arguing over which supposition is correct; they are both just suppositions!


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Baby Brains, Snuggle Bunny, Time For Bed, Go to Fucking Sleep, Sometimes, Freddy the Frog, Are We Nearly There Yet, Baby Badger's Wonderful Night to name a few have all prepared my little one for the joy of reading and are quite wonderful in their own right. Curiously, none of these have been written by a celebrity.


And there it is.

Look, I can't speak for Steff but I wasn't suggesting that there isn't any good children's fiction out there, or even that most of it is drivel. But the notion perpetuated by some in this thread that Lampard automatically deserves a contract in writing children's fiction based on the fact he has had a successful career as a footballer - a profession that could scarcely be more unrelated - is boggling my mind. You might not need a degree to write fiction, but you still need a lot of skill in that area.

If Lampard turns out to write great kids' books then the contract will be deserved; if he doesn't, it won't. It's really as simple as that!

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 2:32:44 PM   
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How do you know he hasn't worked hard at it? You really think someone can just become a good writer "because?"


How do you know he has worked hard at it? You know as little about his writing as I do. Besides, when did I say he hasn't worked hard at it? Where did I say I had a problem with Lampard becoming a good writer if he's worked hard at it? And how do you know he's a good writer? You've no evidence.

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It's not a ridiculous argument at all, no matter how much you want to twist it into something else.


What am I trying to twist? You said 'Even if they did give him a publishing deal because of who he was, it was a lifetime of dedication and hard work that got him where he is today.' I have problem with that because I don't believe someone deserves success in one field because they've worked hard in another. Otherwise thousands of people across the country, and lots of people here, deserve a publishing deal. I work 45 hours a week and have always worked hard. I've probably been through more hardships than Lampard and have still been dedicated to my work. Does that mean I deserve a book deal?

If you'd said he'd worked at hard at writing whilst being a footballer then that would be ok. But you didn't, so I'm not twisting anything.

My point is to do with him working hard and opening doors for himself, if your job allows you to do the same then yes, why not go for a book deal?

It's not just about writing a great book, you have to get yourself noticed. It's never been different.

Also, is there some kind of scholarship deal going on with publishers that I'm not aware about? How does his publishing deal impact anyone else? "Hey everyone, I've just found the next big thing, bigger than Harry Potter, Twilight, AND Lord of the Rings!"
"Go away Jenkins, you know we've put all our resources into these Frank Lampard books..."

I also don't need evidence to give someone the benefit of the doubt. I happen to think thinking the best in people is a good attribute. There's enough cynicism in this world as it is.

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 2:45:49 PM   
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I think it's the same as anything, whether it be Dan Brown or JK Rowling or Frank Lampard or sodding Playboy. If it encourages kids to read, learn to read, gain knowledge, it's a good thing. It's only literary snobs who turn their noses up at this kind of thing.


I agree that getting kids to read is fantastic and should of course be welcomed and encouraged. But quality is important too - remember that children learn a lot of English through reading. No one would want their child to pick up bad habits that might hinder them later in life because the quality of English being published now comes second to who has written it.

It's also untrue saying only literary snobs object. People are objecting on grounds of fairness and equality in the publishing world, where a page 3 stunna can waltz into a three-book ghostwritten deal and claim she is an author, while the genuinely hard-working and gifted have their unread manuscripts filed in the bin because their names are not already known. If objecting to that makes me a 'literary snob' then fine; I am proud to call myself one.

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 3:07:43 PM   
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It's not just about writing a great book, you have to get yourself noticed. It's never been different.


Say what?!


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Also, is there some kind of scholarship deal going on with publishers that I'm not aware about? How does his publishing deal impact anyone else? "Hey everyone, I've just found the next big thing, bigger than Harry Potter, Twilight, AND Lord of the Rings!"
"Go away Jenkins, you know we've put all our resources into these Frank Lampard books..."


Do you think publishers have infinite resources? Of course they don't. If they are ploughing money into publishing and promoting Lampard's books, that is money that could have gone elsewhere - say, into old Mr Williams' series on teaching kids the basic elements of language in a fun and engaging way. Old Mr Williams is a retired professor of early childhood linguistics, by the way.


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I also don't need evidence to give someone the benefit of the doubt. I happen to think thinking the best in people is a good attribute. There's enough cynicism in this world as it is.


I think others are basing their predictions on observation of Lampard and on celebrity precedents rather than a wishy-washy hope that everything will turn out for the best. That said - and as already stated - it's really pointless making any assumptions!


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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 3:12:51 PM   
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Also, is there some kind of scholarship deal going on with publishers that I'm not aware about? How does his publishing deal impact anyone else? "Hey everyone, I've just found the next big thing, bigger than Harry Potter, Twilight, AND Lord of the Rings!"
"Go away Jenkins, you know we've put all our resources into these Frank Lampard books..."


Hopefully this turns out as SHP (I think) said and his deal opens the door for the publishers to sign more authors. But at the moment he's probably been given that deal over other writers. I know why, because Lampard will make them more money, but that won't make writers who have toiled for years any happier.


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I also don't need evidence to give someone the benefit of the doubt. I happen to think thinking the best in people is a good attribute. There's enough cynicism in this world as it is.


Maybe I am a bit cynical. But then again I did say I'm for anything that gets kids reading. So overall this is a good thing. But then I never said it wasn't. The only problem I have is people suggesting he kind of deserves this because he worked hard in a totally unrelated field. I know it's always been the case that people need to get noticed, I used to work in the media industry where talent is very often overlooked for those that are noticed more. Maybe that's why I'm cynical!

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 3:23:19 PM   
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Didn't Frank lose his father? Maybe that contributed to the publisher's vote of support. Frank told them his story (he can spin a good yarn, our Frank) with Coldplay's 'Fix You' warbling in the background and the judges - sorry, publisher's - were moved to tears. When a loved one dies I am pretty sure you deserve the deal then. Oscar Pistorious is apparently sorting out his own book deal as we speak...

Seriously though, I think it's a pretty cool avenue for Lamps to be heading down actually, and I wish him luck with it (not that he needs it, he's a celeb with a deceased parent; life is on a plate).

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 3:43:24 PM   
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Sarah Ferguson's helicoptor shit didn't last long did it?



I certainly hope not. Sounds painful.


Actually, helicopter shits can be quite amusing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivu5LDQeHJ4

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 3:54:26 PM   
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Didn't Frank lose his father? Maybe that contributed to the publisher's vote of support. Frank told them his story (he can spin a good yarn, our Frank) with Coldplay's 'Fix You' warbling in the background and the judges - sorry, publisher's - were moved to tears. When a loved one dies I am pretty sure you deserve the deal then. Oscar Pistorious is apparently sorting out his own book deal as we speak...

Seriously though, I think it's a pretty cool avenue for Lamps to be heading down actually, and I wish him luck with it (not that he needs it, he's a celeb with a deceased parent; life is on a plate).


No, his mam.

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 3:56:26 PM   
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Didn't Frank lose his father? Maybe that contributed to the publisher's vote of support. Frank told them his story (he can spin a good yarn, our Frank) with Coldplay's 'Fix You' warbling in the background and the judges - sorry, publisher's - were moved to tears. When a loved one dies I am pretty sure you deserve the deal then. Oscar Pistorious is apparently sorting out his own book deal as we speak...

Seriously though, I think it's a pretty cool avenue for Lamps to be heading down actually, and I wish him luck with it (not that he needs it, he's a celeb with a deceased parent; life is on a plate).


No, his mam.


Well this changes everything! Or at least shows by bad memory and poor lack of research.

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 4:11:24 PM   
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It's not just about writing a great book, you have to get yourself noticed. It's never been different.



Well, if getting noticed involves being a major celebrity then where the fuck does that leave the rest of us who are trying but aren't famous? Frankie Lampard gets noticed because he's Frankie Lampard. That's a world away from working a normal 9-5 and then spending the precious spare hours you have writing and submitting to agents and publishers and having the rejection letters pile up. Most sample-chapters and book proposals get binned without even being read. Just getting a foot in the door is nigh impossible. But if you're Lampard and your agent contacts a publisher about a book proposal then he's got their attention straight away. That's a world of difference. That's called preferential treatment. That's called having a special leg-up. The rest of us are trying to sell ourselves on ability alone, we don't have the fame as stilts in order to get our foot in the door that would've been held wide open for Frankie. So we really shouldn't be pretending that Frankie had to prove himself like anybody else. Because that is horseshit. And if it turned out that Frankie wasn't terribly good at writing they'll just get a ghost-writer involved. Either way he's quids in.

But, hey, luckily Frankie's Magic Tackle or whatever it's called is pretty far from the kind of fiction area that I'm trying to penetrate. And yes I know that sounds weird. I'm too old to start a football career to get noticed, though, so maybe I'll just kidnap the members of an online message board, hold them to ransom, and then sell the story.

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 7:22:08 PM   
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Also, is there some kind of scholarship deal going on with publishers that I'm not aware about? How does his publishing deal impact anyone else? "Hey everyone, I've just found the next big thing, bigger than Harry Potter, Twilight, AND Lord of the Rings!"
"Go away Jenkins, you know we've put all our resources into these Frank Lampard books..."


Hopefully this turns out as SHP (I think) said and his deal opens the door for the publishers to sign more authors. But at the moment he's probably been given that deal over other writers. I know why, because Lampard will make them more money, but that won't make writers who have toiled for years any happier.


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I also don't need evidence to give someone the benefit of the doubt. I happen to think thinking the best in people is a good attribute. There's enough cynicism in this world as it is.


Maybe I am a bit cynical. But then again I did say I'm for anything that gets kids reading. So overall this is a good thing. But then I never said it wasn't. The only problem I have is people suggesting he kind of deserves this because he worked hard in a totally unrelated field. I know it's always been the case that people need to get noticed, I used to work in the media industry where talent is very often overlooked for those that are noticed more. Maybe that's why I'm cynical!

I'm happy to just disagree to be honest


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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 7:24:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DancingClown

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It's not just about writing a great book, you have to get yourself noticed. It's never been different.



Well, if getting noticed involves being a major celebrity then where the fuck does that leave the rest of us who are trying but aren't famous? Frankie Lampard gets noticed because he's Frankie Lampard. That's a world away from working a normal 9-5 and then spending the precious spare hours you have writing and submitting to agents and publishers and having the rejection letters pile up. Most sample-chapters and book proposals get binned without even being read. Just getting a foot in the door is nigh impossible. But if you're Lampard and your agent contacts a publisher about a book proposal then he's got their attention straight away. That's a world of difference. That's called preferential treatment. That's called having a special leg-up. The rest of us are trying to sell ourselves on ability alone, we don't have the fame as stilts in order to get our foot in the door that would've been held wide open for Frankie. So we really shouldn't be pretending that Frankie had to prove himself like anybody else. Because that is horseshit. And if it turned out that Frankie wasn't terribly good at writing they'll just get a ghost-writer involved. Either way he's quids in.

But, hey, luckily Frankie's Magic Tackle or whatever it's called is pretty far from the kind of fiction area that I'm trying to penetrate. And yes I know that sounds weird. I'm too old to start a football career to get noticed, though, so maybe I'll just kidnap the members of an online message board, hold them to ransom, and then sell the story.

You can do anything to get noticed though. Send a publisher a book wrapped in plastic baked in a cake, turning up dressed as a wizard, turning up yelling "I love Evil Dead more than Lord of the Rings" etc.

I'm prepared to concede that not everyone shares my view on this, but not that Frank hasn't earned his position of influence. But I'm beginning to think I'm outnumbered here

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 7:25:47 PM   
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This thread is funny. I wouldn't have thought the completely unremarkable occurrence of a celebrity trying their hand at something outside their established field would cause such a fuss.

You really can't predict these things

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 7:41:05 PM   
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I've been considering starting a thread called "Paul Scholes becomes brain surgeon". This thread would state that as Scholes had been successful in one field of life it only seemed reasonable that Holby City Infirmary give him a scalpel and see if he could be a neurosurgeon too. A source at the hospital stating that Scholesie has a high profile, which is more likely to bring rich patients to the hospital and his lack of surgeon training really isn't that important as he's a bright lad who deserves a chance and most of the real surgery will be done by an unnamed Dr anyway.

And after that another thread on Francis Lee, "Can everyone's favourite pie eating diving 70s footballer really make his mark selling bog roll?"


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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 7:50:24 PM   
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I've been considering starting a thread called "Paul Scholes becomes brain surgeon". This thread would state that as Scholes had been successful in one field of life it only seemed reasonable that Holby City Infirmary give him a scalpel and see if he could be a neurosurgeon too. A source at the hospital stating that Scholesie has a high profile, which is more likely to bring rich patients to the hospital and his lack of surgeon training really isn't that important as he's a bright lad who deserves a chance and most of the real surgery will be done by an unnamed Dr anyway.

And after that another thread on Francis Lee, "Can everyone's favourite pie eating diving 70s footballer really make his mark selling bog roll?"




I'd prefer "Andrie Arshavin to become Russian President, Soviet Union restored. Blames meteorite on female driving" tbh.


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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 7:53:58 PM   
Hood_Man


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ORIGINAL: Professor Moriarty

I've been considering starting a thread called "Paul Scholes becomes brain surgeon". This thread would state that as Scholes had been successful in one field of life it only seemed reasonable that Holby City Infirmary give him a scalpel and see if he could be a neurosurgeon too. A source at the hospital stating that Scholesie has a high profile, which is more likely to bring rich patients to the hospital and his lack of surgeon training really isn't that important as he's a bright lad who deserves a chance and most of the real surgery will be done by an unnamed Dr anyway.

And after that another thread on Francis Lee, "Can everyone's favourite pie eating diving 70s footballer really make his mark selling bog roll?"



Will John Terry show up unexpected?

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 7:54:17 PM   
Professor Moriarty

 

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I'd prefer "Andrie Arshavin to become Russian President, Soviet Union restored. Blames meteorite on female driving" tbh.



Di Canio resigned from Swindon to chase dream of becoming Pope?

< Message edited by Professor Moriarty -- 20/2/2013 7:56:37 PM >

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RE: Frank Lampard writes about magic footballs (really) - 20/2/2013 7:58:55 PM   
Deviation


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What Argentina needs right now is Maradona to become general and take the Falklands with his "Hand of God" strategy.

LAS MALVINAS SON DE ARGENTINA!!!111

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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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