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ORIGINAL: Brooksy84

I honestly couldn't give a toss whether it stays or goes. But if the theme here is objectification, perhaps someone should have a word with Heat magazine and the like for putting HUGE FRONT PAGE PHOTOS of female celebrities with a close up of some cellulite/stretch marks/armpit sweat. Surely this is more damaging as far as self image goes than a pretty girl with her boobs out will ever be?

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ORIGINAL: Fanboyslayer

Definitely time for it to go. Should never have been in there in the first place frankly. It's sexist nonsense and has no place in a national newspaper. Lets hope they try replacing it with actual news. There's plenty of places to get your tit fix if needs be no need for it to be in the newspaper. Lets hope they do it at long last.

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ORIGINAL: horribleives
I've noticed that in all the comments from those against Page 3 there's been no mention of the fact that getting rid of it would put people out of work - it's all good and well some Guardian journalist tutting and disapproving but not every young lady has the luxury of a politically correct source of income to put her through university or pay the bills.

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ORIGINAL: horribleives
I've noticed that in all the comments from those against Page 3 there's been no mention of the fact that getting rid of it would put people out of work - it's all good and well some Guardian journalist tutting and disapproving but not every young lady has the luxury of a politically correct source of income to put her through university or pay the bills.

Good point (assuming you're not being sarcastic).

Whilst I'm not defending any of it (if I'm absolutely honest, I couldn't really give a shit if it went or stayed - I've never bought The Sun and never will), but - a mate of mine's sister did some "erotic" photo shoots in the late 90s cos she was broke and couldn't find a job. She was a VERY attractive young woman back then (over 10 years, 2 kids and goddness knows how many thousands of fags later and time has not been so kind to her) and could basically walk into any photo studio and make money. Nothing hardcore (as far as I know), but the stuff apparently ended up in quite a few internationally known titles at the time, and she basically made enough money in the 3 or 4 years she was doing it to buy a house. Unfortunately she didn't buy a house, and just pissed it away on expensive holidays, clothes and drink, but that's not the point.

After all, one would assume these page 3 girls aren't forced into doing it are they? They must be doing it voluntarily, surely?

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It's the same mentality that sees people campaigning to close down lapdancing bars in city centres (there's several where I llive and every year or so the dickheads with placards come out the woodwork), blissfully ignorant that if successful their moral crusade - about somerhing which, like Page 3, can be quite easily ignored - will affect the livelihoods of everyone employed there.
I've always been a lefty but smug liberal outrage doesn't half boil my piss.

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ORIGINAL: horribleives

I've noticed that in all the comments from those against Page 3 there's been no mention of the fact that getting rid of it would put people out of work - it's all good and well some Guardian journalist tutting and disapproving but not every young lady has the luxury of a politically correct source of income to put her through university or pay the bills.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b
You have a nice face, Shifty. A face I would have a cup of tea with.

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ORIGINAL: porntrooper
Shifty said it best

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ORIGINAL: Fanboyslayer

There is nothing offensive about a pair of tits at all its the idea that its some how its okay to pop in a page dedicated to some teenage girls boobs for no reason in a national newspaper. It's a newspaper (I know, I know) not a porn mag. There are plenty of places to look at tits if you fancy it but its got no place in a newspaper. I know its the Sun and from what I've heard today about their current front page covering the recent murder of Reeva Steenkamp I shouldn't expect decency but it just feeds into a bigger attitude about women and their bodies that I don't think is healthy or acceptable. Its got nowt to do with nakedness.

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It's the same mentality that sees people campaigning to close down lapdancing bars in city centres (there's several where I llive and every year or so the dickheads with placards come out the woodwork), blissfully ignorant that if successful their moral crusade - about somerhing which, like Page 3, can be quite easily ignored - will affect the livelihoods of everyone employed there.
I've always been a lefty but smug liberal outrage doesn't half boil my piss.

No it isn't at all. If you want to work in porn then there are plenty of places to do that and I doubt that doing one or two jobs in the Sun is setting you up for life. I would imagine that you are already doing this kind of work elsewhere in general and that is just one gig of many. It doesn't need to be in a national newspaper.

As for lap dancing clubs the reason a lot of people campaign against them is because they bring certain types of men into the area that can in some cases lead to problems. I live in area that has been known for prostitution over the years (thankfully done with now) and as a young girl you would have cars slowly following you down the road waving money etc. Also with that comes drugs. We also had to have curfews on the residential roads because of all the kerb crawlers. They tried to open one here a couple of years ago and people weren't having it. Now I know lap dancing is legal and I have no real problem if that's how people want to entertain themselves or do it for a living but it can bring other things into the area which no one wants and there is nothing smug and liberal about not wanting all that crap to deal with.

No ones (at least I don't think anyone is) is talking about getting rid of porn we're talking about we're talking about removing it from something it has no place in and that is a national newspaper.

As for it being so good for women because they can earn so much money well that's just bloody depressing.

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ORIGINAL: Fanboyslayer
As for lap dancing clubs the reason a lot of people campaign against them is because they bring certain types of men into the area that can in some cases lead to problems. I live in area that has been known for prostitution over the years (thankfully done with now) and as a young girl you would have cars slowly following you down the road waving money etc. Also with that comes drugs. We also had to have curfews on the residential roads because of all the kerb crawlers. They tried to open one here a couple of years ago and people weren't having it. Now I know lap dancing is legal and I have no real problem if that's how people want to entertain themselves or do it for a living but it can bring other things into the area which no one wants and there is nothing smug and liberal about not wanting all that crap to deal with.

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ORIGINAL: Sexual Harassment Panda

This same argument will only ever boil down to the usual "kids could be easily exposed to this as it's easy access in all shops etc"

So I pose the question would you rather a child see a picture of some harmless flesh, or some horrifically violent and gory pictures of some of life's biggest atrocities from wars, to thug/street violence etc?

The problem isn't that of The Sun's or specific to page 3, the issue is the British media are a shameful bunch, who are more interested in the "glamour", "shock" or "one upsman" approach to news telling than the facts and sympathy etc. Take the helicopter crash in London earlier this year, all reports were more interested in having the best pictures of the fireball than they were sympathetic of the fact at least one person had just died.

The media needs a massive shake up in general.

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ORIGINAL: horribleives


Page 3 girls aren't porn stars and just because someone poses topless doesn't mean they do (or want to do) porn.
And I'm not saying Page 3 is some valuable source of income for millions but if someone wants to pursue a career in modelling or even just make a few quid it is an opportunity and, as I said before, as an old school lefty I'm not into denying people opportunities or a means to make a living by doing something relatively harmless just to satisfy the ethics of a bunch of people who don't read The Sun or The Star anyway. I don't read them either hence I'd never suggest it should be stopped as it's quite easy to ignore. As Monstercat said, there's plenty of issues to do with national newspapers that are far more worrying.

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ORIGINAL: horribleives

That's a shame but it's not like that everywhere, and prostitution and lapdancing are two totally separate things. I don't often frequent them myself but I've been to two and there was nowt sleazy or dangerous about them - they were pretty safe, relaxed environments and to be honest, when it comes to unsavoury types and vulnerable girls I'd be far more concerned about what goes on in normal nightclubs on a saturday night.
The people who protested against the ones in Newcastle neither lived near them (I'm fairly certain most hailed from leafy Jesmond) nor cited concerns about an influx of drugs/kerb-crawling - it was a simple ideological objection to something that, like Page 3, didn't concern them and, like the arguments for Page 3 to be stopped, didn't take into account the bigger picture.

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ORIGINAL: horribleives
I've noticed that in all the comments from those against Page 3 there's been no mention of the fact that getting rid of it would put people out of work - it's all good and well some Guardian journalist tutting and disapproving but not every young lady has the luxury of a politically correct source of income to put her through university or pay the bills.

Good point (assuming you're not being sarcastic).

Whilst I'm not defending any of it (if I'm absolutely honest, I couldn't really give a shit if it went or stayed - I've never bought The Sun and never will), but - a mate of mine's sister did some "erotic" photo shoots in the late 90s cos she was broke and couldn't find a job. She was a VERY attractive young woman back then (over 10 years, 2 kids and goddness knows how many thousands of fags later and time has not been so kind to her) and could basically walk into any photo studio and make money. Nothing hardcore (as far as I know), but the stuff apparently ended up in quite a few internationally known titles at the time, and she basically made enough money in the 3 or 4 years she was doing it to buy a house. Unfortunately she didn't buy a house, and just pissed it away on expensive holidays, clothes and drink, but that's not the point.
After all, one would assume these page 3 girls aren't forced into doing it are they? They must be doing it voluntarily, surely?

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ORIGINAL: horribleives

That's a shame but it's not like that everywhere, and prostitution and lapdancing are two totally separate things. I don't often frequent them myself but I've been to two and there was nowt sleazy or dangerous about them - they were pretty safe, relaxed environments and to be honest, when it comes to unsavoury types and vulnerable girls I'd be far more concerned about what goes on in normal nightclubs on a saturday night.
The people who protested against the ones in Newcastle neither lived near them (I'm fairly certain most hailed from leafy Jesmond) nor cited concerns about an influx of drugs/kerb-crawling - it was a simple ideological objection to something that, like Page 3, didn't concern them and, like the arguments for Page 3 to be stopped, didn't take into account the bigger picture.

Of course they are two different things I'm not saying one is the same as the other. Unfortunately it's often the case that where lap dancing goes the other follows. I mean its just good business sense isn't it. If I was a pimp or a prostitute it would make sense to me to go somewhere where they may be some nicely sexied up men that might appreciate some friendly services.

If they object to it on the grounds that they find it goes against what they feel is acceptable I think that's fair enough. I mean isn't that what we all do really. We all have things that we just don't agree with. It might be gambling for some, or drinking, loud music whatever. Some places just don't want strip clubs on their doorstep and having worked in Soho in the past I can quite understand why. I get what your saying live and let live and to an extent I agree but everyone has the right to express how they feel and maybe they have a good case. I mean just because it may seem prudish doesn't always mean that they're wrong and there aren't some valid points to be taken into account.

As you say normal nightclub nights can hold far more dangers for girls and unfortunately I can attest to that myself. However I believe seemingly harmless things like a nice pair of tits in the newspaper contribute to some of the attitudes towards women that you see on the usual Saturday night crazyness. By no means wholly to blame don't get me wrong but it all drips into certain ideas and behaviours directed towards women that are harmful.

Now I must go put my feet up and watch the Avengers