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ORIGINAL: Keyser Sozzled

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ORIGINAL: My name is Legion

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ORIGINAL: AxlReznor

Oh no's! Not much swearing! They've ruined it forever! /end sarcasm

I've never understood people's obsession with judging the quality of a film based on the BBFC rating it's gotten.

I detest these kind of comments, as they only go one way. They always take the piss out of people who are disappointed with action franchises being watered down.

Why don't we flip this 'round?

Star Wars: Episode VII is rated a very hard 18. Luke is now insane, he kills anyone in his path, all shown in gory detail. He then thinks {we hear his inner monologue} "That cunt, cocktease Leia, flirting, kissing me then marrying that fuck Solo". He then visits their home, butchers Solo, and rapes his sister in a 20 minute unbroken take. Then chops her into pieces with his Lightsaber. We hold for five minutes as he stands over her decimated body. His cock is still hanging out.

How does that sound? Anyone think it's fine to completely alienate the core audience for that particular franchise?

Would watch again.

3/5

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze
Mattyb is a shining example of what the perfect Empire Forum member is.

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ORIGINAL: My name is Legion

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ORIGINAL: AxlReznor

Oh no's! Not much swearing! They've ruined it forever! /end sarcasm

I've never understood people's obsession with judging the quality of a film based on the BBFC rating it's gotten.

I detest these kind of comments, as they only go one way. They always take the piss out of people who are disappointed with action franchises being watered down.

Why don't we flip this 'round?

Star Wars: Episode VII is rated a very hard 18. Luke is now insane, he kills anyone in his path, all shown in gory detail. He then thinks {we hear his inner monologue} "That cunt, cocktease Leia, flirting, kissing me then marrying that fuck Solo". He then visits their home, butchers Solo, and rapes his sister in a 20 minute unbroken take. Then chops her into pieces with his Lightsaber. We hold for five minutes as he stands over her decimated body. His cock is still hanging out.

How does that sound? Anyone think it's fine to completely alienate the core audience for that particular franchise?

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ORIGINAL: My name is Legion

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ORIGINAL: AxlReznor

Oh no's! Not much swearing! They've ruined it forever! /end sarcasm

I've never understood people's obsession with judging the quality of a film based on the BBFC rating it's gotten.

I detest these kind of comments, as they only go one way. They always take the piss out of people who are disappointed with action franchises being watered down.

Why don't we flip this 'round?

Star Wars: Episode VII is rated a very hard 18. Luke is now insane, he kills anyone in his path, all shown in gory detail. He then thinks {we hear his inner monologue} "That cunt, cocktease Leia, flirting, kissing me then marrying that fuck Solo". He then visits their home, butchers Solo, and rapes his sister in a 20 minute unbroken take. Then chops her into pieces with his Lightsaber. We hold for five minutes as he stands over her decimated body. His cock is still hanging out.

How does that sound? Anyone think it's fine to completely alienate the core audience for that particular franchise?

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

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ORIGINAL: Drooch

What's to 'destroy'? This is a discussion about the BBFC and why the UK ends up with cut versions when other similar countries don't. If I've been 'destroyed' I really haven't noticed. You seem to be mistaking this for some kind of war zone, why?

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ORIGINAL: Drooch

Absolute DISGRACE. I hope many of you will join me in boycotting this atrocity. I'm trying very hard to avoid piracy but Fox are forcing UK viewers to avoid censored kiddy crap the only way we know with this cynical, audience-hating move.

now I'm forced to reimplement the boycott.

Fox have raped McClane's corpse with this despicable move. Oh, and the BBFC can go fuck themselves for failing to allow adults access to uncensored material.

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ORIGINAL: Drooch

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

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ORIGINAL: Drooch

What's to 'destroy'? This is a discussion about the BBFC and why the UK ends up with cut versions when other similar countries don't. If I've been 'destroyed' I really haven't noticed. You seem to be mistaking this for some kind of war zone, why?

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ORIGINAL: Drooch

Absolute DISGRACE. I hope many of you will join me in boycotting this atrocity. I'm trying very hard to avoid piracy but Fox are forcing UK viewers to avoid censored kiddy crap the only way we know with this cynical, audience-hating move.

now I'm forced to reimplement the boycott.

Fox have raped McClane's corpse with this despicable move. Oh, and the BBFC can go fuck themselves for failing to allow adults access to uncensored material.

Firstly, you've butchered what I originally wrote in order to have it fit your agenda. Try it again without the intellectual dishonesty. Fucking liar.

Secondly, the 'war zone' comment was directed at a user who dropped in and launched a torrent of personal abuse at another user without contributing anything useful to the discussion at hand. In your desperation to manufacture some fake hypocrisy on my part, you've tried to reframe it to make it include my hostile comments towards the BBFC, an organisation that has no presence in this 'zone' and that has been complicit in the censorship of a new film. Try again without the semantic dishonesty.

If you're going to be so smug as to try and use my words against me, then try it without altering what I said. All you've done is embarrass yourself and show yourself up as coward and liar.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze
Mattyb is a shining example of what the perfect Empire Forum member is.

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ORIGINAL: Drooch

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

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ORIGINAL: Drooch

What's to 'destroy'? This is a discussion about the BBFC and why the UK ends up with cut versions when other similar countries don't. If I've been 'destroyed' I really haven't noticed. You seem to be mistaking this for some kind of war zone, why?

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ORIGINAL: Drooch

Absolute DISGRACE. I hope many of you will join me in boycotting this atrocity. I'm trying very hard to avoid piracy but Fox are forcing UK viewers to avoid censored kiddy crap the only way we know with this cynical, audience-hating move.

now I'm forced to reimplement the boycott.

Fox have raped McClane's corpse with this despicable move. Oh, and the BBFC can go fuck themselves for failing to allow adults access to uncensored material.

Firstly, you've butchered what I originally wrote in order to have it fit your agenda. Try it again without the intellectual dishonesty. Fucking liar.

Secondly, the 'war zone' comment was directed at a user who dropped in and launched a torrent of personal abuse at another user without contributing anything useful to the discussion at hand. In your desperation to manufacture some fake hypocrisy on my part, you've tried to reframe it to make it include my hostile comments towards the BBFC, an organisation that has no presence in this 'zone' and that has been complicit in the censorship of a new film. Try again without the semantic dishonesty.

If you're going to be so smug as to try and use my words against me, then try it without altering what I said. All you've done is embarrass yourself and show yourself up as coward and liar.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I would plough my way through MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I desire MonsterCat to go down on me.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

But you're right, I'm such an embarrassment. My parents are probably weeping as I type this. Well, I know my mum is, she's read what people have written about her on here.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I would plough my way through MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I desire MonsterCat to go down on me.

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ORIGINAL: rawlinson

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

But you're right, I'm such an embarrassment. My parents are probably weeping as I type this. Well, I know my mum is, she's read what people have written about her on here.

Not going to ask where she's weeping from.

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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

All joking aside, what is that makes Die Hard such a great film? Is it the fact that it has McClane smoking fools with a machine gun and there's blood all over the place and Willis says fuck and motherfucker? No, it's the well written script, McTiernan's tight direction, Rickman's delicious villainy and a winning performance from Willis. McTiernan could have made that film with much tighter constraints in terms of violence and it still would still be awesome.

Fuck, any bullshit action flick can have tons of violence in it and it would still suck. Look at The Expendables for instance. Or rather don't, because you'll slip into a coma from the sheer boredom and die.

The nature of the violence and the language used is immaterial. The important factor is whether Moore bothered to make a decent movie as a opposed to a cynical cash-grab.

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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

The last line in Drooch's post is quite funny if you read it in a haughty English accent and then add "I challenge you to a duel, you blaggard. Pistols at dawn!"

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ORIGINAL: Drooch

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

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ORIGINAL: Drooch

What's to 'destroy'? This is a discussion about the BBFC and why the UK ends up with cut versions when other similar countries don't. If I've been 'destroyed' I really haven't noticed. You seem to be mistaking this for some kind of war zone, why?

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ORIGINAL: Drooch

Absolute DISGRACE. I hope many of you will join me in boycotting this atrocity. I'm trying very hard to avoid piracy but Fox are forcing UK viewers to avoid censored kiddy crap the only way we know with this cynical, audience-hating move.

now I'm forced to reimplement the boycott.

Fox have raped McClane's corpse with this despicable move. Oh, and the BBFC can go fuck themselves for failing to allow adults access to uncensored material.

Firstly, you've butchered what I originally wrote in order to have it fit your agenda. Try it again without the intellectual dishonesty. Fucking liar.

Secondly, the 'war zone' comment was directed at a user who dropped in and launched a torrent of personal abuse at another user without contributing anything useful to the discussion at hand. In your desperation to manufacture some fake hypocrisy on my part, you've tried to reframe it to make it include my hostile comments towards the BBFC, an organisation that has no presence in this 'zone' and that has been complicit in the censorship of a new film. Try again without the semantic dishonesty.

If you're going to be so smug as to try and use my words against me, then try it without altering what I said. All you've done is embarrass yourself and show yourself up as coward and liar.

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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

The last line in Drooch's post is quite funny if you read it in a haughty English accent and then add "I challenge you to a duel, you blaggard. Pistols at dawn!"

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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

Actually, Matty is an uncouth scumbag.

Runs in the family apparently.

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ORIGINAL: rawlinson

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

But you're right, I'm such an embarrassment. My parents are probably weeping as I type this. Well, I know my mum is, she's read what people have written about her on here.

Not going to ask where she's weeping from.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze
Mattyb is a shining example of what the perfect Empire Forum member is.

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ORIGINAL: Discodez

Point one: Have click around the article and you'll see the rules and regulations for different countries, the article states quite clearly that major studios submit different edits of the same film to different countries allowing for local laws and sensibilities. However have a look here (banned films) and you'll see, for example that Saw 3D was initially banned in Germany but was later made available in an edited version.

by the way, this is the first and last time I will do your research for you.

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Point two: If you are not disputing this is how the BBFC works then what are you actually saying? why are you so against the BBFC and how come you agreed so wholeheartedly with "peter" above (by the way, i think he was taking the piss out of you, not agreeing with you, have a read again), or was this a sarcastic double bluff?

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Point 3: I'm telling you this because you seem to have gotten yourself into a major tizzy because the BBFC have given the new Die Hard film a 12a rating. This is the fault of the studio wanting a 12a certificate, not the BBFC telling the studio that this is the only acceptable certification and the only acceptable cut of the film that will be shown in the UK.

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A child could debate than you.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze
Mattyb is a shining example of what the perfect Empire Forum member is.

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ORIGINAL: Drooch


Err, if you're going to say I'm 'wrong, wrong and wrong-diddly-wrong-wrong' then the onus is on you to back that up. All you've done is throw some document at me and expect me to find your evidence in it, and then have the gall to suggest that you're doing my research for me. A child could debate than you. Come back when you've found your supporting evidence.

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ORIGINAL: Drooch

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ORIGINAL: Discodez

Point one: Have click around the article and you'll see the rules and regulations for different countries, the article states quite clearly that major studios submit different edits of the same film to different countries allowing for local laws and sensibilities. However have a look here (banned films) and you'll see, for example that Saw 3D was initially banned in Germany but was later made available in an edited version.

by the way, this is the first and last time I will do your research for you.

Err, if you're going to say I'm 'wrong, wrong and wrong-diddly-wrong-wrong' then the onus is on you to back that up. All you've done is throw some document at me and expect me to find your evidence in it, and then have the gall to suggest that you're doing my research for me. A child could debate than you. Come back when you've found your supporting evidence.

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ORIGINAL: AxlReznor

When people have called out trolls before, the moderators have informed us that we should instead report the offending posts to them so they can do something about it.
Considering doing the right thing seems to have led to no response, then...

For God's sake, shut up, fucking troll!!! I've been very patient so far, but your continued insistence that anyone who backs up their arguments with actual reasoned debates are just attacking you, whilst you yourself are calling people "cowards", "fucking liars" amongst many other things have made me lose my patience. Fuck off... seriously. There's no point continuing this debate if you're just going to keep on acting like a spoilt little bitch! FUCK OFF!

And thus marks the first time I've actually lost my temper on here.

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ORIGINAL: Dannybohy

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ORIGINAL: AxlReznor

When people have called out trolls before, the moderators have informed us that we should instead report the offending posts to them so they can do something about it.
Considering doing the right thing seems to have led to no response, then...

For God's sake, shut up, fucking troll!!! I've been very patient so far, but your continued insistence that anyone who backs up their arguments with actual reasoned debates are just attacking you, whilst you yourself are calling people "cowards", "fucking liars" amongst many other things have made me lose my patience. Fuck off... seriously. There's no point continuing this debate if you're just going to keep on acting like a spoilt little bitch! FUCK OFF!

And thus marks the first time I've actually lost my temper on here.

Thats it! I'm telling!!. You should be R-rated

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ORIGINAL: Cloud Cuckoo

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

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ORIGINAL: Drooch

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ORIGINAL: Cloud Cuckoo
You keep blaming the BBFC for cuts made to Die Hard 5 and other films. Literally everyone else who has commented has said that this is wrong and that the BBFC are not culpable; it is the grasping studios who make the cuts in order to squeeze more money out of their films.

Every time someone points this out, you reply with the same arguments as before, except you start highlighting chunks of text in bold as if this is going to make them more pertinent. This has been going on for pages now. You seem utterly convinced of your rectitude despite the fact not one single person has agreed with you and everyone thinks you are a) overreacting, and b) inherently wrong.

Instead of stopping to consider this, you come back again, seemingly blind to the reasoned argument and logic presented to you.

Now, why would a person continue to debate a point with someone who has shown themselves to be indefatigably unreasonable and beyond logic? Well, they wouldn't.

No. Other posters have repeatedly dodged why other countries in the 'free' world don't end up with cinemas littered with cut films, so I'll repeat myself until they do, assuming they're genuinely interested in this discussion.

Generalised responses, personal attacks and butt-hurt wailing don't compensate for a proper response. It's a shame you've chosen to be a smug prick instead of engage in the discussion.

Oh, irony. Sweet irony.

Amusing, isn't it?

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There was no personal attack, Drooch, only an observation of the events of this thread. But thank you for calling me a "smug prick" and further supporting my point that your responses are irrational and unreasonable. I can now add 'childish' and 'offensive'.

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I explained at the very beginning of my post why I wasn't getting involved, but you have conveniently edited that out of the quote. I must say, I'm impressed you even noticed it as you seem otherwise incapable of absorbing information.

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Hilarious that this debate is still going on. Given your bloody-minded stubbornness I'll look forward to seeing it in Mammoth Threads.

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ORIGINAL: AxlReznor

For God's sake, shut up, fucking troll!!! I've been very patient so far, but your continued insistence that anyone who backs up their arguments with actual reasoned debates are just attacking you, whilst you yourself are calling people "cowards", "fucking liars" amongst many other things have made me lose my patience. Fuck off... seriously. There's no point continuing this debate if you're just going to keep on acting like a spoilt little bitch! FUCK OFF!

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ORIGINAL: Cloud Cuckoo

Matty_b is a smug fucking liar? What a dream match for this smug prick!

Seriously Drooch, lay off the puerile insults and attacks. It's doing absolutely nothing to aid your argument - quite the opposite; adults only resort to playground name calling when they are defeated.

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ORIGINAL: Drooch

I was incredibly generous in describing you as a smug prick.

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Can you tell me a piece of information that I apparently haven't absorbed?

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ORIGINAL: AxlReznor

Watchmen only just managed to scrape a profit... it cost $130 million and made $185 million, so it wasn't a flop, but I'm pretty sure Warners would have been pretty disappointed with only making $55 million out of it.

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ORIGINAL: My name is Legion

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ORIGINAL: AxlReznor

Watchmen only just managed to scrape a profit... it cost $130 million and made $185 million, so it wasn't a flop, but I'm pretty sure Warners would have been pretty disappointed with only making $55 million out of it.

If you genuinely think that they made a $55 million profit from Watchmen at the BO, then you shouldn't be commenting on anything regarding the business side of film.