joepeterwilson
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Absolute DISGRACE. I hope many of you will join me in boycotting this atrocity. I'm trying very hard to avoid piracy but Fox are forcing UK viewers to avoid censored kiddy crap the only way we know with this cynical, audience-hating move.
DH4 was an offence to the excellent Die Hard Trilogy, and this looks set to be as bad, possibly worse (the UK version at least). This project was doomed the moment John Moore and Skip Woods signed on to a Rothman project, but I was prepared to reward Fox for going R rated by buying a ticket and encouraging other folk to join me in doing so, now I'm forced to reimplement the boycott.
What a shame. Yep, gonna have to go there - Fox have raped McClane's corpse with this despicable move. Oh, and the BBFC can go fuck themselves for failing to allow adults access to uncensored material. They claim they strive to 'balance freedom of expression with the possibility of harm' well the balance is horribly in favour of the latter. If they were serious about this they'd release an uncut version for adults, as a mandatory way of preserving freedom of expression, and whatever butchered version they want kiddies to placate the greedy, but misguided, studio. But I guess it comes down to who's buttering their bread - and it sure ain't the British public they supposedly exist to serve...
Fox asked the BBFC for advice in terms of cuts, the BBFC advised them what they need to do and Fox did it. I don't think the BBFC can be held accountable for this.
Stop UNFAIRLY PUNISHING the BBFC, bro.
The studio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict guidelines and willingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC.
In what way am I 'UNFAIRLY PUNISHING' the BBFC?
What part are you having trouble understanding? The BBFC have said that based on what they saw, the film was likely to earn a 15 certificate. Fox asked what they should cut in order to attain a 12A rating and BBFC gave them a list of what would need to be cut in order to get the rating desired by Fox. The film wasn't officially submitted to the BBFC until the 12A cut was done, and they then gave the rating. Although the BBFC have had some questionable decisions in the past, this is most certainly not one of them. BBFC aren't bending over for studios - in fact, Fox is bending over for BBFC if anything. The US don't get a butchered version because they've got the R rating. Do you have any idea how hard it would be to introduce the same ratings system over here? I've worked in cinemas for nearly 6 years now and people are still struggling to understand the 12A certificate!
Don't hate on the BBFC for this - not their fault whatsoever. It is entirely Fox and Moore's decision.
What you're not understanding is that the studio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelines and willingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC.
The BBFC's guidelines aren't ridiculously strict or arbritary at all. They have a very clear list of guidelines that very rarely changes... that's the opposite of arbritary. And out of the world's rating boards, the BBFC is actually one of the least strict, as has already been pointed out to you by someone you obviously didn't read.
The most surprising thing about this, is that they were okay with an R rating from the MPAA, when they are ridiculously strict.
I understand Fox are CHOOSING to censor their film within the BBFC's guidelines, but BBFC really don't bend over for studios. It's quite the opposite. The studios are happy to cut for a lower certificate. There'd be no benefit to BBFC bending over for studios - they'd get nothing out of it! Studios have everything to gain for falling within the guidelines. If you think BBFC is bad, I urge you to watch THIS FILM IS NOT YET RATED. The MPAA are horrible and make very little sense, but we've actually got a great ratings board. I think a lot of people are still hung up over the whole video nasty thing. It was handled terribly but they've come leaps and bounds since then.
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