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RE: Reviews - 13/2/2013 8:33:19 PM   
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Having been subjected to a bowl cut like that, it would not surprise me if McClane Jr was the villain in this film.


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RE: Reviews - 13/2/2013 10:11:25 PM   
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5 stars?! wow i did not see that one coming

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ?????? - 13/2/2013 11:25:25 PM   
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Strange, considering I haven't been offline in ages (though I have been attempting to ignore this thread).
In answer to your questions, obviously not to the first two, to the third one, theatres show movies because without them there business would be a bit slow... I'd've thought they'd have to pay for prints of the film and not the other way around, considering they make their money from a portion of ticket sales.

Either way, I'm not taking that into account... they made a profit on the film, and it's not my consideration that they'd already spent that money elsewhere.


"In answer to your questions, obviously not to the first two," Correct, and this stuff ain't cheap for a film of that scale.

"they make their money from a portion of ticket sales." Correct, and they take a pretty big chuck of the GROSS profit, less so the longer the film is showing.

"Either way, I'm not taking that into account... they made a profit on the film, and it's not my consideration that they'd already spent that money elsewhere." Ah, you were doing so well then simply dismissed all logic.

Obviously the Mods don't want us arguing, so I'll keep this brief. The very basic rule is that a film has to GROSS twice it's budget at the BO to break even, Watchmen clearly didn't, therefore it did not make a profit, it lost money. With home video sales, TV deals and such it may well have broken even by now, however that isn't the issue we were discussing.

I'll leave it there.

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ?????? - 13/2/2013 11:52:45 PM   
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Well I think I'll still enjoy this (IMAX booked) although I am a tad irritated at the change of rating solely for us. It's the studio trying to take advantage of the school's being off nothing more.

That is pretty desperate and reek's of the studio trying to shore up the losses on a expensive turkey. Why they'd appoint a poor director/writer combo then panic when they create a turd is the question I'd like to know the answer of.



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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ?????? - 14/2/2013 3:48:44 AM   
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The Empire review is in, can you believe it got five stars??? *coughminusthreecough*

A BAD DAY TO DIE HARD

Looks fucking abysmal, post and pre cuts. Some blood and sweary words shall not this turkey save.

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ?????? - 14/2/2013 11:16:35 AM   
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The Empire review is in, can you believe it got five stars??? *coughminusthreecough*

A BAD DAY TO DIE HARD

Looks fucking abysmal, post and pre cuts. Some blood and sweary words shall not this turkey save.



That's true but I get the feeling had it been an 18 it would still attract more attention crap or not. No one is gonna be bothered in the UK now with poor reviews AND a 12A rating, like I said before what's the point of seeing a Die Hard film like this?.

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ?????? - 14/2/2013 11:28:15 AM   
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That's true but I get the feeling had it been an 18 it would still attract more attention crap or not. No one is gonna be bothered in the UK now with poor reviews AND a 12A rating, like I said before what's the point of seeing a Die Hard film like this?.


You're a bit obsessed with this whole 'action films should be an 18' thing. Only one of the Die Hard films is rated 18 now as the original was downgraded to a 15 (as were the first two Lethal Weapons). You can get away with a lot in a 15 these days, making something an 18 doesn't automatically make the film any better.

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ?????? - 14/2/2013 11:35:49 AM   
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I would argue that passing off some piece of half-baked crap is more of a slap in the face for the franchise and the fans. Which unfortunately seems to be the case here.

Like I said up top, the 12A doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ?????? - 14/2/2013 11:42:29 AM   
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Like I said up top, the 12A doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.


If the film had been shot as a 12A and was the same version that the US is getting, it wouldn't bother me. It's the fact that we're getting a heavily censored version that does.


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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ?????? - 14/2/2013 11:44:36 AM   
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I agree with you all but I just feel an 18 cert would simply gain more interest from everyone, it just looks better haha.

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ?????? - 14/2/2013 1:50:43 PM   
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We're hearing you loud and clear, Drooch, but you're still wrong.

The BBFC can't tell a studio not to cut their films.


Great, now answer this question:

Why are you absolving the BBFC of blame, and why do you think the UK ends up with such a comparatively huge list of butchered films? Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere?




Holy crap.

The UK no longer has a huge list of butchered films. We used to but the BBFC have changed a lot of their guidelines so many of those films from the 80s and 90s are uncut now.



Yes, the BBFC is much better than it was, and went through something of a golden age in the 2000's, but this decade has seen a slide back towards the scissor happy days of old. There are still far too many films coming through with butchered cinema versions:

Die Hard 5
Taken 2
Jack Reacher
The Woman in Black
The Expendables
The Hunger Games
Savages
The Inbetweeners Movie
The Three Stooges
The Knot
Now Is Good
The Cold Light Of Day
Twilight: Breaking Dawn, Part 1

My point being that other western countries don't have to put up with a cinema full of patronisingly butchered versions. The difference between them and us? The BBFC.

While the BBFC are not snipping films themselves, they are indirectly responsible for all of this by being happy to cater for greedy, audience-hating studios by offering cuts advice to those studios and failing to uphold freedom of expression by not forcing mandatory uncut versions for adults, which should be available on principle. As a cinephile I have absolutely no interest in watching neutered material. Other countries simply classify films and don't start colluding with the studios to create these mutated, ball-less versions. Slap a certificate on the film and go home, job done, stop fucking around with our films.



Apart from a certain slasher sequel that came out last year and was basically the original with it's bollocks cut off?


If you're referring to Scream 4, that film was easily the most graphically violent of the series, to suggest that it had its 'bollocks cut off' in comparison with the much tamer original is gobsmackingly ignorant. What a stupid thing to say.



(Off-Topic) Who said anything about the violence? I was referring to the fact that the fourth Scream film had none of the wit, invention or suspense of the original. It was also a bloody joke but you don't really do light-hearted, do you?

As for Die Hard 5, while the 12a thing is annoying, it sounds like the film would've been an absolute dog regardless of certificate.

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RE: Die Hard 5 Earns 12A UK Rating - 14/2/2013 5:08:36 PM   
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Got this email from the BBFC.

Thank you for your email and bringing this matter to our attention.

People are, of course, entitled to their opinions. We have provided clear information about our classification of A GOOD DAY TO DIE HARD, including about the precuts, on our website. I enclose the relevant link below -

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/good-day-die-hard-2013-5

You may wish to refer Drooch to this page.

Yours sincerely,


J L Green
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Somehow I doubt Drooch will take this on board, but still...

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RE: Die Hard 5 Earns 12A UK Rating - 14/2/2013 5:28:12 PM   
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You actually mentioned Drooch by 'name'? Bet the BBFC never thought they'd have to type that word in their lifetime.

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RE: Die Hard 5 Earns 12A UK Rating - 14/2/2013 5:51:18 PM   
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You actually mentioned Drooch by 'name'? Bet the BBFC never thought they'd have to type that word in their lifetime.


They may start using it as shorthand for certain other words now...

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ?????? - 14/2/2013 7:37:30 PM   
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That's true but I get the feeling had it been an 18 it would still attract more attention crap or not. No one is gonna be bothered in the UK now with poor reviews AND a 12A rating, like I said before what's the point of seeing a Die Hard film like this?.


What's the point in seeing a Die Hard film that's rated 18 and like this? Like Shifty said, you seem a little preoccupied with action films requiring an 18 certificate; that's not going to magically make them any better. If a film is keech then it's keech, irrespective of its rating.


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Got this email from the BBFC.

Thank you for your email and bringing this matter to our attention.

People are, of course, entitled to their opinions. We have provided clear information about our classification of A GOOD DAY TO DIE HARD, including about the precuts, on our website. I enclose the relevant link below -

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/good-day-die-hard-2013-5

You may wish to refer Drooch to this page.

Yours £sincerely,


J L Green
Chief Assistant (Policy)


Somehow I doubt Drooch will take this on board, but still...


Absolutely phenomenal.

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ?????? - 14/2/2013 8:07:51 PM   
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That's true but I get the feeling had it been an 18 it would still attract more attention crap or not. No one is gonna be bothered in the UK now with poor reviews AND a 12A rating, like I said before what's the point of seeing a Die Hard film like this?.


What's the point in seeing a Die Hard film that's rated 18 and like this? Like Shifty said, you seem a little preoccupied with action films requiring an 18 certificate; that's not going to magically make them any better. If a film is keech then it's keech, irrespective of its rating.


High five, sister!


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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ?????? - 14/2/2013 8:17:06 PM   
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That's true but I get the feeling had it been an 18 it would still attract more attention crap or not. No one is gonna be bothered in the UK now with poor reviews AND a 12A rating, like I said before what's the point of seeing a Die Hard film like this?.


What's the point in seeing a Die Hard film that's rated 18 and like this? Like Shifty said, you seem a little preoccupied with action films requiring an 18 certificate; that's not going to magically make them any better. If a film is keech then it's keech, irrespective of its rating.


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RE: Reviews - 15/2/2013 1:47:25 AM   
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Yes yes I know this -_- what I mean is for a franchise like Die Hard that kind of rating just doesn't cut the mustard with the hardcore fans, the loyal fans, plus (as has been proved) I really can't see how a 12A Die Hard could be any good. Look at the kiddie 'Robocop 3' back in the day, the childish 'Terminator 3', the recent 'Total Recall' remake etc...a child rating for a known adult franchise just doesn't work and I'm reasonably positive the new 'Robocop' film will be the same. Loyal adult fans will look at a rating for certain films and pass it by if its not for adults, especially these days with most modern films known to be poor, many have learnt their lessons now.

If the new Robo is anything less than an 18 rating here in the UK I won't go, simple as that. Robo isn't for kids and it won't be a good flick if its watered down, and yes if its less than an 18 it WILL be watered down.

The old Die Hard films and Lethal Weapon etc...might be only 15 ratings now but back in the day they were made as adult films. I'm sure there are adult films these days that will be brought down in another 30yrs or so, but the fact is they were made and intended to be adult films in their time, their time of release.

I'm still amazed we get 18 rated horror films still because most actions films just aren't anymore. I think they are afraid to give 18 certs, even 'Gangster Squad' is 15 and that is highly violent! its bizarre.

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RE: Reviews - 15/2/2013 2:17:43 AM   
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Anybody who thinks that a certificate has any bearing on the film's overall quality is just plain wrong. Wrong, wrong, diddly diddly wrong.

DH5 could rival A Serbian Film in terms of on-screen violence and the consensus would still be that it's a total dog's dinner.

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RE: Reviews - 15/2/2013 3:02:02 AM   
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Yes yes I know this -_- what I mean is for a franchise like Die Hard that kind of rating just doesn't cut the mustard with the hardcore fans, the loyal fans, plus (as has been proved) I really can't see how a 12A Die Hard could be any good. Look at the kiddie 'Robocop 3' back in the day, the childish 'Terminator 3', the recent 'Total Recall' remake etc...a child rating for a known adult franchise just doesn't work and I'm reasonably positive the new 'Robocop' film will be the same. Loyal adult fans will look at a rating for certain films and pass it by if its not for adults, especially these days with most modern films known to be poor, many have learnt their lessons now.

I'm a hardcore Die Hard fan! I love that movie to death, it's in my top ten but if it was made to be a 12A and not cut to be a 12A, it wouldn't really bother me. I'm not angry at the certificate, I'm angry at what they did to it to get the certificate. Also, you think because the film is a 12A is why people are saying it sucks gonads? It is rated R in the US and it's still getting torn to shreds over there. 12A or 15, cut or uncut, it is (apparently) a piece of crap. Oh and Terminator 3 was rated R in the US.

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If the new Robo is anything less than an 18 rating here in the UK I won't go, simple as that. Robo isn't for kids and it won't be a good flick if its watered down, and yes if its less than an 18 it WILL be watered down.

It won't be an 18, that's for damn sure. If it's rated R (which I doubt) it'll be a 15. In fact, it may be 15 even if it's PG-13.

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The old Die Hard films and Lethal Weapon etc...might be only 15 ratings now but back in the day they were made as adult films. I'm sure there are adult films these days that will be brought down in another 30yrs or so, but the fact is they were made and intended to be adult films in their time, their time of release.

I still think this is a pretty weird view-point, times have changed and things that were once considered too violent are getting more acceptable. Headbutts for example, used to be cut out of even 15s but are now allowed in PGs. Don't you think it is great that a film like Die Hard with its brains hitting a glass doorand Lethal Weapon 2 with a scene that was once edited out from the 18 version are now rated 15? I do, it's awesome. Also, you keep using the term 'adult' which makes me think of porn.

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I'm still amazed we get 18 rated horror films still because most actions films just aren't anymore. I think they are afraid to give 18 certs, even 'Gangster Squad' is 15 and that is highly violent! its bizarre.


But isn't this a good thing????? It means the BBFC are getting more lenient with their ratings, It's why De Hard 5 has four used of the f-word in it. Again, your logic is slightly baffling. You are complaining that a violent film has been given a 15? If they gave it an 18, it would still be same film, absolutely nothing would be different. The BBFC don't sit around conjuring up new ways to piss action fans off, they study every single film very carefully with their wee checklist and go over every film with a fine tooth comb. And again, standards have changed and I think it is actually great that a film has to try hard to be an 18 these days. Dredd was relentless in its violence and got an 18 and while it was admittedly refreshing to see it get such a rating, when an action film gets a lower one, I won't lose sleep over it.

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RE: Reviews - 15/2/2013 3:27:40 AM   
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Well sure the rating of 'Dredd' or 'Gangster Squad' doesn't bother me per say but it might do if I were a parent. 'GS' shouldn't really be a 15 rating I was surprised, but the fact that the BBFC is seemingly being more easy doesn't effect me as an adult without kids.

What annoys me is the rating of already established violent grown up films getting modern day kiddie ratings, because they won't and can't be the same standard. Even if they are 'good' films it won't be the same as an all out grown up film. What's with this new thing where they add in CGI blood afterwards to the DVD release and claim its an 'uncut' version and 18 or whatever....utter nonsense, pathetic.

'Robocop' is no way for anyone under 18 and that's why its so good, there are/were no restrictions for it. The new film is being aimed for a universal audience which means it just won't be as good because it will have restrictions, it will have to. It will probably be just another 'Iron Man' type clone with tonnes of CGI, car chases and explosions...just like the new Die Hard so I've heard.

One thing about the original Robo that was so god damn cool was Verhoeven's outrageous bloody squib hits same with his 'Recall', it was ballistic and over the top but fantastic. The other thing was 'Clarence Boddicker' and his gang being such evil nasty sadistic shits, things like this you just won't get in any of these modern films...even 'Dredd'.

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RE: Reviews - 15/2/2013 4:14:58 AM   
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Well sure the rating of 'Dredd' or 'Gangster Squad' doesn't bother me per say but it might do if I were a parent. 'GS' shouldn't really be a 15 rating I was surprised, but the fact that the BBFC is seemingly being more easy doesn't effect me as an adult without kids.


There's no 'seemingly' about it dude, they actually are. Gangster Squad getting a 15 and previous 18s getting 15s are proof of that. As is the fact that films like Under Siege 2 which was cut a lot back in the day is also available uncut. It'll keep happening, it's just a a matter of them being resubmitted to the BBFC.

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What annoys me is the rating of already established violent grown up films getting modern day kiddie ratings, because they won't and can't be the same standard. Even if they are 'good' films it won't be the same as an all out grown up film. What's with this new thing where they add in CGI blood afterwards to the DVD release and claim its an 'uncut' version and 18 or whatever....utter nonsense, pathetic.


Well, the good thing is, that won't happen to Die Hard 5 as it is already violent and bloody and just waiting to be unleashed on dvd/Blu Ray

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'Robocop' is no way for anyone under 18 and that's why its so good, there are/were no restrictions for it. The new film is being aimed for a universal audience which means it just won't be as good because it will have restrictions, it will have to. It will probably be just another 'Iron Man' type clone with tonnes of CGI, car chases and explosions...just like the new Die Hard so I've heard.

]One thing about the original Robo that was so god damn cool was Verhoeven's outrageous bloody squib hits same with his 'Recall', it was ballistic and over the top but fantastic. The other thing was 'Clarence Boddicker' and his gang being such evil nasty sadistic shits, things like this you just won't get in any of these modern films...even 'Dredd'.


I agree with you here, Robocop is a gritty nutty blood-filled classic and will never be bettered. The new one won't be as bloody, I can assure you, it'll just be another toothless remake. On the sadistic bad guys, front, we got some of that in Shoot Em Up and Ma-Ma in Dredd wasn't exactly nice, she skinned dudes and threw them several floors to the lobby. There was a bit of a mean streak in that film that reminded me of some of the harsher 80s films, just look at the fate of the hobo. He wasn't bothering anybody and got squished by a door. I admit that not all action films have this but they don't all have to. Not all 80s films had mean streaks, a lot were very tongue in cheek, some were even goofy and I actually think it's that sense of humour, that sense of fun that is missing from most action films these days.The fact is, film is forever evolving, as are the tastes of film goers. You wouldn't have got a film like Robocop in the 50s, films like that are off their time. Every decade in film is slightly different to the previous one, not saying it's any better, it's just the way it's got to be, I suppose.


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RE: Reviews - 15/2/2013 12:02:21 PM   
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I am actually not sure how this got a 12A. Yeah, there isn't a huge amount of blood, but they show those bullets hitting. There is a lot of swearing, etc.

This felt like a 15, even in its cut form.

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RE: Reviews - 15/2/2013 2:02:01 PM   
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It's because the BBFC are getting more lenient, I imagine.

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RE: Reviews - 15/2/2013 2:02:02 PM   
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Just sent this emial to Mayo and kermode - wonder if they'll reply

The 12a rating given to the latest adventures of John McClane is causing much online contraversy and consternation. That the film's distributors sought guidance from the BBFC on how to achieve this rating by editing the film  from the one they submitted for advice which would have receievd a 15 has not gone down well. With other recent films such as Jack reacher, Taken 2 and The Hunger Games having gone through a similar process to achive the family friendly rating, could it be said that the BBFC's advisory service is making them complicit, actively or passively, in the commercially motivated bowlderisation of films? If so should they offer this service and simply give a rating based on the version of the film the studios choose to submit?
I think overall it's a good thing that they are prepared to work with the studios in this way although the studios themselves are taking advantage. Your thoughts?


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RE: Reviews - 15/2/2013 2:24:44 PM   
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Just dropping this here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXE6EqvGgIQ

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RE: Reviews - 15/2/2013 2:29:52 PM   
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Plus he's bound to mention the issue during his review. Think he'll like it...?

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RE: Reviews - 15/2/2013 6:25:28 PM   
Drooch

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Scruffybobby

Just sent this emial to Mayo and kermode - wonder if they'll reply

The 12a rating given to the latest adventures of John McClane is causing much online contraversy and consternation. That the film's distributors sought guidance from the BBFC on how to achieve this rating by editing the film  from the one they submitted for advice which would have receievd a 15 has not gone down well. With other recent films such as Jack reacher, Taken 2 and The Hunger Games having gone through a similar process to achive the family friendly rating, could it be said that the BBFC's advisory service is making them complicit, actively or passively, in the commercially motivated bowlderisation of films? If so should they offer this service and simply give a rating based on the version of the film the studios choose to submit?
I think overall it's a good thing that they are prepared to work with the studios in this way although the studios themselves are taking advantage. Your thoughts?



Finally, someone understands this concept.

Great email. Let's hope you get a reply.


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RE: Reviews - 16/2/2013 3:32:29 AM   
Phubbs


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I fully agree with Kermode, its bullshit, cinema is frankly dead and these companies wonder why SO MANY download films illegally.

I refuse to shell out and buy a film just to see what I should of seen in the cinema...which I also must shell out for because I'm an adult and pay full whack.

Screw you Hollywood! you just lost a cinema goer and film buyer (accept for the new Star Wars films...unless they are also cut! )

< Message edited by Phubbs -- 16/2/2013 3:33:17 AM >

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