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Die Hard 5 Earns 12A UK Rating - 11/2/2013 12:43:22 PM   
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- 11/2/2013 12:43:22 PM   
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Surely this defeats the purpose of what a Die Hard movie should be all about. I say bring back McTiernan and ramp it up to a 15 or an 18 and make it 150 minutes long than this piece of shit

Don't really understand how one can make a Die Hard movie as a 12A?

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RE: - 11/2/2013 12:47:58 PM   
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Of course I'd rather see a 15 or 18-rated Die Hard, but I think people get too focused on the rating and how much gore there is. Adding gore won't make an action film good if everything else about the film is bad, likewise, an action film can still be enjoyable with toned-down gore.

As an example, the second AvP film added a hell of a lot more gore and got an 18 rating (I think), but by all accounts was a terrible film (I didn't bother watching it).

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- 11/2/2013 12:47:58 PM   
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I genuinely just lost quite a lot of interest in this film.

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- 11/2/2013 12:48:22 PM   
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More interesting than it being a 12A it that, at the same time, it's an R in the US. That kind of thing is usually down to nudity, of which none is mentioned, so it seems an unusual discrepancy.

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- 11/2/2013 12:49:30 PM   
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'crunchy sound effects'?

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12A?! - 11/2/2013 12:51:51 PM   
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wow a lower rating than the 4.0 theatrical version! (15 in UK yet PG13 in the states). When it was announced it was R in the states i was sure itd be 15 but half hoped it might be 18 like DH1.

Was half planning on seeing it but after watching a bored B Willis on the One Show, catching bits of the blue steel CGtastic 4.0 inbetween the baftas and remembering how dull it all was, and now being cut for 12A i dont think i could make the effort for 4.0 part 2 (which looks to be way too similar) so unless Empire bails it out with a ***** star rating will be a (uncut) rental for me - that is if my Blockbuster hasnt shut by then

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RE: - 11/2/2013 12:51:56 PM   
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Oh no's! Not much swearing! They've ruined it forever! /end sarcasm

I've never understood people's obsession with judging the quality of a film based on the BBFC rating it's gotten. I don't think there'll be that much difference in content, anyway... things that got a 15 rating 30 years ago are getting 12 ratings on re-release. BBFC has just gotten more liberal.

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RE: - 11/2/2013 12:52:15 PM   
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More interesting than it being a 12A it that, at the same time, it's an R in the US. That kind of thing is usually down to nudity, of which none is mentioned, so it seems an unusual discrepancy.


I assume it was rated R for the four uses of the f-word that the BBFC states are in the film. It was the same thing with Terminator 3 which had more than the usually allowed one for a PG-13.

EDIT: According to Empire, it was pre-cut by the studio to get the rating so we're getting an edited version. I was actually happy it was rated R, too. I'll still see the film and look forward to the uncut blu ray

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- 11/2/2013 1:11:23 PM   
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I know the rating doesn't necessarily dictate how good the film will be, but come on. It's Die Hard. This shit needs to be an 18, or at least a 15.

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RE: RE: - 11/2/2013 1:16:01 PM   
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I'll still see the film and look forward to the uncut blu ray


Lets hope we do get it unlike 4.0...

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RE: - 11/2/2013 1:18:31 PM   
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I know the rating doesn't necessarily dictate how good the film will be, but come on. It's Die Hard. This shit needs to be an 18, or at least a 15.


Any film needs to be whatever it needs to be. Previous films in a franchise should not be a consideration.

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- 11/2/2013 1:21:15 PM   
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It was never a DH flick from the first trailer. That horrible CGI helicopter/jumping out the building to the pool below? The film is also 97 mins long or something daft like that. The reasons behind the cuts are horribly clear. R in the states means kids can go with an adult. 15/18 means nobody under that age, so it's clearly a box office grab.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the BBFC being liberal. This has absolutely everything to do with a studio cutting necessary DH ingredients purely to get shitty little kids in to watch it over half term (which starts on Feb 15).

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PRE CUT INFO - 11/2/2013 1:25:30 PM   
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BBFC have got this in their pre-cut info box:

During post-production, the distributor sought and was given advice on how to secure the desired classification. Following this advice, certain changes were made prior to submission

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This work was originally seen for advice in an unfinished form. The company was advised that the film was likely to receive a '15' certificate but that their preferred '12A' classification could be achieved by making a number of cuts to both language and visuals. When the finished version of the film was submitted for formal classification, edits had been made to reduce the number of uses of strong language (both 'f**k' and 'motherf***er') and to reduce sequences of bloody violence, including blood sprays when characters are shot in the head, and punches to restrained individuals. The formal submission was consequently rated '12A'.

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Yipee-ki-yay mother foxers! - 11/2/2013 1:32:42 PM   
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I don't want to hear a muted Yipee-ki-yay! I say we take over Fox tower Hans Gruber style until our demands of an 18 rated Die Hard! 20th Century Fox seem to be getting good at killing film franchises with there awful ideas!

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RE: RE: - 11/2/2013 1:36:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UTB


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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench

I'll still see the film and look forward to the uncut blu ray


Lets hope we do get it unlike 4.0...


Die Hard 4 was never cut, the version we and the US got was the version they shot so the 'uncut' version is on Bu Ray. It's the stupid version with dubbed over swearing and CG blood hits that's not, so it's not a big loss. We'll get an uncut version of 5 on Blu Ray for sure

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Any film needs to be whatever it needs to be. Previous films in a franchise should not be a consideration.


Except this film isn't getting the chance to be what it needs to be. It has been butchered into something else. Apparently, the amount of cuts for this go up to at least 50. That's bad language, squib hits, sounds of bones crunching etc, the lot. Welcome to the 90s again, folks, except this time it is not the BBFC's fault. Thanks a lot, Fox you money grabbing sods.

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RE: Die Hard 5 Earns 12A UK Rating - 11/2/2013 1:44:05 PM   
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The biggest problem is Fox picking people who can't write and can't direct. These are hired guns for a franchise they are not intent on saving. It's a cash cow. They know kids have seen the originals on video or whatever and market it straight at them. Mark Bomback wrote DH4 which wasn't a good film, but it wasn't bad by any means. It had DH elements but was mostly pretty removed from the first. This new one is even worse. It's written by fucking Skip Woods who is responsible for Hitman, GI Joe and that fucking Wolverine film. What are Fox thinking?

Len Wiseman isn't great but at least it looked like a DH film. A bit flashy, but it was going in the right direction. John Moore directed The Omen and Max Payne. Enough said? Not quite. Apparently he argued AGAINST Max Payne receiving an R rating and wouldn't stop until it was given PG-13.

He's the perfect guy to carry on DH, at least in Fox's eyes. If they've any chance with ending on a high, they'd wait for McTiernan or even go with Renny Harlin after his Hercules thing is done. Bring back de Souza and set it in a mall on Christmas Eve. Then again, with Fox behind it they'd just turn it into Die Hard: Mall Cop.

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RE: Die Hard 5 Earns 12A UK Rating - 11/2/2013 1:47:33 PM   
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The biggest problem is Fox picking people who can't write and can't direct. These are hired guns for a franchise they are not intent on saving. It's a cash cow. They know kids have seen the originals on video or whatever and market it straight at them. Mark Bomback wrote DH4 which wasn't a good film, but it wasn't bad by any means. It had DH elements but was mostly pretty removed from the first. This new one is even worse. It's written by fucking Skip Woods who is responsible for Hitman, GI Joe and that fucking Wolverine film. What are Fox thinking?

Len Wiseman isn't great but at least it looked like a DH film. A bit flashy, but it was going in the right direction. John Moore directed The Omen and Max Payne. Enough said? Not quite. Apparently he argued AGAINST Max Payne receiving an R rating and wouldn't stop until it was given PG-13.

He's the perfect guy to carry on DH, at least in Fox's eyes. If they've any chance with ending on a high, they'd wait for McTiernan or even go with Renny Harlin after his Hercules thing is done. Bring back de Souza and set it in a mall on Christmas Eve. Then again, with Fox behind it they'd just turn it into Die Hard: Mall Cop.


But the film has been rated R in the US, it is an actual violent 'grown-up' film over there It is just in the UK that it has been edited into a 'kids film'.

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A Good Day to.... - 11/2/2013 1:47:58 PM   
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RE: Die Hard 5 Earns 12A UK Rating - 11/2/2013 1:52:26 PM   
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What are Fox thinking?




Probably the same when they hired the director of A Nightmare On Elm Street 4 to direct Die Hard 2?

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RE: Die Hard 5 Earns 12A UK Rating - 11/2/2013 1:56:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: UTB


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What are Fox thinking?




Probably the same when they hired the director of A Nightmare On Elm Street 4 to direct Die Hard 2?


Well played.

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RE: RE: - 11/2/2013 1:59:22 PM   
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I know the rating doesn't necessarily dictate how good the film will be, but come on. It's Die Hard. This shit needs to be an 18, or at least a 15.


Any film needs to be whatever it needs to be. Previous films in a franchise should not be a consideration.


Then they shouldn't have written and shot the scenes and then cut them out specifically to get a 12A rating.

The franchise and McClane's character is built on violence and bad language. To actively water down films in a series that fans have loved due to their language, violence and characters defeats their purpose overall.

It's a pathetic attempt to not only try and grab younger viewers through the CGI explosions but to also try and make more money by introducing the 'Extended and Unrated' Blue Ray release later down the line.

With the film out in 3 days and no reviews yet up, as well as a bored looking Willis promoting the film, it's a safe bet to suggest this film is going to suck. Making it a kiddie friendly film through editing will not change that fact.

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early word not good - 11/2/2013 1:59:42 PM   
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early word on the internet is its not great, which if true, is upsetting as I love the die hard movies. Ive had a worry since the first trailer- looked very euro (as in transporter 3, from paris with love) the effects looked xbox360 (like Max Payne, also by moore) I do hope it truns out great. to be fair there hasnt been a bad one yet- die hard 2 only got 3 stars but on reflection, c'mon, its a damn entertaining movie, 3 and 4 were just fine and did the job. I have everything crossed 5 is good. that said I predict 2 stars from EMPIRE.

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RE: RE: - 11/2/2013 2:01:47 PM   
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Kiddie-friendly? Really?

I agree that cutting it in order to get their desired rating sucks. But there are loads of 12A rated films that I wouldn't let kids see.

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RE: Die Hard 5 Earns 12A UK Rating - 11/2/2013 2:04:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench


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ORIGINAL: joepeterwilson

The biggest problem is Fox picking people who can't write and can't direct. These are hired guns for a franchise they are not intent on saving. It's a cash cow. They know kids have seen the originals on video or whatever and market it straight at them. Mark Bomback wrote DH4 which wasn't a good film, but it wasn't bad by any means. It had DH elements but was mostly pretty removed from the first. This new one is even worse. It's written by fucking Skip Woods who is responsible for Hitman, GI Joe and that fucking Wolverine film. What are Fox thinking?

Len Wiseman isn't great but at least it looked like a DH film. A bit flashy, but it was going in the right direction. John Moore directed The Omen and Max Payne. Enough said? Not quite. Apparently he argued AGAINST Max Payne receiving an R rating and wouldn't stop until it was given PG-13.

He's the perfect guy to carry on DH, at least in Fox's eyes. If they've any chance with ending on a high, they'd wait for McTiernan or even go with Renny Harlin after his Hercules thing is done. Bring back de Souza and set it in a mall on Christmas Eve. Then again, with Fox behind it they'd just turn it into Die Hard: Mall Cop.


But the film has been rated R in the US, it is an actual violent 'grown-up' film over there It is just in the UK that it has been edited into a 'kids film'.


I disagree with it being a grown-up film. Based on the cut Fox showed the BBFC before submission, it still would have got a 15 rating. It being a 12A isn't my real issue. My real problem is that they're not taking the actual fanbase seriously. The film is aimed at a much younger audience in it's direction. It looks so plastic and just not what DH looks like to me. It's so ridiculous now. He jumps out a fucking window down God knows how many floors and lands in a pool after smashing through a roof. Fox don't understand that people will still see a new DH even if it isn't a brainless film to look at. Not sure about you but I cared about what happened to McClane in the first three. I couldn't care less now. The first three are so involving and exciting to experience but seeing John and John Jr race a flaming helicopter to the ground from hundreds of feet up just doesn't do it for me.

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RE: RE: - 11/2/2013 2:05:57 PM   
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Kiddie-friendly? Really?

I agree that cutting it in order to get their desired rating sucks. But there are loads of 12A rated films that I wouldn't let kids see.


Kiddie friendly as much as Fox know kids can see a 12A and lots of parents will take them to see it, therefore Fox get more money. Kids can see R rated films in the US with an adult but the closest we have to that is a 12A. Hence the (apparently shit load) of cuts.

They pre-cut Chronicle and Taken 2 to get 12A certificates for exactly the same reason. They even pre-cut The Three Stooges movie to get a PG so younger kids can see it.....

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- 11/2/2013 2:35:48 PM   
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People are missing the basic thing about certifying Die Hard as a kid friendly 12A movie. It's Die Hard - the name totally gives the meaning that this movie is meant to be a bloody crime action thriller not a movie to which a ten or eleven year old should go and see and hear words such as f**k, m******ker

It states on the BBFC website that the movie was cut to get rid of the blood and swearing - don't really understand as to why. For me this is a definite miss. Also it's the shortest entry in the franchise clocking in at a measly 1hr 37mins

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RE: - 11/2/2013 2:51:44 PM   
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Slightly confused why the studio was happy to punt for an R in the US but pushed for cuts and a 12A here. I know minors can technically see an R in the States if they're accompanied by an adult, but PG-13 is still very much the rating to aim for if you're concerned about such things, which clearly they are given the UK rating. Strange...

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12A ?????????????? Why ?????? - 11/2/2013 2:58:23 PM   
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What the hell are they playing at ?? Watered down Dross that is what this film will be, Bloody greedy twentieth century fox !!!
97 mins way to short !! what happened did they run out of story or money ?? This has got Taken 2 all over it (and that was rubbish as well) another movie franchise ruined !!!! well done Fox & Moore !!!!!

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- 11/2/2013 3:11:03 PM   
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seems to be the norm now, that children 12 or under are allowed to view films that are more suited for an older audience. Doesnt seem right that true die hards fans having to watch the film with kids on the loose.

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