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Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 1:21:46 PM   
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With the blessing of Rawlinson and Gimli, a crime poll! Lists of up to 150, shorts, features, TV, books, videos games are all fine. For TV, stuff like The Wire/Sopranos/Sherlock has to be voted for as a whole, but stuff like Poirot/Marple/Morse can be voted for by episode. I'll set a deadline once I know how much interest there is.

Crime's kind of a bugger to pin down, and I'm not going to instinctively disqualify anything, but just because the IMDB tags it as crime doesn't make it a crime movie! Generally speaking, I'm not going to allow megalomaniac take-over-the-world plots, and the excuse of "people get murdered" doesn't mean, say, Star Wars or LOTR are allowed! Then again, Muppets Christmas Carol made it into the horror list, so what do I know?

Send the lists to - empirecrimepoll@hotmail.com

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 1:31:30 PM   
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Just a tip, you might want to make a ruling up front on t.v. stuff, because it's not just the series stuff like The Wire and The Sopranos, but mini-series like The Singing Detective and stuff that was technically a series but also work as stand-alones, like the Poirot/Marple eps. Might save you a lot of questions down the line if you decide up front.

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 1:31:43 PM   
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I'm up for this.

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 1:32:32 PM   
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Just a tip, you might want to make a ruling up front on t.v. stuff, because it's not just the series stuff like The Wire and The Sopranos, but mini-series like The Singing Detective and stuff that was technically a series but also work as stand-alones, like the Poirot/Marple eps. Might save you a lot of questions down the line if you decide up front.


OH MY GOD CAN WE INCLUDE BOOKS TOO!?!!?!?


Then everyone can vote for Agatha Christie!

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 1:34:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rawlinson

Just a tip, you might want to make a ruling up front on t.v. stuff, because it's not just the series stuff like The Wire and The Sopranos, but mini-series like The Singing Detective and stuff that was technically a series but also work as stand-alones, like the Poirot/Marple eps. Might save you a lot of questions down the line if you decide up front.


Good point, I'll edit something like "Yeah, why not?" into my first post.

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 1:42:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MovieAddict247


quote:

ORIGINAL: rawlinson

Just a tip, you might want to make a ruling up front on t.v. stuff, because it's not just the series stuff like The Wire and The Sopranos, but mini-series like The Singing Detective and stuff that was technically a series but also work as stand-alones, like the Poirot/Marple eps. Might save you a lot of questions down the line if you decide up front.


OH MY GOD CAN WE INCLUDE BOOKS TOO!?!!?!?


Then everyone can vote for Agatha Christie!


And John Franklin Bardin. Everyone should read John Franklin Bardin. Why there haven't been high profile adaptations of his books is a mystery/massive annoyance.

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 1:42:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rawlinson

Just a tip, you might want to make a ruling up front on t.v. stuff, because it's not just the series stuff like The Wire and The Sopranos, but mini-series like The Singing Detective and stuff that was technically a series but also work as stand-alones, like the Poirot/Marple eps. Might save you a lot of questions down the line if you decide up front.


Good point, I'll edit something like "Yeah, why not?" into my first post.


Elab's going to weep when she sees how well The Sopranos do.

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 1:45:38 PM   
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That's a crime show? I thought it was about family dysfunction. 

A reasonably OK show about family dysfunction.


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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 2:03:56 PM   
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quote:

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Then again, Muppets Christmas Carol made it into the horror list, so what do I know?


During the opening song, the vegetables complain that they;re being stolen. That's a crime! I'll get The Muppets in this one too!


Crime shows, I take it that covers all procedurals, each as its own entry? What about shows that feature crimes that are investigated by two FBI agents who discover that the crimes were committed by aliens, liver-eating stretchy men or parasitic worms?


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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 2:11:08 PM   
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During the opening song, the vegetables complain that they;re being stolen. That's a crime! I'll get The Muppets in this one too!



NOPE

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Crime shows, I take it that covers all procedurals, each as its own entry? What about shows that feature crimes that are investigated by two FBI agents who discover that the crimes were committed by aliens, liver-eating stretchy men or parasitic worms?



I've never watched it, but Wikipedia says:
"The series recounted the exploits of FBI Special Agents Fox Mulder (David Duchovny) and Dana Scully (Gillian Anderson) who investigate X-Files: marginalized, unsolved cases involving paranormal phenomena."

I'm inclined to say yes.

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 2:15:36 PM   
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I was actually joking with The X-Files but hell, it's better than any actual crime films I know of so if I can have it I'm including it!

Also, go and watch The X-Files.

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 5:28:59 PM   
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Wow... if we're allowed The X-Files does that mean we're taking a broader view of crime than just organised crime that is usually considered?
Like, serial killer movies and stuff can be included?

Also, would I be able to vote for individual stories from Gotham Central (it's a police procedural comic book series that just happens to sometimes feature cameos from the costumed heroes of Gotham City), or would it need to be the series as a whole?

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 6:45:39 PM   
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Wow... if we're allowed The X-Files does that mean we're taking a broader view of crime than just organised crime that is usually considered?
Like, serial killer movies and stuff can be included?


I've not watched X-Files, but since the Wiki link suggests the focus is on law enforcement and investigation-type stuff I'm okay with people wanting to vote for it. Serial killer films are tricky, but I'm okay with them as long as there's some kind of focus on the impact the crime is having and the people trying to bring them in. So Halloween is a no but Se7en is a yes, if that makes sense.

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Also, would I be able to vote for individual stories from Gotham Central (it's a police procedural comic book series that just happens to sometimes feature cameos from the costumed heroes of Gotham City), or would it need to be the series as a whole?


If the individual stories are independent and not tied into any overarching plot, then you can vote for them individually.

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 6:54:00 PM   
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I think it's back to what Rawlinson was mentioning in the other thread - the purpose and intent of the show wasn't crime investigation in X Files but the paranormal. It'd be a bit like including SUpernatural because they're basically doing the same thing and pretend they're cops often enough? 

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 6:57:42 PM   
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I think the difference between the two is that Mulder and Scully are official law enforcement investigating crime - surreal crime, but crime nonetheless, whereas the Supernatural boys are looking out for monsters regardless of any crime and without any official sanction to do so. Still, to make a fair ruling, it looks like this poll is going to finally make me watch an episode of the X-Files!

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 7:06:29 PM   
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the Supernatural boys are looking out for monsters regardless of any crime and without any official sanction to do so.


You make it sound like Bo and Luke Duke going monster hunting.

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 7:10:43 PM   
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the Supernatural boys are looking out for monsters regardless of any crime and without any official sanction to do so.


You make it sound like Bo and Luke Duke going monster hunting.


That would be much better than Supernatural.

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 7:13:29 PM   
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But the X Files couple weren't assigned normal cases and just found stuff - they were actively looking for aliens in odd sounding cases. Mulder cared about nothing else. I'd say it was a show about an alien story arc, that features a couple of FBI investigators rather than vv.  Granted they never found any existentially depressed teddy bears. This is a significant issue with the show


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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 7:19:22 PM   
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But the X Files couple weren't assigned normal cases and just found stuff - they were actively looking for aliens in odd sounding cases. Mulder cared about nothing else. I'd say it was a show about an alien story arc, that features a couple of FBI investigators rather than vv.  Granted they never found any existentially depressed teddy bears. This is a significant issue with the show



Fair enough, I'll watch a bit of the show and think about whether I should allow it. Although if only Gimli votes for it it might not make the list!

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 7:26:52 PM   
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Sorry, I'd skipped right over the bit where you said you'd not tried the show yet. 1st and 3rd season are very good 

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 7:42:39 PM   
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In all honesty I probably wouldn't think The X-Files is something that should be included. If we can have it I will have it but I can very easily see why it shouldn't be there. Crime is not the first word that springs to mind when I think of the show.


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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 8:02:45 PM   
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In which case I'm going to Gove on my previous decision and say it can't be voted for, mostly since you're the one most likely to demand it's included, so if you're not it must speak volumes about its inappropriateness .

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 8:38:56 PM   
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I like that you've made gove a verb 

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 9:08:26 PM   
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I'd vote for The X-Files, too as it's my favourite TV show ever. But I agree it's not something that I think should be included in a crime list... despite most of the cases starting out as "this person is murdered" or something similar, and Scully at least looking for a normal solution to the case.

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 9:15:36 PM   
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Looking forward to putting together a list for this. I can tell you now The Godfather, The Wire and James Ellroy are going to feature heavily.

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 9:15:40 PM   
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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 9:20:19 PM   
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Can everyone pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease read some John Franklin Bardin before they vote?

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 9:22:13 PM   
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Looking forward to putting together a list for this. I can tell you now The Godfather, The Wire and James Ellroy are going to feature heavily.


I'd be worried if The Godfather didn't feature heavily on everyone's list.

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 9:25:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rinc

Looking forward to putting together a list for this. I can tell you now The Godfather, The Wire and James Ellroy are going to feature heavily.


I'd be worried if The Godfather didn't feature heavily on everyone's list.


Goodfellas > Godfather Part 2 > The Godfather

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RE: Crime Poll - 9/2/2013 9:30:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rinc

Looking forward to putting together a list for this. I can tell you now The Godfather, The Wire and James Ellroy are going to feature heavily.


I'd be worried if The Godfather didn't feature heavily on everyone's list.


Goodfellas > Godfather Part 2 > The Godfather


Pretty much. I'm pretty sure neither Elab or Gimli will be voting for them. I probably would have had them in the 101 - 150 area if this was just films, but with it being expanded to cover t.v., books, etc , they might not make it at all.

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