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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 18/1/2013 3:13:58 PM   
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It should have been someone who doesn't cosy up to celebrities that did the interview. Katie Couric, heck, even Piers Morgan

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 18/1/2013 3:17:53 PM   
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I guess they assumed that if Oprah would do the Kardashians she'd sunk low enough to interview anyone.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 18/1/2013 3:24:48 PM   
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She came across as just trying to keep them calm and relaxed rather than being a proper interview.

He doesn't deserve that.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 18/1/2013 7:04:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: James2183

She came across as just trying to keep them calm and relaxed rather than being a proper interview.

He doesn't deserve that.


Actually, no one, including him, deserves the vitriol the media usually sprays.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 18/1/2013 8:18:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Squidward Hark Bugle


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ORIGINAL: James2183

She came across as just trying to keep them calm and relaxed rather than being a proper interview.

He doesn't deserve that.


Actually, no one, including him, deserves the vitriol the media usually sprays.


Really? Listen to this and say the same: http://www.balls.ie/news/a-very-emotional-david-walsh-bbc-interview-further-exposes-the-utter-vileness-of-lance-armstrong/#sthash.uHPJV0EH.dpbs

Vile scum who deserves everything coming to him.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 18/1/2013 9:30:21 PM   
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The strongest reaction in the immediate aftermath of the interview came from Betsy Andreu, the wife of a former Armstrong teammate, Frankie Andreu. She testified at an insurance arbitration that she heard Armstrong, while under cancer treatment, outline the performance-enhancing drugs he had used. Armstrong responded with vicious and personal attacks on her, often calling her crazy. In Thursday’s broadcast he did not confirm that her testimony had, in fact, been true, nor did he offer an explicit apology for his attacks.

“He owed it to me,” Betsy Andreu said on CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360” after the Armstrong interview. “You owed it to me, Lance, and you dropped the ball. After what you’ve done to me and what you’ve done to my family, and you couldn’t own up to it?”

An earlier target of Armstrong’s bullying was similarly unimpressed. Christophe Bassons was the only member of the Festina team to be cleared by the investigation that followed a series of police raids that almost brought the 1998 Tour de France to a close. He quit the Tour the next year after Armstrong made vague threats to him for speaking out against doping during the race. Armstrong then went on to win the first of his seven performance-enhanced Tours.


Armstrong has destroyed reputations and he has destroyed careers based on people making accusations against him which he has now admitted were true. His actions were horrific and he is rightly being vilified for being a truly hideous human being. Now that his own actions have come back to haunt him he is making himself out as a victim but people are simply pointing out what he actually did (and now admitted to doing), lied about doing continuously and terribly attacked and bullied people in the past for exposing.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 18/1/2013 9:38:25 PM   
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According to the Beeb he's partly blaming his winner take all attitude on cancer.

But the story above notes that one legal case also involved someone overhearing him telling his doctors when diagnosed he was already taking the drugs?

If you're going to try and get some decent apology PR should you not make sure your apology story stacks up?



I'm no psychiatrist, so I don't know how to put this. But I think he has an mindset that shapes the world around him to fit what he wants. When I was a kid, we'd have called it a bit of a mentalist, but I'm sure in these enlightened times there is a word for it. Anyway, I'm not quite sure that he views the world in a way that you or I would and I don't just think that is the drugs talking, or some post-event rationalisation exercise.

I'm no psychiatrist either but I'd say that's sociopathy...it's impossible to believe a word that comes out of his mouth. So we're supposed to believe everything he says now? Name names. There's no way that those in charge of his teams, the doping agencies or even the IOC are completely clean in this. This doping racket was not as sophisticated as it has been made out to be. There has to be compliance in authority somewhere.

It's one thing to deny, deny and deny some more then only admit it later when the evidence is overwhelming. What he did was attack those who questioned him and discredit, lie and even get damages from them.

It's a purely manufactured apology and saying he's sorry is only for his own sake, and his conscience, and I think he's only saying the minimum amount he can without risking any real comeback. It may get to a point where he will be held accountable, legally, but then there's a suggestion that if he were to name names, his lifetime ban could be lifted etc.

EDIT: UCI not IOC

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 19/1/2013 9:06:58 AM   
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Having seen the reports today where he states he wants to compete again. All the body language and the manner in which he presents the statements, to me, suggest no contrition at all. The only reason he is doing this is to attempt to gain sympathy (something I believe he has failed to elicit). Also from the way he has been pointed out as someone who essentially forced people to dope or get thrown out of the team (as the many people have given evidence that he did) he cannot seem to understand that this is the reason he has been hit harder by the authorities. Also he raised himself up as a paragon of the sport, which these others had not attempted to do for themselves, and revelled in that adulation as essentially a hero of the sport. As such of course he is going to be reviled at a greater level when shown to be one of the great villains of the piece.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 19/1/2013 9:15:50 AM   
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The first part of the interview was interesting enough and like most right minded people I don't believe a word he says in terms of the apology. Oprah did ok, but I was amazed she didn't bring up the alleged donation of $1m dollars made by Armstrong to the UCI.

There have been a number of different versions of what happened and now he is just saying it never happened. Even though IIRC the UCI admitted it some time ago. Now call me a cynic but the biggest drug cheat in the history of the sport paying $1m to the governing body when they are apparently on their uppers?.................the allegation has always been that he made the one and only positive test disappear.

Also really looking forward to his full honest genuine apology to Betsty Andreu, David Walsh, Paul Kimmage and all the riders he bullied over the years.

No, I'm not holding my breath either......

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 19/1/2013 11:30:43 AM   
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I haven't watched any of the interviews but have been reading the extracts/reports on it. All a bit odd. So he vehemently denies it for years. Then even when the USADA report was published, he solidly denied it. I mean I had my suspicions about the report - essentially they coaxed testimonies out of his cohorts by giving them a shorter ban rather than banning them forever and ever and ever....not that I'm seriously comparing to information gained through torture, but one does wonder what people will say to not lose their livelihood completely!

2 or 3 months later, he's on bloody Oprah admitting to absolutely anything he can? Very very odd. He's probably still like 'I still know I didn't do it..' inside, just saying all that to try and get the ban lifted. If it doesn't work, I reckon I could come to regret not putting him on my deadpool list this year.

I did read an article in the Independent a few weeks back (annoyingly I can't find it online now) when the first hints that a confession was on the way that it conveniently coincided with it being 7 years pretty much to the day since a court case where he swore under oath he never doped. Apparently within that time he could have been done for perjury on that case but not now. I'm sure I read that right, but seemed a bit odd to me, I didn't know perjury had a use by date!



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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 19/1/2013 12:19:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Super Hans

I haven't watched any of the interviews but have been reading the extracts/reports on it. All a bit odd. So he vehemently denies it for years. Then even when the USADA report was published, he solidly denied it. I mean I had my suspicions about the report - essentially they coaxed testimonies out of his cohorts by giving them a shorter ban rather than banning them forever and ever and ever....not that I'm seriously comparing to information gained through torture, but one does wonder what people will say to not lose their livelihood completely!

2 or 3 months later, he's on bloody Oprah admitting to absolutely anything he can? Very very odd. He's probably still like 'I still know I didn't do it..' inside, just saying all that to try and get the ban lifted. If it doesn't work, I reckon I could come to regret not putting him on my deadpool list this year.

I did read an article in the Independent a few weeks back (annoyingly I can't find it online now) when the first hints that a confession was on the way that it conveniently coincided with it being 7 years pretty much to the day since a court case where he swore under oath he never doped. Apparently within that time he could have been done for perjury on that case but not now. I'm sure I read that right, but seemed a bit odd to me, I didn't know perjury had a use by date!



They were talking about that on 5iveLive yesterday...apparently, if the Department of Justice (or whoever it is in their many levels of law) really wanted to go after him they could, regardless of the amount of time passed.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 19/1/2013 12:39:54 PM   
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I think what is probably the worst thing this story has revealed is not the whole drug cheat thing but the discovery of what an unpleasant human being he appear to be. A lot of the stories which have been around for years but never covered, from varied and unconnected sources, which have shown he has been quite monstrous in his dealings with other people. That is probably the thing which has destroyed his image even more than the drug scandal.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 19/1/2013 12:53:41 PM   
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I'm no psychiatrist, so I don't know how to put this. But I think he has an mindset that shapes the world around him to fit what he wants. When I was a kid, we'd have called it a bit of a mentalist, but I'm sure in these enlightened times there is a word for it. Anyway, I'm not quite sure that he views the world in a way that you or I would and I don't just think that is the drugs talking, or some post-event rationalisation exercise.

I've heard this before as well.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 21/1/2013 9:25:22 PM   
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