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So Armstrong admits he doped - 15/1/2013 4:13:48 PM   
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 As if it was a secret or that anyone still thought he was innocent.

Lance The Cheat

I wonder how much money he is getting for this confessional........

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 15/1/2013 4:24:04 PM   
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You would tend to think that some PR person has told him fessing up will be more productive than taking sarcy pics in front of trophies he cheated to win.

We were wondering, though - did he make claims in court that he's now contradicting? Perjury could lead to jail time.


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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 15/1/2013 4:29:48 PM   
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 Everyone from former team mates, US Justice department, Sunday Times and even bloody Australia are gearing up to sue his arse.
Basically he seems to be doing this purely so his ban can be slighted lifted....supposedly he wants to get back into triathlons.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 15/1/2013 5:20:17 PM   
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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 15/1/2013 5:54:42 PM   
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Another -1 point for Lance

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 15/1/2013 11:04:28 PM   
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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 15/1/2013 11:13:44 PM   
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And yet there will still be a truckload of Lance apologists queuing up to say what an inspirational figure he still is. I'm not a cycling fan but I hope he gets royally shafted in court by the world and his wife. If there's anything about him at all he should make a substantial seven figure donation to another cancer charity that he doesn't endorse. Can't see it happening though.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 16/1/2013 8:29:35 AM   
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 I'm not an apologist for Lance. It seems that not only did he consciously and deliberately cheat to win, but he also went so far as to libel those trying to uncover the truth.

However, you can't get away from the fact that his charity raised millions. Clearly donors were misled, but assuming the donations went to good use, there is some good in the man. It can't be completely pantomime of he's all good or all bad.

And I do hope he's ostracised from the sport (all sports), he is made to pay back sponsorship, winnings, appearance fees, etc he got by cheating. Also, will be interesting to see where this goes. Looks like his next step could be to bring down the sport even further by pointing to some level of complicity from the cycling authorities.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 16/1/2013 1:30:20 PM   
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 I know very little detail in all of this (I don't follow cycling and, to be honest, I'm not that interested), but wasn't EVERYONE doping up and cheating at the time?

Has he done something above and beyond that to make him a proper villain?

(I'm not being rhetorical - I really don't know and it is a genuine question)

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 16/1/2013 1:40:58 PM   
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I'm not defending the man, but as stated above the sport was riddled with cheating and performance enhancing drugs during his tenure as 7 time champion. Those who have confessed against him were offered indemnity from their own cheating for speaking out against him.

It's somewhat of a witch hunt and the sport which has been a massive farce, is using Lance as a scape goat to try and turn around their own fortunes.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 16/1/2013 1:45:03 PM   
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 But isn't the point that those who were not willing to sacrifice their bodies in such a way and cheat were forced out of the sport as they just could not compete on such an uneven playing field and their sheer presence didn't suit the cheats.

Armstrong with his 7 Tour wins, his multi-million sponsorships, his speaking engagements off this success, etc. clearly benefitted most from cheating, so he has to fall heavily.

Plus he's had ample opportunity to come clean. Indeed he took journalists to court who were trying to write the truth as part of his big cover up.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 16/1/2013 1:47:56 PM   
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It's not that he has the furthest to fall, it's that he seems to be the only one having to make the fall.

The sport should be looked into by an independent body, not it's own governing body, and all those found guilty should be punished.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 16/1/2013 1:53:56 PM   
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It's not that he has the furthest to fall, it's that he seems to be the only one having to make the fall.

The sport should be looked into by an independent body, not it's own governing body, and all those found guilty should be punished.


That's what I was thinking.

To paraphrase Apocalypse Now, calling out Armstrong like this is like handing out a speeding ticket at the Indy 500.

...without the hicks...or the slaughtering of vietnamese villagers...

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 16/1/2013 1:55:33 PM   
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 Like great_badir, I don't follow cycling. But I was under the impression that other winners / cyclists had been banned / had titles stripped. I can't hold any sympathy for Armstrong, even if it was the norm it was against the rules and he not only did it, but apparently did it very well.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 16/1/2013 2:02:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: great_badir

I know very little detail in all of this (I don't follow cycling and, to be honest, I'm not that interested), but wasn't EVERYONE doping up and cheating at the time?



Indeed, when he had his Tour de France titles removed, the reason given for not awarding the title to the runner-up was that they couldn't be satisfied that they weren't doped too.  As for Armstrong doing something above and beyond, well, yeah, his success and comeback from cancer gave him the highest profile of any other rider of the time (possibly of all time), and he profited greatly from that profile.

The governing body has done itself no favours since this came to light.  The senior structures seem to be almost as corrupt as the drug-taking teams, and their interference in their own investigation appears to have stymied any effective conclusions.

According to a debate earlier on the radio, there are rumours circulating now that if the governing body does not get its act together, the IOC will consider removing the sport from the olympics.  Which strikes me as remarkably unfair to the current crop of cyclists, who are being punished for the sins of their predecessors.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 16/1/2013 2:16:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: great_badir

I know very little detail in all of this (I don't follow cycling and, to be honest, I'm not that interested), but wasn't EVERYONE doping up and cheating at the time?

Has he done something above and beyond that to make him a proper villain?

(I'm not being rhetorical - I really don't know and it is a genuine question)



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I'm not defending the man, but as stated above the sport was riddled with cheating and performance enhancing drugs during his tenure as 7 time champion. Those who have confessed against him were offered indemnity from their own cheating for speaking out against him.

It's somewhat of a witch hunt and the sport which has been a massive farce, is using Lance as a scape goat to try and turn around their own fortunes.



If I recall correctly, it became clear that Lance had considerable influence amongst other racers and pressurised those around him into using as well. There's a good argument to be made for those he pressurised to say no or whatever (though it's difficult to say what a racer of Armstrong's apparent influence was capable of doing to their careers - the possible complicity of the various governing bodies would suggest quite a bit), but Armstrong is being particularly vilified because he forced others to cheat, as well as cheating himself.

To be fair, cycling has seemingly begun to get its act together the last few years. There have been a number of bans and retrospective removal of titles etc, and the exposure of who was basically the sport's biggest cheater ever should hopefully go further to breed a new culture in the sport that doesn't legitimise doping the way the previous generation of cyclists did.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 16/1/2013 2:24:56 PM   
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The US report implies he did go pretty far beyond - years of bullying, threats, intimidation and perjury towards anyone who stepped out of line, criticised, or bore witness to what he was doing (eg when reporting overhearing telling his doctor back when he had cancer about the doping). He has been immensely litigious in controlling what happened, scaring off others from whistle-blowing, closing down stories as well as the possibility of perjury. This article implies he wasn't just another athlete taking drugs, he was part of the core problem in using and spreading them.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/zone-lance-armstrong-bully-downfall-article-1.1188512


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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 17/1/2013 1:38:46 PM   
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 Right.

So quite a naughty man then.

As said further up thread, I guess it's tricky what with the money he has raised for charities - regardless of what publicity that money has accumulated from, it's all done them good. But to find out that money has been raised through no good deeds and by an apparent cunt...

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 17/1/2013 1:43:15 PM   
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Right.

So quite a naughty man then.

As said further up thread, I guess it's tricky what with the money he has raised for charities - regardless of what publicity that money has accumulated from, it's all done them good. But to find out that money has been raised through no good deeds and by an apparent cunt...


So, a bit Savile-esque then?

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 17/1/2013 1:46:41 PM   
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Right.

So quite a naughty man then.

As said further up thread, I guess it's tricky what with the money he has raised for charities - regardless of what publicity that money has accumulated from, it's all done them good. But to find out that money has been raised through no good deeds and by an apparent cunt...


So, a bit Savile-esque then?


hah that's what I was thinking. I'm just wondering how old Sheryl Crow was when he was banging her.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 17/1/2013 1:48:32 PM   
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So, a bit Savile-esque then?


Funnily enough, not 10 minutes ago, a mate of mine who is (was) a massive fan of Armstrong said "I've also heard a rumour today that he liked the kiddies...in THAT way..."

He quickly admitted he was joking (I SAID HE WAS JOKING, INTERNET!!!), but when he said it my immediate reaction wasn't one of shock, mainly cos there's so much of it about at the moment*


*- talking about it like it's the common cold

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 17/1/2013 1:49:55 PM   
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I'm just wondering how old Sheryl Crow was when he was banging her.


She's older than him. By a stretch. Proper MILF. Lucky bastard.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 17/1/2013 2:11:45 PM   
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What do mean ruined? It was a poor man's BASEketball even before all of this...

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 17/1/2013 2:27:30 PM   
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I'm just wondering how old Sheryl Crow was when he was banging her.


She's older than him. By a stretch. Proper MILF. Lucky bastard.


Yeah.

To be honest, when I first saw the thread "So Armstrong admits..." I thought it would follow with "...to having never walked on the moon"
I was right all along!

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 18/1/2013 7:46:54 AM   
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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 18/1/2013 9:14:44 AM   
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According to the Beeb he's partly blaming his winner take all attitude on cancer.

But the story above notes that one legal case also involved someone overhearing him telling his doctors when diagnosed he was already taking the drugs?

If you're going to try and get some decent apology PR should you not make sure your apology story stacks up?


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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 18/1/2013 9:34:27 AM   
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According to the Beeb he's partly blaming his winner take all attitude on cancer.

But the story above notes that one legal case also involved someone overhearing him telling his doctors when diagnosed he was already taking the drugs?

If you're going to try and get some decent apology PR should you not make sure your apology story stacks up?



I'm no psychiatrist, so I don't know how to put this. But I think he has an mindset that shapes the world around him to fit what he wants. When I was a kid, we'd have called it a bit of a mentalist, but I'm sure in these enlightened times there is a word for it. Anyway, I'm not quite sure that he views the world in a way that you or I would and I don't just think that is the drugs talking, or some post-event rationalisation exercise.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 18/1/2013 1:31:47 PM   
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According to the Beeb he's partly blaming his winner take all attitude on cancer.

But the story above notes that one legal case also involved someone overhearing him telling his doctors when diagnosed he was already taking the drugs?

If you're going to try and get some decent apology PR should you not make sure your apology story stacks up?



I'm no psychiatrist, so I don't know how to put this. But I think he has an mindset that shapes the world around him to fit what he wants. When I was a kid, we'd have called it a bit of a mentalist, but I'm sure in these enlightened times there is a word for it. Anyway, I'm not quite sure that he views the world in a way that you or I would and I don't just think that is the drugs talking, or some post-event rationalisation exercise.


A bit of a dick-splat?

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 18/1/2013 2:04:55 PM   
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 If he had planned the Oprah interview as some kind of cathartic confessional that might be the first move to bring him back out of the cold, then he seriously needs to sack his PR team.  There was absolutely no contrition to be seen in the entire thing.  And to try and justify cheating as something he did to make sure he was on a level playing field rather than something he did to gain a competitive edge is just disgusting.  But even that wasn't close to be the most offensive excuse he came up with for his actions.  As elab says, he makes out that the reason that he bullied the rest of the team into cheating or shutting up was that his recovery from cancer somehow made him more competitive.  Me, I think he was just as arrogant an arsehole (or should that be dick-splat?) before his cells metastasised as he was after. 

Personally, I hope that those that suffered because of his actions now get all the payback they deserve.

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RE: So Armstrong admits he doped - 18/1/2013 2:50:52 PM   
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But isn't the point that those who were not willing to sacrifice their bodies in such a way and cheat were forced out of the sport as they just could not compete on such an uneven playing field and their sheer presence didn't suit the cheats.

Armstrong with his 7 Tour wins, his multi-million sponsorships, his speaking engagements off this success, etc. clearly benefitted most from cheating, so he has to fall heavily.

Plus he's had ample opportunity to come clean. Indeed he took journalists to court who were trying to write the truth as part of his big cover up.


Also he received quite a lot in damages from them for making the claim (they are apparently now coming after him for that money back plus extra for the damage to their reputations).

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