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RE: Another one bites the dust - 16/1/2013 10:07:14 PM   
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HMV Ireland are in administration too.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-16-angry-grandfather-walks-out-of-hmv-with-3-games-after-staff-refuse-to-accept-gift-voucher

The bad news the administration is being handle by Deloitte. The same people who bought Comet for £2 and that went under. They also took over Game and following the same business model with less stores.


Deloitte are the administrators, they are not buying out HMV or Blockbuster, nor did they buy Comet or GAME. OpCapita bought both the latter.


Blockbuster were always going to go under, in this day of Sky Movies, Now TV, Netflix and Lovefilm Instant all allowing instant access to unlimited films for a monthly fee that's the equivalent to the price of just two rentals at Blockbuster they had no way to adapt and survive.

[EDIT: Just read the first bit of that post back to myself, it reads rather arsey, it wasnt meant to come accross that way. Apologies Ghidorah]

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 9:49:43 AM   
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Blockbuster have sent out e-mails saying the rental by post business will still be continuing as normal at the moment, which is quite reassuring.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 9:51:35 AM   
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What the hell is this Fopp, people keep talking about?

EDIT: Oh, there's only 8 of them in the country.  I see.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 10:04:34 AM   
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Blockbuster Video now as well. Anyone fancy starting a business Dead Pool?


Going by my local shopping centre:

1. River Island
2. Next
3. Boots
4. Argos
5. Debenhams
6. Game
7. Early Learning Centre
8. WH Smith
9. JD Sports
10. Shmooz

I doubt the Debenhams behemoth will go South but I'll throw it up there. River Island is my wild card. I was going to put B&Q but swithered and stuck JD Sports in instead.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 10:04:48 AM   
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What the hell is this Fopp, people keep talking about?

EDIT: Oh, there's only 8 of them in the country.  I see.


From my experience Fopp is just HMV with even higher prices and the odd obscure Film/CD for sale. Never gotten the fuss about the store at all, but it seems to be one if those shops where it's cool to shop there.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 10:43:52 AM   
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What the hell is this Fopp, people keep talking about?

EDIT: Oh, there's only 8 of them in the country.  I see.


From my experience Fopp is just HMV with even higher prices and the odd obscure Film/CD for sale. Never gotten the fuss about the store at all, but it seems to be one if those shops where it's cool to shop there.


That's pretty much the opposite of Fopp - it must be quite an odd shop you visited

The reason Fopp is valued is because it is pretty much the opposite.

Invader, there are only 8 shops left. HMV bought it out when it went into administration a couple of years ago and closed most of the shops. 2 were left open in Glasgow though.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 10:46:05 AM   
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What the hell is this Fopp, people keep talking about?

EDIT: Oh, there's only 8 of them in the country.  I see.


From my experience Fopp is just HMV with even higher prices and the odd obscure Film/CD for sale. Never gotten the fuss about the store at all, but it seems to be one if those shops where it's cool to shop there.


That's pretty much the opposite of Fopp - it must be quite an odd shop you visited

The reason Fopp is valued is because it is pretty much the opposite.

Invader, there are only 8 shops left. HMV bought it out when it went into administration a couple of years ago and closed most of the shops. 2 were left open in Glasgow though.


Have things changed much? Admittedly the last time I went was about 2004/2005, but after trying to give it a few chances I just cut my losses with the store as it just was ridiculous pricing.


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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 10:53:58 AM   
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The Fopp that used to be in Cardiff were always excellent on prices. It was pretty much in the middle between HMV and Virgin and cds you'd find going for a tenner and over in those two were usually around the £5 mark in Fopp. Other than Spillers it was my main source for music at the time. The dvds were always excellent prices in comparison as well.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 10:55:29 AM   
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Going by my local shopping centre:

1. River Island
2. Next
3. Boots
4. Argos
5. Debenhams
6. Game
7. Early Learning Centre
8. WH Smith
9. JD Sports
10. Shmooz



You might be over stretching with Argos and Next there!

My top 10, in no particular order, would be:

1. WH Smith
2. Waterstones
3. Early Learning Centre
4. Robert Dyas
5. JD Sports
6. Sports Direct
7. Monsoon/Accessorize
8. Ann Summers
9. Mothercare
10. Game

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 10:56:07 AM   
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I don't think so - I've been going to the same couple of stores for over a decade now. There's always some back stock that might be a higher price, but that's nothing compared to the shelves and shelves of discount stock which is the main selling point of the store.

Eg I was in Fopp Union st on Monday - got 6 DVDs, 1 BR, came in under £40.

The only difference post-HMV is that they've shoved boxes of unsold steelbooks to Fopp to be sold at a fraction of the price.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 11:09:06 AM   
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Going by my local shopping centre:

1. River Island
2. Next
3. Boots
4. Argos
5. Debenhams
6. Game
7. Early Learning Centre
8. WH Smith
9. JD Sports
10. Shmooz



You might be over stretching with Argos and Next there!

My top 10, in no particular order, would be:

1. WH Smith
2. Waterstones
3. Early Learning Centre
4. Robert Dyas
5. JD Sports
6. Sports Direct
7. Monsoon/Accessorize
8. Ann Summers
9. Mothercare
10. Game




I think your list is more accurate Pauly. Clothing is one of the few retail markets that are thriving, you'll unlikely see any of those go under anytime soon, particularly not Next who are one of the UKs biggest and most profitable companies.

The only exception there is sports shops as you say, which is a shame as they cater for all the idiots for their everyday wear, meaning we can always spot them. If sports shops go they'll start blending in by wearing clothes that aren't track suits.

Sadly I think you're right about WH Smith and Waterstone's, the last two remaining corner stones of any culture on our high streets.

It'll be a sad day also if specialist shops like Mothercare go.

The one chain I'm concerned about, and I'm really praying doesn't go under is B&Q.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 11:10:55 AM   
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I don't think so - I've been going to the same couple of stores for over a decade now. There's always some back stock that might be a higher price, but that's nothing compared to the shelves and shelves of discount stock which is the main selling point of the store.

Eg I was in Fopp Union st on Monday - got 6 DVDs, 1 BR, came in under £40.

The only difference post-HMV is that they've shoved boxes of unsold steelbooks to Fopp to be sold at a fraction of the price.



That sounds expensive though, I wouldn't expect to pay more than about £30-34 for 6 DVDs and a Blu Ray, but then for me I now wouldn't spend anymore than £3 on a DVD as it's an old technology.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 11:13:26 AM   
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You might be over stretching with Argos and Next there!



Argos are moving soon to close down a lot of their stores and expand the online business. I used to work for them many years ago and the people behind their business model seem fairly clued-up. One of the most tight-fisted companies I've ever worked for, that's for sure.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 11:14:56 AM   
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Depressingly, if I never chose clothing stores, I'd be struggling to get a list of 10 stores in my local shopping centre.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 11:27:52 AM   
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I think your list is more accurate Pauly. Clothing is one of the few retail markets that are thriving, you'll unlikely see any of those go under anytime soon, particularly not Next who are one of the UKs biggest and most profitable companies.



I think eventually (some considerable time from now mind) you'll even see the likes of Next reducing their high street footprint, transitioning to online sales more and more. I know people still like trying stuff like that before buying, but they like cheaper prices and sitting on their arse just as much.

Same goes for the supermarkets, give it 50 years and we'll all be having our shopping delivered (ordered from the 10,568,986th generation iPad built-in to our fridge), only smaller stores and local shops for emergency basics (like milk, sugar etc.) will remain.

That's all a long, long way off yet, but I think it'll happen eventually.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 11:52:34 AM   
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I think eventually (some considerable time from now mind) you'll even see the likes of Next reducing their high street footprint, transitioning to online sales more and more. I know people still like trying stuff like that before buying, but they like cheaper prices and sitting on their arse just as much.


I agree with this. I shop almost exclusively online, not because I particularly like sitting on my arse all day, but I fucking detest shopping with a passion, clothes shopping especially, and always have. The only time I really venture out now is for the very rare occasion that I need to get shoes, simply because I find shoe sizes to be more of a 'guideline' and have to try them on. Often the same with the children's clothes too, but my boy gets so much bought for him at Xmas and birthdays than I only have to top up every once in a while.


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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 12:02:46 PM   
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When I was out of work last year I applied multiple times for jobs with HMV and Blockbuster.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 12:12:20 PM   
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Blockbuster Video now as well. Anyone fancy starting a business Dead Pool?


Going by my local shopping centre:

1. River Island
2. Next
3. Boots
4. Argos
5. Debenhams
6. Game
7. Early Learning Centre
8. WH Smith
9. JD Sports
10. Shmooz

I doubt the Debenhams behemoth will go South but I'll throw it up there. River Island is my wild card. I was going to put B&Q but swithered and stuck JD Sports in instead.


The ELC shop in our shopping centre here has closed down. Bit of a shock as the place was pretty busy the last time we walked past it. Mind you, compared to the larger toy shop chains over here (namely Smyths) they were considerably more expensive.



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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 2:43:04 PM   
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HMV Ireland are in administration too.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-16-angry-grandfather-walks-out-of-hmv-with-3-games-after-staff-refuse-to-accept-gift-voucher

The bad news the administration is being handle by Deloitte. The same people who bought Comet for £2 and that went under. They also took over Game and following the same business model with less stores.


Deloitte are the administrators, they are not buying out HMV or Blockbuster, nor did they buy Comet or GAME. OpCapita bought both the latter.


Blockbuster were always going to go under, in this day of Sky Movies, Now TV, Netflix and Lovefilm Instant all allowing instant access to unlimited films for a monthly fee that's the equivalent to the price of just two rentals at Blockbuster they had no way to adapt and survive.

[EDIT: Just read the first bit of that post back to myself, it reads rather arsey, it wasnt meant to come accross that way. Apologies Ghidorah]



My fault for not putting down the correct facts.


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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 3:24:40 PM   
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Same goes for the supermarkets, give it 50 years and we'll all be having our shopping delivered (ordered from the 10,568,986th generation iPad built-in to our fridge), only smaller stores and local shops for emergency basics (like milk, sugar etc.) will remain.


As long as it is not in my lifetime! I'm one of the odd people who prefers actually visiting a supermarket rather than ordering online (don't think I have ever ordered my groceries online).

What I tend to do with Next is order stuff online. Have it delivered to a local store, try it on and then decide if I'm going to keep it. This saves the hassle of trying to be in when it is delivered and also my local store isn't that large so doesn't have the best selection.

One of the guys here at work mentioned that some online stores are offering 50% value on HMV vouchers. He was going to tell me which ones but has buggered off to a meeting


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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 4:01:00 PM   
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http://www.yourmoney.com/your-money/news/2237109/independent-retailer-accepting-hmv-gift-vouchers-for-50-off

A bit geographically limited I'm afraid.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 5:08:58 PM   
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It`s very sad that such an iconic and much loved music and film retailer has financially collapsed. They needed to invest more in music downloads and keep their prices down they became too expensive. As long as my famlies company, Empire and Cineworld with their Unlimited cards keep going then are be happy. Don`t rent much anyway but I may when I do go to Love Film from Blockbuster as Now Movies is pricy from Sky and Netflick has a crap selection.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 17/1/2013 11:57:12 PM   
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HMV Ireland are in administration too.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-16-angry-grandfather-walks-out-of-hmv-with-3-games-after-staff-refuse-to-accept-gift-voucher

The bad news the administration is being handle by Deloitte. The same people who bought Comet for £2 and that went under. They also took over Game and following the same business model with less stores.


Deloitte are the administrators, they are not buying out HMV or Blockbuster, nor did they buy Comet or GAME. OpCapita bought both the latter.


Blockbuster were always going to go under, in this day of Sky Movies, Now TV, Netflix and Lovefilm Instant all allowing instant access to unlimited films for a monthly fee that's the equivalent to the price of just two rentals at Blockbuster they had no way to adapt and survive.

[EDIT: Just read the first bit of that post back to myself, it reads rather arsey, it wasnt meant to come accross that way. Apologies Ghidorah]



My fault for not putting down the correct facts.





I may of got my facts wrong but history repeat itself.


OpCapita has shown interest in purchasing some of the HMV stores in areas to strengthen GAME.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/17/uk-hmv-game-idUKBRE90G1AA20130117

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 18/1/2013 10:17:30 AM   
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HMV Ireland are in administration too.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-16-angry-grandfather-walks-out-of-hmv-with-3-games-after-staff-refuse-to-accept-gift-voucher

The bad news the administration is being handle by Deloitte. The same people who bought Comet for £2 and that went under. They also took over Game and following the same business model with less stores.


Deloitte are the administrators, they are not buying out HMV or Blockbuster, nor did they buy Comet or GAME. OpCapita bought both the latter.


Blockbuster were always going to go under, in this day of Sky Movies, Now TV, Netflix and Lovefilm Instant all allowing instant access to unlimited films for a monthly fee that's the equivalent to the price of just two rentals at Blockbuster they had no way to adapt and survive.

[EDIT: Just read the first bit of that post back to myself, it reads rather arsey, it wasnt meant to come accross that way. Apologies Ghidorah]



My fault for not putting down the correct facts.





I may of got my facts wrong but history repeat itself.


OpCapita has shown interest in purchasing some of the HMV stores in areas to strengthen GAME.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/17/uk-hmv-game-idUKBRE90G1AA20130117


Bizarrely this actually isn't Opcapita's doing, despite them owning Game, the chief decision maker is the same guy that steered them into administration in the first place. And how did he do that? Greed and expanding the company quicker than it was capable of doing so.

More gut wrenching however is this story for the ex Game employees. They refused a bid from OpCapita (the administrators) back when Game were in administration, then they shut down a hell of a lot of stores and accepted a follow up his from OpCapita. Now they're looking to open new stores.


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RE: Another one bites the dust - 18/1/2013 10:52:19 AM   
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It'll be a sad day also if specialist shops like Mothercare go.





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The ELC shop in our shopping centre here has closed down. Bit of a shock as the place was pretty busy the last time we walked past it. Mind you, compared to the larger toy shop chains over here (namely Smyths) they were considerably more expensive.




I think Mothercare have been in difficulties. They also own the Early Learning Centre brand and both stores in my town shut fairly recently. It may be that this tactic has helped them weather the storm, but they've definitely got less of a high street presence.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 19/1/2013 11:49:20 PM   
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I was under the impression that HMV also owned Waterstones to some degree or other, anyone know any more about that?

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 19/1/2013 11:58:09 PM   
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RE: Another one bites the dust - 20/1/2013 11:21:40 AM   
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Blockbuster Video now as well. Anyone fancy starting a business Dead Pool?


Going by my local shopping centre:

1. River Island
2. Next
3. Boots
4. Argos
5. Debenhams
6. Game
7. Early Learning Centre
8. WH Smith
9. JD Sports
10. Shmooz

I doubt the Debenhams behemoth will go South but I'll throw it up there. River Island is my wild card. I was going to put B&Q but swithered and stuck JD Sports in instead.


I think as long as JD Sports continue to stock grey tracksuits they'll be fine, especially here in Essex

Seriously though, clothes shops are probably the one area that is generally safe, just go somewhere like Bluewater (where the majority of stores are for clothes) at the weekend, and its usually heaving.

As for WH Smith, I remember reading that they do really well with their airport stores (where the prices are ridiculously hiked), and this props up any shortcomings in their high St stores.

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RE: Another one bites the dust - 20/1/2013 11:09:07 PM   
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I was under the impression that HMV also owned Waterstones to some degree or other, anyone know any more about that?


Waterstones was bought over by a wealthy Russian chap through some company of his (exact details escape me) and is run by James Daunt who started Daunt Books - not a shop I've ever seen myself mind you.

I would put a lot of money on Waterstones being the next to go, unfortunately. And I say that as somebody who worked for them for over a year.

They're ruining themselves. We used to sell a range of e-readers in store, Sony, Elonex's etc, but they were all a bit crap and buggy. So Daunt took over and decided to pull them. Before Christmas. Obviously the time they would have sold shit loads. The decision was made to make a Waterstone's own e-reader - I guess to directly rival the kindle. So customers would be tied in to buying their books from Waterstones and therefore retain more money for the company. However something went wrong and it didn't work out (probably didn't have the costs for development of the product), and then they decided to sell the kindle. What the fuck? I've not looked into this, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming for Waterstones to sell the kindle, Amazon must have had to concede something, like letting customers download from the Waterstones website too? However I would imagine the downloads are available cheaper on Amazon, so they're just directly helping their rival.

It'll be a really sad day when you can no longer browse in a large bookshop anymore. I already witnessed and experienced the demise of Borders, so I'm glad I'm no longer with Waterstones because it won't be long.....

I do miss working in amongst books though.

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Waterstones was bought over by a wealthy Russian chap through some company of his (exact details escape me) and is run by James Daunt who started Daunt Books - not a shop I've ever seen myself mind you.



Great little shop. They could so with a few stores outside of London though.

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