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that he's brought an agenda (which, if he has, isn't clear from the questions, and your misquoting of KGM doesn't help),
Please show me exactly what I've misquoted.
Looking through, that was my mistake - I had thought he said "Do you just get a kick out of it? You just enjoy it? Or--", whereas the actual question was "You just get a kick out of it? Or you just enjoy it? Or…". Arguably, the distinction that a 'do' should add is minimal, but if you want to read an agenda into that (after being told asking Tarantino why he uses violence is like 'asking Judd Apatow why he makes comedies'), go right ahead.
My thinking he's got an agenda is because he admits he's asking him about it all because of the wider debate in politics. Tarantino has spoken about this recently and he seemed extremely angry and found it disrespectful to the dead that some people are trying to shift the debate about murdered children away from gun control towards another tiresome round of blaming art for the actions of lunatics. Now all that's going on is I'm seeing the questioning, and the way the questions are phrased, as attempting to provoke. I think the agenda is that he's trying to take what Tarantino saw as yet another pr interview for the film and turn it into something more serious. Something he was obviously both unprepared for and unwilling to take part in. It feels like an ambush and the general tone of "oh but he should have answered because of this, this or this" seems unwilling to simply say "he didn't want to, his choice." Basically, I don't think this should even have been a thing.
So, everyone has said he didn't have to, his choice. That doesn't mean Tarantino's thereby immune from all criticism on the way he handled it or in the answers he did give before that. And it's fine that you perceive an agenda - personally, as someone who has seen the exact same responses in games journalism leading to and following Biden's discussions with industry representatives today, I think that while there's no case to answer about direct causation and there never has been, culture doesn't exist in a hermetically-sealed environment and there's something to be probed regarding the general societal impact of a culture that fetishises gun violence (something I would've thought Tarantino would have agreed with on the back of Inglourious Basterds, but after his pretty shallow answers about why he uses violence I'm not so sure). And yeah, rereading the transcript, KGM could have done a lot better in terms of the way his questions were presented - the one that prompts the refusal is combative, and while he attempts to reframe it with the 'Jamie Foxx says' question, the damage is done. But Tarantino's responses - all of them - cast aspersions on why he uses violence and makes him look like a child when he had a perfect opportunity to school KGM.
And I honestly don't give a shit that Tarantino felt 'ambushed'. It's an interview. No interviewer is obliged to go nice on him. I don't know why that's part of the case you're advancing.
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As for Apatow. His mother worked in a comedy club for a while and he fell in love with stand-up. Managed to interview a lot of big name comedians when he was still very young. He essentially grew up in the culture. He did give a very interesting WTF interview a while back.
See, that's great, but there's something more fundamental about why ways of storytelling appeal to us. If Apatow told me, an interviewer asking him why he makes comedies, what you just wrote, I would ask him again why he makes comedies. "I grew up in the culture" doesn't explain why a genre appeals to a storyteller any more than "it's fun" or "it's cathartic" explains why violence is used by a storyteller. No shit it's cathartic. That's a basic tenet of storytelling. Congratulations, Aristotle.
But all of this is really frippery and sophistry outside of the simple idea that Tarantino's tantrum made him look silly. That's it. Tantrums generally do that because adults generally don't throw tantrums. I'm not going to sit here and say 'oh yes you were right to fly off the handle at the guy who asked a question you didn't like.'
But I'm pretty sure there's zero likelihood of us seeing eye to eye on this.
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