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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 23/12/2012 8:35:11 AM   
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This is the thing I find most horrifying: - http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/sales-of-kids-bullet-proof-backpacks-soar/2012/12/20/6cba668a-4a1e-11e2-820e-17eefac2f939_story.html

A woman I know is campaigning to have bottles removed from pubs and clubs in city centres after her husband was killed by a drunk bloke, picking a fight, smashing a bottle and slashing his throat. Her campaign is gathering momentum. The Government can see the sense in potentially saving lives as well as saving the NHS millions. Clubs have been serving in plastics for some time now so it won't make much difference there and pubs are joining in on the campaign. Health and safety for their employees etc.

Now if we can be sensible enough in this country to realise that glass + drunk person = potential injury/death, why the hell isn't it bloody obvious that gun + drunk person = probable injury/death and stop guns in bars?!



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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 23/12/2012 2:31:04 PM   
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ALLENTOWN, Penn./KANSAS CITY, Missouri (Reuters) - Gun enthusiasts thronged to shows around the country on Saturday to buy assault weapons they fear will soon be outlawed after a massacre of school children in Connecticut prompted calls for tighter controls on firearms.
Reuters reporters went to gun shows in Pennsylvania, Missouri and Texas, and found long lines to get in the door, crowds around the dealer booths, a rush to buy assault weapons even at higher prices and some dealers selling out.
The busiest table at the R.K. Gun & Knife show at an exposition center near the Kansas City, Missouri airport was offering assault weapons near the entrance.
West Plains, Missouri dealer Keith's Guns sold out of about 20 AR-15 style assault rifles in a little over an hour, owner Keith Gray said.
An AR-15 type assault weapon was among the guns authorities believe suspect Adam Lanza stole from his mother to use in the massacre of 20 school children and six adults at a Newtown, Connecticut elementary school on December 14.


What a sick society it must be,

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 8/1/2013 7:45:17 PM   
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It takes quite a person to make you root for Piers Morgan

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/08/alex-jones-piers-morgan-profile

Whilst there are certainly some dark powers such as Bilderberg at work today, as he says, I don't see how restricting guns will lead to government tyranny

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 9/1/2013 1:16:49 PM   
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It takes quite a person to make you root for Piers Morgan

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/08/alex-jones-piers-morgan-profile

Whilst there are certainly some dark powers such as Bilderberg at work today, as he says, I don't see how restricting guns will lead to government tyranny


That makes fantastic listening. Alex Jones is a loony.

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 9/1/2013 2:57:10 PM   
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quote:

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It takes quite a person to make you root for Piers Morgan

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/08/alex-jones-piers-morgan-profile

Whilst there are certainly some dark powers such as Bilderberg at work today, as he says, I don't see how restricting guns will lead to government tyranny


That makes fantastic listening. Alex Jones is a loony.


I was just about to post that very link... Alex Jones is a fucking loon. He's deffo the David Ike of America but they still give him air time.

What does he think the Goverment will do exactly if there are no guns??? 

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 10/1/2013 8:32:57 AM   
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It's in their government's interests to let the people keep the guns, they give people such a warped sense of 'freedom' they don't even notice when various other rights are whipped out right from under them.

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 10/1/2013 9:23:10 PM   
sanchia


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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20975608

Another shooting. Thankfully no one appears to be dead this time. It appears there are a couple of differences in that the gunman was targeting a specific person and it was a shotgun used rather than assault rifle.

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 16/1/2013 6:49:04 PM   
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Well, at least he's trying.

Probably going to go nowhere, but no-one can accuse him of doing nothing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21049942

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 16/1/2013 6:57:11 PM   
sanchia


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On Wednesday, the NRA released a web advert attacking the president as "an elitist hypocrite" for allowing Secret Service agents to protect his daughters, while not committing to back armed guards in all US schools.

The White House said the ad was "repugnant and cowardly".


That is a pretty sick thing which appears to be summing up the NRA at this time.

Also the proposals, to me, seem quite balanced. They do not remove the right to own weapons just to own weapons of extreme destructive power which are specifically for the purpose of killing many people quickly. I gather the NRA pledge to do anything to assist just after the event has turned out to be hollow and hypocritical.

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 17/1/2013 9:36:50 AM   
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From the comments section:

I live in the U.S. & believe in the motto Live Free or Die. Taking away my assault rifles would be an assault on my freedom. Anyone who's seen Red Dawn, Independence Day or the Walking Dead knows you need high capacity magazines & assault rifles. While these movies are fictional they're representative of what could happen. Where would those pacifist liberals be then? Begging for my protection!

Using Independence Day and The Walking Dead as reasons to own assault rifles. Brilliant.

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 17/1/2013 9:45:05 AM   
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But it wasn't assault rifles that defeated the aliens in Independence Day, it was Steve Jobs.

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 17/1/2013 12:13:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

From the comments section:

I live in the U.S. & believe in the motto Live Free or Die. Taking away my assault rifles would be an assault on my freedom. Anyone who's seen Red Dawn, Independence Day or the Walking Dead knows you need high capacity magazines & assault rifles. While these movies are fictional they're representative of what could happen. Where would those pacifist liberals be then? Begging for my protection!

Using Independence Day and The Walking Dead as reasons to own assault rifles. Brilliant.


That is already my Comment of the Day!

Maybe it's just me, but as a home owner, I'm more concerned that if I had an assault rifle and someone broke in and I unleashed merry hell with it, I'm going to have to do a lot of polyfilling and painting afterwards...



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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 17/1/2013 1:34:30 PM   
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But it wasn't assault rifles that defeated the aliens in Independence Day, it was Steve Jobs.


Yeah, but he's dead now, so all we've got is assault rifles again - back to square 1.

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 17/1/2013 1:44:41 PM   
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All I can think is that if these people really want these weapons for home protection, they clearly don't care about their homes.



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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 17/1/2013 3:00:25 PM   
Timon


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

From the comments section:

I live in the U.S. & believe in the motto Live Free or Die. Taking away my assault rifles would be an assault on my freedom. Anyone who's seen Red Dawn, Independence Day or the Walking Dead knows you need high capacity magazines & assault rifles. While these movies are fictional they're representative of what could happen. Where would those pacifist liberals be then? Begging for my protection!

Using Independence Day and The Walking Dead as reasons to own assault rifles. Brilliant.



Anyone else picturing Burt from Tremors?



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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 17/1/2013 5:35:13 PM   
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quote:

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But it wasn't assault rifles that defeated the aliens in Independence Day, it was Steve Jobs.


Yeah, but he's dead now, so all we've got is assault rifles again - back to square 1.


Surely we need Voodoo rather than assault rifles so we can have Zombie Steve Jobs?

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 17/1/2013 8:48:43 PM   
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But it wasn't assault rifles that defeated the aliens in Independence Day, it was Steve Jobs.


Yeah, but he's dead now, so all we've got is assault rifles again - back to square 1.

Unless we just throw Steve Jobs at them.

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 22/1/2013 10:06:39 PM   
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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 24/1/2013 2:41:13 PM   
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So... he pulled a gun during an argument and shot the other guy and other people who were passing by.

So... if EVERYONE was allowed to carry guns, this would have stopped this how?

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 24/1/2013 3:23:38 PM   
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As ever, Eddie Izzard's bit keeps coming up. "Pointing your finger at someone and shouting "BANG" isn't going to have the same effect." (I paraphrase.)

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 24/1/2013 4:04:01 PM   
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So... he pulled a gun during an argument and shot the other guy and other people who were passing by.

So... if EVERYONE was allowed to carry guns, this would have stopped this how?

I suppose everyone would have shot each other until there was only one person left, who hopefully would be so depressed that he'd shoot himself, thus ending the human race.

Then cockroaches would inherit the earth.

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 9/2/2013 4:18:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

From the comments section:

I live in the U.S. & believe in the motto Live Free or Die. Taking away my assault rifles would be an assault on my freedom. Anyone who's seen Red Dawn, Independence Day or the Walking Dead knows you need high capacity magazines & assault rifles. While these movies are fictional they're representative of what could happen. Where would those pacifist liberals be then? Begging for my protection!

Using Independence Day and The Walking Dead as reasons to own assault rifles. Brilliant.




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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 11/2/2013 12:41:29 PM   
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quote:

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But it wasn't assault rifles that defeated the aliens in Independence Day, it was Steve Jobs.


Yeah, but he's dead now, so all we've got is assault rifles again - back to square 1.


Surely we need Voodoo rather than assault rifles so we can have Zombie Steve Jobs?


But judging by that Yanks comment, zombies might be the reason to have assault weapons in the first place. Sure Jobs can fuck up the aliens but we would still need our guns to fight him! Shiiiiiii-

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 11/3/2013 9:00:01 PM   
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This Panorama documentary is wholly inaccurate, especially where the history of the murderers is involved, and it's pretty awful to be honest. They've spent 10-15 minutes building up with gushing torrents of emotion followed by going to the furthest extreme they could find and drilling it home with subtle one-liners like "the gun show is the American family day out." How many American citizens actually own an AR15 assault weapon? I'd be intrigued to actually know the statistics because so far this episode of Panorama has actually offered no real evidence of anything, apart from some heavily-edited secret filming footage and wayward interviews. Having lived in America and traveled the country meeting and interacting with many different kinds of people these were not the cases I have found generally, I knew people who owned guns, most for sport, but some because they were gun enthusiasts but they rarely showed them, even the hunters just went off and did their thing. What happened in Newtown, in Colrado, in Virginia, in Colombine and every other shooting in America is truly tragic and horrific and I cannot state enough how much empathy I feel for the families in question, and I can totally understand why they are fighting for their beliefs in gun control, but I don't think it's as clear cut as many like to think it is, especially those outside it's borders.

I also expected the documentary to actually focus more on the history of gun control, it was quite disappointing in that respect as I expected something that wasn't politically-motivated, unfortunately that wasn't the case.

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 12/3/2013 1:21:29 AM   
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Panorama has been gash for some years now. It's in dire need of a new editorial team or just being binned off altogether.

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 12/3/2013 2:01:52 AM   
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To be fair I hadn't actually sat down and properly watched a Panorama in awhile but I wholeheartedly agree, it was terrible. The Panoramas I remember were neutral, well-balanced, articulate pieces of documentary work that dealt in statistics and expert opinion, rather than in truncated claims, conjecture and cheap shots.



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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 26/3/2013 12:02:39 PM   
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Jim Carrey enters the debate -

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/03/25/jim-carrey-takes-aim-at-gun-control-debate-on-funny-or-die/

Hm. Not sure if mocking a dead man is the best way to go about it, personally, as much as I may agree with his general stance.

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 28/3/2013 3:22:51 PM   
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Not surprisingly, Faux News went a bit mental about that. I mean, if you're not American, how dare you have an opinion..

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 28/3/2013 8:57:09 PM   
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Not surprisingly, Faux News went a bit mental about that. I mean, if you're not American, how dare you have an opinion..


Yeah because mocking the dead always goes a long way in sustaining your argument, whether your an American, or not. People want this to be taken seriously don't they? Piss-taking trash like that doesn't benefit anyone if you ask me.

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RE: US Primary School Shooting. - 28/3/2013 10:34:42 PM   
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You can't mock people because they're dead?

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