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ORIGINAL: darthbane

It's been reported in the paper this morning that the killer used to "play violent video games, such as call of duty"

I've played COD. Maybe I should hand myself in now before anything happens.


Lazy, pointless, sensationalism. Fuckin nothing-stories, on the front page! Pisses me off!

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ORIGINAL: darthbane

It's been reported in the paper this morning that the killer used to "play violent video games, such as call of duty"

I've played COD. Maybe I should hand myself in now before anything happens.

Lazy, pointless, sensationalism. Fuckin nothing-stories, on the front page! Pisses me off!

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ORIGINAL: steffols

http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/thinking-unthinkable.html

This is a very personal and emotional insight into living with a child who has mental problems. It brings home that gun control isn't the only problem surrounding mass shootings like this one. That twat Nick Ferrari on This Morning earlier said that people bringing up mental illness issues was people trying to ignore the real problem. When both are the real problem. I don't know much about the US healthcare system but I know enough that people with serious health problems are ending up basically homeless because they can't afford medication and rehabilitation. So if people who seriously ill medically are struggling to get the help they need, what help are the seriously ill mentally getting? It's not a nice picture. It makes America look very backward in their treatment of their own population. We in Britain are slowly but surely getting rid of mental health discrimination, but if what the author of the piece above is saying is true and that the only hope for mentally ill people is prison in the States, it makes you think how far we have really come.

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ORIGINAL: Titanm21

A friend of mine argued that Britain is no safer than America because we had Dunblane and the Taxi Cumbria Shooting.

They couldn’t quite grasp that a) Dunblane (the only school shooting we’ve had that I know of) resulted the immediate ban of Pistols which would have had a direct result on the Taxi Shootings in Cumbria (as an example). By that I mean that the nut job had a legal owned Shotgun, imagine if the pistol ban wasn’t there. He’d still kill people but with a pistol he would have killed double the victims in half the time. (Carrying more rounds and more mobile than a shotgun).

My point was that we couldn’t stop that nutter from killing people but because of a change in the law the weapon he had access to limited the damage he could do, in turn the Dunblane shooter was a gun fan but couldn’t own an automatic weapon because that was banned in the 80’s after the Yorkshire Village shooting with that guy and the AK47. Imagine if he had walked into that Primary school with an fully auto weapon?!

I guess what I’m trying to say is that if America won’t fully ban guns then restricting the access to what/how much they can own could reduce the damage done in the future. And in correlation with improving the mental health care in the states and maybe free help groups like the Samaritans here they could have a significant reduction of people who feel like going on killing sprees.

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ORIGINAL: Titanm21

A friend of mine argued that Britain is no safer than America because we had Dunblane and the Taxi Cumbria Shooting.

They couldn’t quite grasp that a) Dunblane (the only school shooting we’ve had that I know of) resulted the immediate ban of Pistols which would have had a direct result on the Taxi Shootings in Cumbria (as an example). By that I mean that the nut job had a legal owned Shotgun, imagine if the pistol ban wasn’t there. He’d still kill people but with a pistol he would have killed double the victims in half the time. (Carrying more rounds and more mobile than a shotgun).

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ORIGINAL: Ghidorah

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ORIGINAL: Titanm21

A friend of mine argued that Britain is no safer than America because we had Dunblane and the Taxi Cumbria Shooting.

They couldn’t quite grasp that a) Dunblane (the only school shooting we’ve had that I know of) resulted the immediate ban of Pistols which would have had a direct result on the Taxi Shootings in Cumbria (as an example). By that I mean that the nut job had a legal owned Shotgun, imagine if the pistol ban wasn’t there. He’d still kill people but with a pistol he would have killed double the victims in half the time. (Carrying more rounds and more mobile than a shotgun).

There are some mistruths in your post.

Thomas Hamilton intended to use a rifle for the Dunblane massacre. It might of been something else but he intended to walk in and use serious fire power. His weapon mulfunction and he resorted to his back up weapons, the pistols.

Pistols aren't banned in the UK but are heavily restricted and you will need a valid reason to own one.

In general pistols are less powerful than shotguns. Derrick Bird may of shot more people with a pistol but there would be greater amount of survivors.


Overall our governments in the recent decades had made the right moves to restrict the access to firearms. These measures has prevented protential repeats of Hungerford and limit criminals access to arms to a small amount.

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ORIGINAL: Ghidorah

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ORIGINAL: Titanm21

A friend of mine argued that Britain is no safer than America because we had Dunblane and the Taxi Cumbria Shooting.

They couldn’t quite grasp that a) Dunblane (the only school shooting we’ve had that I know of) resulted the immediate ban of Pistols which would have had a direct result on the Taxi Shootings in Cumbria (as an example). By that I mean that the nut job had a legal owned Shotgun, imagine if the pistol ban wasn’t there. He’d still kill people but with a pistol he would have killed double the victims in half the time. (Carrying more rounds and more mobile than a shotgun).

There are some mistruths in your post.

Thomas Hamilton intended to use a rifle for the Dunblane massacre. It might of been something else but he intended to walk in and use serious fire power. His weapon mulfunction and he resorted to his back up weapons, the pistols.

Pistols aren't banned in the UK but are heavily restricted and you will need a valid reason to own one.

In general pistols are less powerful than shotguns. Derrick Bird may of shot more people with a pistol but there would be greater amount of survivors.


Overall our governments in the recent decades had made the right moves to restrict the access to firearms. These measures has prevented protential repeats of Hungerford and limit criminals access to arms to a small amount.

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ORIGINAL: Sinatra

Fuck me, what a fucked up country that is when it come to guns... madness if a mentally ill kid had open access to those types of weapons.

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ORIGINAL: Titanm21

A friend of mine argued that Britain is no safer than America because we had Dunblane and the Taxi Cumbria Shooting.

They couldn’t quite grasp that a) Dunblane (the only school shooting we’ve had that I know of) resulted the immediate ban of Pistols which would have had a direct result on the Taxi Shootings in Cumbria (as an example).

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ORIGINAL: sanchia

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ORIGINAL: Sinatra

Fuck me, what a fucked up country that is when it come to guns... madness if a mentally ill kid had open access to those types of weapons.

I heard today that 40% of the guns which are purchased in the US do not required a background check. A frightening statistic.

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ORIGINAL: jonson

I think it's a combination of loads of things, whether that be upbringing, lack of help (with mental issues) economical problems and dare I say it, violent video games and films (and I'm a fan of violent video games and films, but only a fool would say it isn't a reason, even if it's only slight)
I think throw all this together, along with the wrong unhinged person, and you have a psycho. Easy access to guns makes this more of a problem in the US than it does here, but it can't be solely to blame, there must be some evil streak in there first.
To be fair, I think everyone can remember "the loner" at school, the one "most likely to go ape and slaughter people" but thankfully the vast majority find solace in something else.

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ORIGINAL: darthbane

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ORIGINAL: Darth Marenghi

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ORIGINAL: darthbane

In the middle of the reports in today's papers there sits (if they're true), 2 of the crazies sentences I've ever read

Virginia and New Mexico now let people take guns into bars, while Texas and Utah give citizens the right to carry concealed weapons in schools.
In Michigan on Friday a law was passed allowing concealed weapons in schools, churches and hospitals.

Now I don't believe everything I read in the papers, but if that true.....

The bars thing is true - I remember discussing it with some online American chums fairly recently. Mostly in utter horror from my side...

Could it be that America's are trying to come up with the most ridiculous place that you're entitled to carry a gun?

Schools - Mainly filled with children
Church - Mainly promoting good will and peace
Hospitals - Mainly concerned with health and well being
Bars - Mainly associated with alcohol consumption

Fuck it, guns in Disney World!!!
Madness

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ORIGINAL: Keyser Sozzled

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ORIGINAL: jonson

I think it's a combination of loads of things, whether that be upbringing, lack of help (with mental issues) economical problems and dare I say it, violent video games and films (and I'm a fan of violent video games and films, but only a fool would say it isn't a reason, even if it's only slight)
I think throw all this together, along with the wrong unhinged person, and you have a psycho. Easy access to guns makes this more of a problem in the US than it does here, but it can't be solely to blame, there must be some evil streak in there first.
To be fair, I think everyone can remember "the loner" at school, the one "most likely to go ape and slaughter people" but thankfully the vast majority find solace in something else.

One word: Canada.

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ORIGINAL: jonson

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ORIGINAL: Keyser Sozzled

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ORIGINAL: jonson

I think it's a combination of loads of things, whether that be upbringing, lack of help (with mental issues) economical problems and dare I say it, violent video games and films (and I'm a fan of violent video games and films, but only a fool would say it isn't a reason, even if it's only slight)
I think throw all this together, along with the wrong unhinged person, and you have a psycho. Easy access to guns makes this more of a problem in the US than it does here, but it can't be solely to blame, there must be some evil streak in there first.
To be fair, I think everyone can remember "the loner" at school, the one "most likely to go ape and slaughter people" but thankfully the vast majority find solace in something else.

One word: Canada.

What about Canada?

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ORIGINAL: Ghidorah

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ORIGINAL: Titanm21

A friend of mine argued that Britain is no safer than America because we had Dunblane and the Taxi Cumbria Shooting.

They couldn't quite grasp that a) Dunblane (the only school shooting we've had that I know of) resulted the immediate ban of Pistols which would have had a direct result on the Taxi Shootings in Cumbria (as an example). By that I mean that the nut job had a legal owned Shotgun, imagine if the pistol ban wasn't there. He'd still kill people but with a pistol he would have killed double the victims in half the time. (Carrying more rounds and more mobile than a shotgun).

There are some mistruths in your post.

Thomas Hamilton intended to use a rifle for the Dunblane massacre. It might of been something else but he intended to walk in and use serious fire power. His weapon mulfunction and he resorted to his back up weapons, the pistols.

Pistols aren't banned in the UK but are heavily restricted and you will need a valid reason to own one.

In general pistols are less powerful than shotguns. Derrick Bird may of shot more people with a pistol but there would be greater amount of survivors.


Overall our governments in the recent decades had made the right moves to restrict the access to firearms. These measures has prevented protential repeats of Hungerford and limit criminals access to arms to a small amount.

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ORIGINAL: jonson

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ORIGINAL: Keyser Sozzled

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ORIGINAL: jonson

I think it's a combination of loads of things, whether that be upbringing, lack of help (with mental issues) economical problems and dare I say it, violent video games and films (and I'm a fan of violent video games and films, but only a fool would say it isn't a reason, even if it's only slight)
I think throw all this together, along with the wrong unhinged person, and you have a psycho. Easy access to guns makes this more of a problem in the US than it does here, but it can't be solely to blame, there must be some evil streak in there first.
To be fair, I think everyone can remember "the loner" at school, the one "most likely to go ape and slaughter people" but thankfully the vast majority find solace in something else.

One word: Canada.

What about Canada?