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ORIGINAL: elab49

A Scottish DJ apparently got himself in the papers this morning but for possibly doing a decent thing - withdrawing his tedious 'victim-free' hoax calls. While claiming his are in fun it's all depends which side of the coin you're on - I've heard some of his and it's making fun of people at their expense. They're exactly the type I mentioned above - where even if you think it's dumb you're forced to pretend it was oh so funny, no matter how you feel about someone making a fool of you. 

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ORIGINAL: elab49 (via Gizoogle)

Gentleman, please - could our crazy-ass asses leave dis thread ta gangstas wantin ta say shit bout a funky-ass bad film?

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ORIGINAL: rawlinson
It's a dodgy idea to begin with, I agree. But I really don't see how all the blame can possibly be given to the dj. The mother volunteered her daughter for it. The mother knew about the rape. The mother still insisted on questioning her. According to the daughter's own words, her mother was smiling at her, knowing what would come up. The mother is a fucking idiot. That girl shouldn't have been exposed to that, but the mother made her do it, knowing what had happened to her.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b
You have a nice face, Shifty. A face I would have a cup of tea with.

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ORIGINAL: porntrooper
Shifty said it best

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ORIGINAL: elab49

It depends on where your focus is. If you're looking at who asked the question and saying it wasn't the DJ's fault the mother did that to the daughter, I'm still not seeing how, big picture, it somehow negates the fact a DJ allowed the mother to bring a 14yo girl on to a broadcast show, hook her up to a lie detector, and knew it was discussing her sex life.

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Big picture - the entire episode should never have happened because the woman should never have been allowed into the building and on the air. They chose to do that. It's their fault it was broadcast. And they were discussing a 14yos sex life - how frakked up is that? Broadcasting it with the kid in the studio.

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And I don't think anyone said the blame was solely theirs - the mother was a bloody idiot, a bad parent and needs her head looked at doing that to her child. But that should never have left their house. What happens there is between the mother and the child. Those bloody idiots broadcast that 14yo so everyone knew. These kind of people need to take responsibility for the decisions they make in the name of 'entertainment' they don't get to put all the blame on the idiots who appear on the shows.

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But she didn't force them to do it, they did it for the entertainment value. They shouldn't have done it at all, it's that simple. Yes the mum was wrong but the idea shouldn't even have been entertained, it should never have made it to air, she shouldn't even have been allowed in the studio.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I would plough my way through MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I desire MonsterCat to go down on me.

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ORIGINAL: rawlinson

And they didn't force her to contact the show to put her child forward, they didn't force her to come to the studio, they didn't force her to put her daughter's name in, they didn't force her to ask the questions. She chose to do all that. So again, why is this more their fault than the mother's? Are we really saying that shock jocks should be held to a higher moral standard than the child's mother?

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ORIGINAL: matty_b
You have a nice face, Shifty. A face I would have a cup of tea with.

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ORIGINAL: porntrooper
Shifty said it best

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I would plough my way through MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I desire MonsterCat to go down on me.

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ORIGINAL: rawlinson

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ORIGINAL: elab49

It depends on where your focus is. If you're looking at who asked the question and saying it wasn't the DJ's fault the mother did that to the daughter, I'm still not seeing how, big picture, it somehow negates the fact a DJ allowed the mother to bring a 14yo girl on to a broadcast show, hook her up to a lie detector, and knew it was discussing her sex life.

Why do the djs have a responsibility to the daughter that's greater than the mother's? Because it's not like the mother brought her on unaware of what was going to be discussed. The mother has a duty to protect that child. She failed massively. What happened to personal responsibility?

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Big picture - the entire episode should never have happened because the woman should never have been allowed into the building and on the air. They chose to do that. It's their fault it was broadcast. And they were discussing a 14yos sex life - how frakked up is that? Broadcasting it with the kid in the studio.

The djs just gave her a platform, she's the one who chose to fuck over her child by asking those questions. And again, it's not like she was unaware of what she was doing.

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And I don't think anyone said the blame was solely theirs - the mother was a bloody idiot, a bad parent and needs her head looked at doing that to her child. But that should never have left their house. What happens there is between the mother and the child. Those bloody idiots broadcast that 14yo so everyone knew. These kind of people need to take responsibility for the decisions they make in the name of 'entertainment' they don't get to put all the blame on the idiots who appear on the shows.

The segment was live and the djs didn't know about the situation beforehand. They had no way of knowing a mother would be irresponsible enough to do that to her daughter.

Like I said, blame them for the appropriateness of the segment, fine. But the mother is the one who caused the rest of it. They didn't just drag her off the streets, strap her down and make her do this. She chose to do it to her and her child.

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But she didn't force them to do it, they did it for the entertainment value. They shouldn't have done it at all, it's that simple. Yes the mum was wrong but the idea shouldn't even have been entertained, it should never have made it to air, she shouldn't even have been allowed in the studio.

And they didn't force her to contact the show to put her child forward, they didn't force her to come to the studio, they didn't force her to put her daughter's name in, they didn't force her to ask the questions. She chose to do all that. So again, why is this more their fault than the mother's? Are we really saying that shock jocks should be held to a higher moral standard than the child's mother?

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ORIGINAL: rawlinson

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ORIGINAL: elab49

It depends on where your focus is. If you're looking at who asked the question and saying it wasn't the DJ's fault the mother did that to the daughter, I'm still not seeing how, big picture, it somehow negates the fact a DJ allowed the mother to bring a 14yo girl on to a broadcast show, hook her up to a lie detector, and knew it was discussing her sex life.

Why do the djs have a responsibility to the daughter that's greater than the mother's? Because it's not like the mother brought her on unaware of what was going to be discussed. The mother has a duty to protect that child. She failed massively. What happened to personal responsibility?

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Big picture - the entire episode should never have happened because the woman should never have been allowed into the building and on the air. They chose to do that. It's their fault it was broadcast. And they were discussing a 14yos sex life - how frakked up is that? Broadcasting it with the kid in the studio.

The djs just gave her a platform, she's the one who chose to fuck over her child by asking those questions. And again, it's not like she was unaware of what she was doing.

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And I don't think anyone said the blame was solely theirs - the mother was a bloody idiot, a bad parent and needs her head looked at doing that to her child. But that should never have left their house. What happens there is between the mother and the child. Those bloody idiots broadcast that 14yo so everyone knew. These kind of people need to take responsibility for the decisions they make in the name of 'entertainment' they don't get to put all the blame on the idiots who appear on the shows.

The segment was live and the djs didn't know about the situation beforehand. They had no way of knowing a mother would be irresponsible enough to do that to her daughter.

Like I said, blame them for the appropriateness of the segment, fine. But the mother is the one who caused the rest of it. They didn't just drag her off the streets, strap her down and make her do this. She chose to do it to her and her child.

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But she didn't force them to do it, they did it for the entertainment value. They shouldn't have done it at all, it's that simple. Yes the mum was wrong but the idea shouldn't even have been entertained, it should never have made it to air, she shouldn't even have been allowed in the studio.

And they didn't force her to contact the show to put her child forward, they didn't force her to come to the studio, they didn't force her to put her daughter's name in, they didn't force her to ask the questions. She chose to do all that. So again, why is this more their fault than the mother's? Are we really saying that shock jocks should be held to a higher moral standard than the child's mother?

But no-one is saying the mother wasn't at fault.  No-one even said it was more their fault. I'm not discussing the mother but the DJs so the reason why they are at fault is the topic of that discussion. The mother's at fault - fine, not what is being discussed. It doesn't let her off the hook or change the assigned fault 'score' to the DJs. This is beginning to feel like one of those discussions where you can't state someone was a tit without having to go through a half page on how lots of other people were all tits and assign tit levels to them to make sure you have the balance exact.

Do I think the DJs are more at fault? I don't think it's an unreasonable stance. Anyone who wasn't a dick would have told the mother to sort herself out when it was suggested. Anyone who wasn't a dick wouldn't have a segment on the show where the basic outcome was some kind of humiliation.

Does Jeremy Kyle get a lower ranking on the scum scale because people choose to come onto his show? Not for me he doesn't. If the show didn't exist they wouldn't be there - they'd be sorting their problems out privately like decent human beings. They wouldn't be going down the shopping centre and finding a central seat to have it out in front of an audience. They're still a problem for going on - Kyle and his producers are still scum IMO.

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ORIGINAL: elab49
But no-one is saying the mother wasn't at fault.  No-one even said it was more their fault. I'm not discussing the mother but the DJs so the reason why they are at fault is the topic of that discussion. The mother's at fault - fine, not what is being discussed. It doesn't let her off the hook or change the assigned fault 'score' to the DJs. This is beginning to feel like one of those discussions where you can't state someone was a tit without having to go through a half page on how lots of other people were all tits and assign tit levels to them to make sure you have the balance exact.

Do I think the DJs are more at fault? I don't think it's an unreasonable stance. Anyone who wasn't a dick would have told the mother to sort herself out when it was suggested. Anyone who wasn't a dick wouldn't have a segment on the show where the basic outcome was some kind of humiliation.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b
You have a nice face, Shifty. A face I would have a cup of tea with.

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ORIGINAL: porntrooper
Shifty said it best

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ORIGINAL: elab49

But no-one is saying the mother wasn't at fault.  No-one even said it was more their fault. I'm not discussing the mother but the DJs so the reason why they are at fault is the topic of that discussion.

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This radio station does have form. I was reading about the 14yo dragged on for some Jeremy Kyle type crap with a lie detector and telling her idiot mother she was actually raped. And that doesn't seem to be the only stunt they've pulled.

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Like another DJ from the same radio station who hooked up a 14 year old girl to a lie detector and got her mother to ask her questions about her sexual activity, forcing the girl to expose the fact she was raped.

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Do I think the DJs are more at fault? I don't think it's an unreasonable stance. Anyone who wasn't a dick would have told the mother to sort herself out when it was suggested. Anyone who wasn't a dick wouldn't have a segment on the show where the basic outcome was some kind of humiliation.

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Does Jeremy Kyle get a lower ranking on the scum scale because people choose to come onto his show? Not for me he doesn't. If the show didn't exist they wouldn't be there - they'd be sorting their problems out privately like decent human beings. They wouldn't be going down the shopping centre and finding a central seat to have it out in front of an audience. They're still a problem for going on - Kyle and his producers are still scum IMO.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I would plough my way through MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I desire MonsterCat to go down on me.

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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench

That's basically it. They shouldn't have allowed it, pure and simple. Also, it seems to me that the mum was emotionally unstable so they may well have exploited that too.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I would plough my way through MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I desire MonsterCat to go down on me.

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ORIGINAL: rawlinson

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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench

That's basically it. They shouldn't have allowed it, pure and simple. Also, it seems to me that the mum was emotionally unstable so they may well have exploited that too.

But it's just as easy to say that it seems the mother was exploiting the situation to get herself in the spotlight. There's no evidence for either. All we have are the facts. The radio station have a dodgy segment. A mother knows her daughter has been raped. The radio station doesn't. The mother still decides to make the child go on the air and then quizzes her about her sexual history. Based on facts, I'm absolutely astonished that the mother is seen as the lesser evil here.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b
You have a nice face, Shifty. A face I would have a cup of tea with.

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ORIGINAL: porntrooper
Shifty said it best

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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench

Show me where I have said that, though.

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Do I think the DJs are more at fault? I don't think it's an unreasonable stance. Anyone who wasn't a dick would have told the mother to sort herself out when it was suggested. Anyone who wasn't a dick wouldn't have a segment on the show where the basic outcome was some kind of humiliation.



That's basically it. They shouldn't have allowed it, pure and simple. Also, it seems to me that the mum was emotionally unstable so they may well have exploited that too.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I would plough my way through MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I desire MonsterCat to go down on me.

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ORIGINAL: elab49

And I don't think anyone said the blame was solely theirs - the mother was a bloody idiot, a bad parent and needs her head looked at doing that to her child. But that should never have left their house. What happens there is between the mother and the child. Those bloody idiots broadcast that 14yo so everyone knew. These kind of people need to take responsibility for the decisions they make in the name of 'entertainment' they don't get to put all the blame on the idiots who appear on the shows.

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ORIGINAL: elab49

I'm not holding them to a different moral standard, I've just said - it's because I'm talking about them at the moment. I'm not talking about the mother, I'm talking about the station and the DJs and my opinion where they're at fault. Which goes back to what I said in my last post - I don't see how it helps a discussion if to be able to progress it we also need to tick off everyone else potentially at fault before getting the topic being discussed.

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Is saying it's arguable that the DJs are more at fault the same as holding them to a different moral standard? I don't agree that it is.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I would plough my way through MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I desire MonsterCat to go down on me.

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ORIGINAL: rawlinson

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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench

Show me where I have said that, though.

That she's the lesser evil? Elab said the djs were more at fault and you said that was basically it.

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ORIGINAL: elab49

But no-one is saying the mother wasn't at fault.  No-one even said it was more their fault. I'm not discussing the mother but the DJs so the reason why they are at fault is the topic of that discussion. The mother's at fault - fine, not what is being discussed. It doesn't let her off the hook or change the assigned fault 'score' to the DJs. This is beginning to feel like one of those discussions where you can't state someone was a tit without having to go through a half page on how lots of other people were all tits and assign tit levels to them to make sure you have the balance exact.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b
You have a nice face, Shifty. A face I would have a cup of tea with.

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ORIGINAL: porntrooper
Shifty said it best

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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench

This is what I was trying to say earlier but Elab worded it better than me. I still didn't say she was not at any fault at all. Or even use the words 'lesser' and ;evil'. You just made the assumption that that is what I was saying

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I would plough my way through MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I desire MonsterCat to go down on me.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze
Christ did anyone not learn from the Russell Brand/ Andrew Sachs fiasco?

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I would plough my way through MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I desire MonsterCat to go down on me.

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ORIGINAL: rawlinson

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze
Christ did anyone not learn from the Russell Brand/ Andrew Sachs fiasco?

You mean the frenzy kicked up by tabloids on a BBC witch hunt who were allegedly so concerned about Andrew Sachs but then were willing to keep dragging this out and making the details of the incident known to a much larger segment of a country than if it had just been kept to a silly prank on a radio show? Obviously nobody did, because the mock outrage was again what dragged this out for days.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b
You have a nice face, Shifty. A face I would have a cup of tea with.

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ORIGINAL: porntrooper
Shifty said it best

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ORIGINAL: rawlinson

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze
Christ did anyone not learn from the Russell Brand/ Andrew Sachs fiasco?

You mean the frenzy kicked up by tabloids on a BBC witch hunt who were allegedly so concerned about Andrew Sachs but then were willing to keep dragging this out and making the details of the incident known to a much larger segment of a country than if it had just been kept to a silly prank on a radio show? Obviously nobody did, because the mock outrage was again what dragged this out for days.

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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench

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ORIGINAL: rawlinson

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze
Christ did anyone not learn from the Russell Brand/ Andrew Sachs fiasco?

You mean the frenzy kicked up by tabloids on a BBC witch hunt who were allegedly so concerned about Andrew Sachs but then were willing to keep dragging this out and making the details of the incident known to a much larger segment of a country than if it had just been kept to a silly prank on a radio show? Obviously nobody did, because the mock outrage was again what dragged this out for days.

Yup. And the same tabloids that happily published stories of his grand-daughter's sex life and provocative pics of her while they defended his honour.

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Regardless of the coverage, it was a nasty thing to do to Sachs and it was done publically on air.Obviously this was going to get a lot of coverage without the help of the bbc.It sickens me that Brand was hired for anything after that.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I would plough my way through MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I desire MonsterCat to go down on me.

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ORIGINAL: Mister Coe

There's no clear blame here, just an awful chain of events with a tragic ending.

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ORIGINAL: Mister Coe

There's no clear blame here, just an awful chain of events with a tragic ending.

I think overall this comment mirrors my own views the most, there is no clear blame here, to haul the responsibility of this woman's death on any one party beggers belief quite frankly. As stupid as the prank was, the tragic result was just one of those things at the end of the day, a perfect storm of events including the prank, a lapse of judgement in answering said call, the resulting media frenzy and the woman's presumably already fragile state of mind all combining to create.....just something that happened.

That said if you pushed me to a more definitive answer then the way the press have handled this entire debacle both before and after this woman's death boils my piss no end. Perhaps if such non-events weren't whipped up into such a fucking frenzy we wouldn't be having this debate in the first place, unfortunately we'll never know.

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ORIGINAL: Mister Coe

There's no clear blame here, just an awful chain of events with a tragic ending.

I think overall this comment mirrors my own views the most, there is no clear blame here, to haul the responsibility of this woman's death on any one party beggers belief quite frankly. As stupid as the prank was, the tragic result was just one of those things at the end of the day, a perfect storm of events including the prank, a lapse of judgement in answering said call, the resulting media frenzy and the woman's presumably already fragile state of mind all combining to create.....just something that happened.

That said if you pushed me to a more definitive answer then the way the press have handled this entire debacle both before and after this woman's death boils my piss no end. Perhaps if such non-events weren't whipped up into such a fucking frenzy we wouldn't be having this debate in the first place, unfortunately we'll never know.

Yeah, plus the fact that such a fuss is made over a pregnancy in the first place that warrants such a prank.