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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 12:41:14 AM   
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The sensible thing for everyone might be to wait for the conclusions of the investigation into this tragic death.

Ever since I heard about this prank I thought it was the dumbest thing, esp in the context of Leveson in this country.

The DJs were not exposing some big company, or famous people. They were making hard working members of staff at a hospital look foolish.

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 12:43:40 AM   
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I still don't agree. Busy, picking up phones - people aren't robots, they don't follow drills all the time. But I think this is where we're at stalemate - I still can't equate passive incompetence with a deliberate act. It might be a bit different if it had all been live and they couldn't reflect - but the station sat and made a decision to go ahead of it, so they don't even have the excuse of the heat of getting through affecting their, already flawed, judgement.



But do you think anyone would have thought it would lead to this conclusion? If we're talking about active intent. Intent to make people look a bit stupid, yes. Intent to get publicity, yes. And if people want to condemn them on that being in bad taste I have no problem. But I think balance suggests that equal condemnation needs to go to security flaws.


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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 12:43:52 AM   
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So the decision to take and broadcast the call wasn't the fault of the DJs, it just happened to them?

Pranks have victims. They can hardly ignore the fact that some victims might not be as in on the ho-ho-ho joke as they are.




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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 12:45:17 AM   
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But they are the ones with a duty to protect that sensitive information, and they failed. Is it really asking that much that everyone pointing their finger at the djs stop for a minute and ask how the hell they managed to get away with it?



It's perfectly valid to question how this was allowed to happen in the first place. But why did it happen? What precipitated it? And what has been the result? Isn't that the immediate issue?


I think they all go together to be honest.

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 12:46:43 AM   
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Again, you seem to be in the minority.

A lot of people seem to think the DJs have a lot of blame attached to them in this matter.


Bob, I'm not absolving the dj's of their role in this horrible mess.

But don't you think that our security services should be equipped to keep a couple of aussie prank-callers at bay? Or should i now ring Buckingham Palace to say that there is a nuclear bomb on the way?



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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 12:47:52 AM   
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So the decision to take and broadcast the call wasn't the fault of the DJs, it just happened to them?

Pranks have victims. They can hardly ignore the fact that some victims might not be as in on the ho-ho-ho joke as they are.





I'm not denying that. But pranks on the public are always fairly shitty because you're putting people in the position of being forced to be the butt of the joke. I'm not saying don't condemn them on that. I'm just saying I think this outcome would have been the last thing on anyone's mind.

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 12:50:23 AM   
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Again, you seem to be in the minority.

A lot of people seem to think the DJs have a lot of blame attached to them in this matter.


Bob, I'm not absolving the dj's of their role in this horrible mess.

But don't you think that our security services should be equipped to keep a couple of aussie prank-callers at bay? Or should i now ring Buckingham Palace to say that there is a nuclear bomb on the way?




Where's the bomb traveling in from undetected?

If you think some very minor details being given out is the issue here I think you are missing the point. It wasn't a huge security leak, and if I were in charge there would have been no way disciplinary action would have followed even if a company policy had been missed, for all the reasons I listed earlier.
If they asked for the location of the room within the hospital, the floor or something that could actually be used then I'm have my doubts that it would have been successful.


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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 12:50:37 AM   
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There's no clear blame here, just an awful chain of events with a tragic ending.


Well, the DJs pulled a prank that made the woman a national joke which drove her to suicide.

Again, though, the DJs didn't run the radio station, someone ok'd the gag and lawyers said it was cool to air it.....

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 12:51:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rawlinson


quote:

ORIGINAL: superdan


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But they are the ones with a duty to protect that sensitive information, and they failed. Is it really asking that much that everyone pointing their finger at the djs stop for a minute and ask how the hell they managed to get away with it?



It's perfectly valid to question how this was allowed to happen in the first place. But why did it happen? What precipitated it? And what has been the result? Isn't that the immediate issue?


I think they all go together to be honest.



I disagree, but fair enough

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 12:53:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench


quote:

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There's no clear blame here, just an awful chain of events with a tragic ending.


Well, the DJs pulled a prank that made the woman a national joke which drove her to suicide.

Again, though, the DJs didn't run the radio station, someone ok'd the gag and lawyers said it was cool to air it.....


so we're round to the lawyers being responsible now. You know if we can get it onto the bankers we can all go home happy.

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 12:56:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mister Coe
There's no clear blame here, just an awful chain of events with a tragic ending.


Well, the DJs pulled a prank that made the woman a national joke which drove her to suicide.



Wasn't she the one who answered the call rather than the one who gave out the private info?

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 12:58:50 AM   
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I still don't agree. Busy, picking up phones - people aren't robots, they don't follow drills all the time. But I think this is where we're at stalemate - I still can't equate passive incompetence with a deliberate act. It might be a bit different if it had all been live and they couldn't reflect - but the station sat and made a decision to go ahead of it, so they don't even have the excuse of the heat of getting through affecting their, already flawed, judgement.



But do you think anyone would have thought it would lead to this conclusion? If we're talking about active intent. Intent to make people look a bit stupid, yes. Intent to get publicity, yes. And if people want to condemn them on that being in bad taste I have no problem. But I think balance suggests that equal condemnation needs to go to security flaws.




I think it's worth repeating that, as far as I'm aware, we still have that legal thing about taking your victim as you find them. So if they pull one of these shitty, bullying pranks for the lols and someone who might be a bit more fragile than those who plaster on the fake smile and pretend they're in on the joke so they don't get it worse for having no sense of humour ends up involved I'm frankly surprised something similar hasn't happened before. Really surprised actually. And would expect the normal bully response along the lines of 'aw shucks, we were only funning, they shouldn't have taken it so seriously.'

And again, I thought this before the death yesterday. It's how I feel about this kind of prank.

That long sentence above does make sense in my head but I'm worried it might be grammatically embarrassing.

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 12:59:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench


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ORIGINAL: Mister Coe
There's no clear blame here, just an awful chain of events with a tragic ending.


Well, the DJs pulled a prank that made the woman a national joke which drove her to suicide.

Again, though, the DJs didn't run the radio station, someone ok'd the gag and lawyers said it was cool to air it.....


so we're round to the lawyers being responsible now. You know if we can get it onto the bankers we can all go home happy.



After such a grim thread, that genuinely made me laugh...

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 1:00:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rawlinson


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench


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ORIGINAL: Mister Coe
There's no clear blame here, just an awful chain of events with a tragic ending.


Well, the DJs pulled a prank that made the woman a national joke which drove her to suicide.



Wasn't she the one who answered the call rather than the one who gave out the private info?



I don't think that really matters to the woman who killed herself over it, do you?

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 1:02:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench


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ORIGINAL: rawlinson


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mister Coe
There's no clear blame here, just an awful chain of events with a tragic ending.


Well, the DJs pulled a prank that made the woman a national joke which drove her to suicide.



Wasn't she the one who answered the call rather than the one who gave out the private info?



I don't think that really matters to the woman who killed herself over it, do you?


I think some of the coverage did single her out as the one who made the mistake - the second nurse provided the details because the call was put through. I think this is unfair on both of them, but that was the tenor I think.


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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 1:09:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench


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ORIGINAL: rawlinson


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mister Coe
There's no clear blame here, just an awful chain of events with a tragic ending.


Well, the DJs pulled a prank that made the woman a national joke which drove her to suicide.



Wasn't she the one who answered the call rather than the one who gave out the private info?



I don't think that really matters to the woman who killed herself over it, do you?



That's not what I mean though. It's just the bit that was getting the public attention was mixed from what I saw, some saying the second nurse was responsible for giving the details, some saying she was at fault for connecting the call. So what I'm saying is, she wasn't in trouble at work over it. The family didn't complain. I don't think anyone really knew her identity. And the blame seemed to be spread. So I think the chain of this happened and then this happened as a result isn't quite that simple. I think, like Elab has suggested, she was just maybe more troubled than might have been expected. Because something to me says that a woman with two children who got duped in a way that wasn't seeming to have an immediate impact on her career, wouldn't have committed suicide because of that on its own, and maybe it was a tipping point rather than the main cause. I'm not saying that makes it any better, just that I think suicide is never a simple thing. Apologies if you're not suggesting it's the main cause, would have been me misreading it.

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 1:25:03 AM   
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That's not what I mean though. It's just the bit that was getting the public attention was mixed from what I saw, some saying the second nurse was responsible for giving the details, some saying she was at fault for connecting the call. So what I'm saying is, she wasn't in trouble at work over it. The family didn't complain. I don't think anyone really knew her identity. And the blame seemed to be spread. So I think the chain of this happened and then this happened as a result isn't quite that simple. I think, like Elab has suggested, she was just maybe more troubled than might have been expected. Because something to me says that a woman with two children who got duped in a way that wasn't seeming to have an immediate impact on her career, wouldn't have committed suicide because of that on its own, and maybe it was a tipping point rather than the main cause. I'm not saying that makes it any better, just that I think suicide is never a simple thing. Apologies if you're not suggesting it's the main cause, would have been me misreading it.


Misreading it is an understatement, dude. I never even suggested that in the least. I am well ware that suicide is not a simple thing, I've had a two family members who killed themselves and one of them was one of the most easy going fun loving attractive young women you'd ever meet and she had a promising modelling career. It's never simple, most of the time it's downright baffling. We still don't know why she did it over year later. I agree with you and Elab that there was clearly something already there and that this pushed the nurse over the edge. What I meant with my statement that has she may have blamed herself (speculation) so saying it wasn't fully her fault wouldn't have mattered to her. Damn good chance she would have done it anyway....

Also- apology accepted and please don't take my reply as me being aggressive, I'm just explaining how wrong you were

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 1:30:31 AM   
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No problems, I was worried I'd come across as patronising in that last post.

Sorry to hear about your family members. It's never an easy or understandable thing. I think people on the outside can often see the reasons why someone shouldn't do it, but for the person they can only see the reasons why they should.

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 1:36:42 AM   
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Exactly. Something happened to make my cousin do what she did but for the life of everyone in the family, we just can't think of what it is. Not one clue. Anyway, this thread isn't about me.

And thanks for your condolences

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 6:19:02 AM   
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I have to say that I am in agreement with rawls on this one.

I didn't really follow the story much (I was simply bored rigid by the blanket coverage of the pregnancy), but it seemed to me that a day or so or go the hospitals and their processes and security procedures were being called into question, and that the approach from the palace and the hospital were to try to dismiss it somewhat, make no big deal of it.... a prank call was made, info was given that shouldn't have been, no one was hurt, no disciplinary action, end of story. It seemed tp me the media didnt really want the story to end though and were trying to kick up a fuss and report more on the hospital failings rather than the dj's. Let's face it, the 'prank call' is a standard tool used by many radio dj's, they're more often than not utterly unfunny, pointless and boring, but a couple of days ago the point wasnt that a prank call was made, but that the end result of that call exposed a lack of protocol and security at the hospital caring for a high profile royal. That was the real story from the press perspective. Now, a couple of days later a member of staff directly involved (I'm not even sure if it's the nurse that took the call and passed it on, or the nurse that gave the details?) took their life and the blame is now focussed away from the hospital onto the dj's? That seems a little ass backwards. Rawls is absolutely correct in saying that the situation as a whole needs to be looked at, and that the idea of 'direct blame' isn't easy to address in the case of suicide. I suspect all parties (the dj's, the station, their lawyers, the hospital and hospital security, palace security etc) all need to be looked at during any investigation. The sudden swing of outrage to just these two dj's seems very reactionary to me. The fact the station has bad form in the past isn't really relevant to me either. The idea that there was a direct intent to harm by the dj's seems like crazy talk. Stupid, childish, unfunny and yes a little irresponsible by not having consideration in how their actions may affect those involved, but lets face it, prank calls are prank calls and there was no serious intent to either damage a nurses reputation or to drive one to suicide. At best they probably hoped to get a humourous shock response from someone who thought they may be speaking to the Queen, the fact they got through and got the info they did is surprising and rather shocking, I don't really blame a shock jock for then playing on that publicity, especially when the media then kick up a fuss. However, they cant be to blame for the hospitals lack of protocol surrounding the security, duty of care, data protection of their high profile patient. There were a few factors involved in the whole story, not just the dj's.

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 9:41:18 AM   
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It was a mean-spirited prank call for sure (and an unfunny one at that), but I'm genuinely disturbed by the anger some people have directed towards those two DJs - as if they were somehow directly responsible for this poor woman's death.

Assuming her decision to take her life was not a coincidence (something which in truth no one will ever really know), this for me is a sad indictment on how society operates now. Through celebrity-obsessed television/press coverage & social media, the disassociation between people in a "news" story & the reality they absorb is enormous. It's actually quite sickening how easily an average joe can turn into the butt-end of a joke (whether it's actually funny or not) on a worldwide scale. If we're blaming Djs here, it's the collective effort of those who turned this incident into a circus who equally share responsibility.

However, I tend to agree that the hospital security protocols also let her down badly (you would have thought that they might have anticipated intense media interest given who was in the maternity ward). But then again, this discussion only exists because she killed herself.

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 9:47:43 AM   
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Anyone with even a little bit of sense knows those DJs weren't the sole reason for the woman committing suicide. She must've had underlying problems and this pushed her over the edge. The DJs were never going to know that. But this is the problem with these types of prank calls, you're not going to know that, are you? Like another DJ from the same radio station who hooked up a 14 year old girl to a lie detector and got her mother to ask her questions about her sexual activity, forcing the girl to expose the fact she was raped.

The call has maybe shown that security is lapse at the hospital. It may also show that the hospital was in a state of sleep and with no receptionist on duty and a nightshift nurse who possibly wasn't fully aware of what was going on. Why on earth would the Queen phone the hospital herself at 5.30am? That would alert me instantly, but I'm more inclined to believe at this moment in time that what happened was a lapse that got to far. Just because this happened at 5.30am on a Wednesday morning, doesn't mean the same thing is going to happen at 1pm in the afternoon. Not saying that's an excuse but certain factors have to come into play here. I'm confident that it was a matter of circumstance that this happened.

Like Elab, I can't get my head round this prank call. I can't understand the humour. I don't understand why its funny to try and find out the medical situation of a vulnerable, pregnant woman. It was a silly, stupid thing to do. Of course the DJs didn't pull the trigger on that poor woman, but if it is suicide, then it clearly tipped her over the edge and I think for that, some responsibility lies on their shoulders.

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 9:56:46 AM   
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Anyone with even a little bit of sense knows those DJs weren't the sole reason for the woman committing suicide. She must've had underlying problems and this pushed her over the edge. The DJs were never going to know that. But this is the problem with these types of prank calls, you're not going to know that, are you? Like another DJ from the same radio station who hooked up a 14 year old girl to a lie detector and got her mother to ask her questions about her sexual activity, forcing the girl to expose the fact she was raped.



You can listen to that other incident here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxvvETTmSH0

About six minutes in. In fairness, in that instance it seems to be far more the mother's fault than the DJs'.

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 10:05:00 AM   
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The call has maybe shown that security is lapse at the hospital. It may also show that the hospital was in a state of sleep and with no receptionist on duty and a nightshift nurse who possibly wasn't fully aware of what was going on. Why on earth would the Queen phone the hospital herself at 5.30am? That would alert me instantly, but I'm more inclined to believe at this moment in time that what happened was a lapse that got to far. Just because this happened at 5.30am on a Wednesday morning, doesn't mean the same thing is going to happen at 1pm in the afternoon. Not saying that's an excuse but certain factors have to come into play here. I'm confident that it was a matter of circumstance that this happened.



It's an interesting point, but whether a call is made at 5:30 in the morning or during drive-time, you would have hoped the hospital would have had some form of security clearance in place.

Then again, considering the line of enquiry wasn't pressing for confidential information, perhaps that's what made them slack.

But like yourself & Elab, I too share the position in failing to see the comedy angle in being intrusive to a hospital patient's condition - irrespective of whether they hold public interest or not.

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 10:48:57 AM   
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Anyone with even a little bit of sense knows those DJs weren't the sole reason for the woman committing suicide. She must've had underlying problems and this pushed her over the edge. The DJs were never going to know that. But this is the problem with these types of prank calls, you're not going to know that, are you? Like another DJ from the same radio station who hooked up a 14 year old girl to a lie detector and got her mother to ask her questions about her sexual activity, forcing the girl to expose the fact she was raped.



You can listen to that other incident here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxvvETTmSH0

About six minutes in. In fairness, in that instance it seems to be far more the mother's fault than the DJs'.


The DJs hooked up a 14yo girl to a lie detector and are talking about her sex life. A 14yo girl. They let a stupid woman put a child on a lie detector and broadcast it. They escape no blame on that one.

And I don't think much of the dickheads in that link either. OOoo look, a funny accent.


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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 10:53:59 AM   
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Its really sad news indeed. And all this over a prank.

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 11:24:54 AM   
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The DJs hooked up a 14yo girl to a lie detector and are talking about her sex life. A 14yo girl. They let a stupid woman put a child on a lie detector and broadcast it. They escape no blame on that one.



About this point. I completely agree 100% that is was a horrible thing to do. It's all well and good saying 'it was the mum's fault' but the girl was 14, It shouldn't even have went as far as it did. It was exploiting a child and it was a disgusting thing to do. The DJs should have known better. Howard Stern wouldn't even have gone that far and he does some odd shit.

Oh, and for the record, I don't believe the DJs in this current situation are 100% to blame but again, they shouldn't really have done it in the first place. It was a really stupid and unfunny thing to do.

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 11:58:21 AM   
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The DJs are symptomatic of a wider culture of humiliation that also includes their audience, the people who turned it into a massive international story in the press and everyone involved in it going viral via social media. It is easy, and right, to blame the idiots who ran the prank but it would be no less plausible for the woman who buggered up the painting of Jesus, to take one recent example, to have been similarly mortified about it. A situation where you know literally tens or hundreds of millions of people around the world are laughing at you is not going to be easy for a lot of people to take and it's that casual social media enabled mockery, alongside the crass cruelty of the radio station, we need to think about.

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 12:48:25 PM   
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A Scottish DJ apparently got himself in the papers this morning but for possibly doing a decent thing - withdrawing his tedious 'victim-free' hoax calls. While claiming his are in fun it's all depends which side of the coin you're on - I've heard some of his and it's making fun of people at their expense. They're exactly the type I mentioned above - where even if you think it's dumb you're forced to pretend it was oh so funny, no matter how you feel about someone making a fool of you. 

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RE: Nurse commits suicide at King Edward Hospital... - 8/12/2012 1:38:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: elab49
The DJs hooked up a 14yo girl to a lie detector and are talking about her sex life. A 14yo girl. They let a stupid woman put a child on a lie detector and broadcast it. They escape no blame on that one.



About this point. I completely agree 100% that is was a horrible thing to do. It's all well and good saying 'it was the mum's fault' but the girl was 14, It shouldn't even have went as far as it did. It was exploiting a child and it was a disgusting thing to do. The DJs should have known better. Howard Stern wouldn't even have gone that far and he does some odd shit.



It's a dodgy idea to begin with, I agree. But I really don't see how all the blame can possibly be given to the dj. The mother volunteered her daughter for it. The mother knew about the rape. The mother still insisted on questioning her. According to the daughter's own words, her mother was smiling at her, knowing what would come up. The mother is a fucking idiot. That girl shouldn't have been exposed to that, but the mother made her do it, knowing what had happened to her.

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