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ORIGINAL: garvielloken

How does Bruce Wayne get back into a completely locked down Gotham after being in a foreign prison? That feels like a plot hole to me.

In reference to Dans point about Nolan stealing from Burton's films; can someone enlighten me on this? I honestly haven't watched either of Burton's Batman films in years so I can't think of anything Nolan might have stolen.

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ORIGINAL: garvielloken

How does Bruce Wayne get back into a completely locked down Gotham after being in a foreign prison? That feels like a plot hole to me.

In reference to Dans point about Nolan stealing from Burton's films; can someone enlighten me on this? I honestly haven't watched either of Burton's Batman films in years so I can't think of anything Nolan might have stolen.

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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench

All of Nolan's films, though? It seems a bit pointless if you don't like the work of the director. Each to their own, I guess.

His other movies are just OK, his Batman movies are absolutely dire. How they get the praise they do is astonishing, not only did he steal most of the scenes from Burton's movie, they look awful, the designs and costumes (except Jokers) are dreadful, he cant film a fight/action scene to save his life , the dialogue is atrocious!! and TDKR especially was riddled with plots holes and character let downs that actually make a grown man cry and laugh out load! I mean really! when he turns up on the bridge at the end of the movie like hes just got back from Butlins and hands CW a magic computer program he pulled out of his ass!! give me a break. Nolan is the most over-rated director ever. The whole putting superheros into `the real world` is fucking absurd! , it pretentious dog shit. Batman isn't something from the real world any more than Superman is. In the real world someone would say "hey Bruce, what the fuck are you doing in that rubber onesie with your mums black curtain tied around your neck! and why the ridiculous voice? I know its you man". Batman should be in a created Gotham, in his own world, not plonked into the most mundane generic cityscape. The sooner they are forgotten and people move on, the sooner we can get a new Batman franchise! I hope Rocksteady open a movie studio personally.

I shouldnt of ranted here, sorry. I hope they dont spin off this Catwoman, she was unconvincing and not nearly as sexy as Michelle or Halle!!

So much butthurt.

I'm pretty much done with debating with people about (non-existant) plot holes and things 'out of character', or the 'realism' of the series. But stealing most of the scenes from Burton's movie? You're clearly joking? Out of all the things you have said about these films, this is the one which makes me think you're trolling the most...

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ORIGINAL: Harry Tuttle

Edit: Fuck it, I can't be arsed getting into this again.

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ORIGINAL: Dannybohy

It is merely reaction to the over the top idolization of Nolans Batman.

You made me first

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His other movies are just OK, his Batman movies are absolutely dire. How they get the praise they do is astonishing, not only did he steal most of the scenes from Burton's movie, they look awful, the designs and costumes (except Jokers) are dreadful, he cant film a fight/action scene to save his life , the dialogue is atrocious!! and TDKR especially was riddled with plots holes and character let downs that actually make a grown man cry and laugh out load! I mean really! when he turns up on the bridge at the end of the movie like hes just got back from Butlins and hands CW a magic computer program he pulled out of his ass!! give me a break. Nolan is the most over-rated director ever. The whole putting superheros into `the real world` is fucking absurd! , it pretentious dog shit. Batman isn't something from the real world any more than Superman is. In the real world someone would say "hey Bruce, what the fuck are you doing in that rubber onesie with your mums black curtain tied around your neck! and why the ridiculous voice? I know its you man". Batman should be in a created Gotham, in his own world, not plonked into the most mundane generic cityscape. The sooner they are forgotten and people move on, the sooner we can get a new Batman franchise! I hope Rocksteady open a movie studio personally.

I shouldnt of ranted here, sorry. I hope they dont spin off this Catwoman, she was unconvincing and not nearly as sexy as Michelle or Halle!!

JESUS T*TTY F*CKIN CHRIST, YEESSS! I thought I was the only one. I think you are now my new favourite person in the whole world. I really don't know how Nolan has done it, he's managed to convince the world that the sun shines out of his a*se but his Batman movies are total w*nk for EXACTLY the reasons stated above.

As for a new Catwoman movie, I never thought I'd say this about Anne Hathaway in a tight fitting leather outfit but this is a bad idea purely because I think the whole Catwoman persona is a bit crap to be honest. They can just about get away with it in comic world but I just don't think the characters works well onscreen without ending up looking like some cheap S&M fantasy.

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Getting in through the sewers cuts it for me. And I have no time for the Bane is turned into a bitch Idea. He beats the mask off Batman's face, and later, Batman beats him in the face until the mask breaks, and when he is killed it is by a weapon previously seen to be used to blow a hole through a wall, while he is about to take out Batman by shooting him the mouth with a shotgun, so even though Bane thinks they're all going to die in the explosion anyway, he still wants to be the one to take out the Bat and have the Bat know it was him that finishes him. No 'bitchness' going on there. Anyway, it's all incarnations of character that already have various incarnations so getting precious about which one has the mainstream visibility seems like whining for the sake of it. There'll be a reboot, and more incarnations, so why moan?

A post TDKR Catwoman story seems problematic in that the conclusion of the Wayne story and Kyle story is meant to parallel and reflect both characters need to get out of the life they're in, forever. It's an ending. So it would either have to be a Catwoman story without Hathaway, or one that predated TDKR. There is plenty to suggest the character as payed by Hathaway has murdered, fought and stolen for her survival, and the line 'once you've done what you have to do, they'll never let you do what you want' that offers a perfectly serviceable story arc to use that doesn't have to impinge on the Bat-Flicks and wouldn't contradict the continuity.

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I will say though, that the Bane of the comics is a one-note character created for one purpose and one purpose only. People have tried and failed to make him relevant again in the comics after he fulfilled that function, because he's just not a good character outside of the one story he was created for. The version of the character in the movie is nuanced, flawed, and shows a level of emotion not seen in the comics. Am I the only one who got the feeling that just before the stadium scene when he comments on the "lovely lovely voice" he seemed depressed that he'd never be able to sing? And after nearly three hours of being the "Big Bad", that scene when he has tears in his eyes his heartbreaking. The fact that he would cry does not make him a bitch. He also is given a motive beyond "I want to break Batman just to prove I can", which is pretty much his entire motivation in Knightfall.
I'm a huge fan of the Batman comics, but I find it difficult to believe that anyone would prefer the original version of the character to the one in the movie.

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I will say though, that the Bane of the comics is a one-note character created for one purpose and one purpose only. People have tried and failed to make him relevant again in the comics after he fulfilled that function, because he's just not a good character outside of the one story he was created for. The version of the character in the movie is nuanced, flawed, and shows a level of emotion not seen in the comics. Am I the only one who got the feeling that just before the stadium scene when he comments on the "lovely lovely voice" he seemed depressed that he'd never be able to sing? And after nearly three hours of being the "Big Bad", that scene when he has tears in his eyes his heartbreaking. The fact that he would cry does not make him a bitch. He also is given a motive beyond "I want to break Batman just to prove I can", which is pretty much his entire motivation in Knightfall.
I'm a huge fan of the Batman comics, but I find it difficult to believe that anyone would prefer the original version of the character to the one in the movie.

Honestly, I have no idea of Bane in the comic books, I only know the character from the Batman Arkham games, in which he is a hulking mental infused with some serious steroids/chemicals via his face mask ?. I assume in TDKR its seen as more of a Darth vader function of keeping him alive? Which is truer to the source, just curious? . I liked Bane as a character which is why I was disappointed with his ending ! Talias bitch

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Ironically, I think the videogame version of Bane is proof that the version in Batman & Robin could have worked, if only he'd been handled properly.

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Let me chip in with my two cents on the recent anti-Nolan/ Nolan Batman posts that have surfaced in this thread.

There is no such thing as a universal truth when it comes to films. Hey, you want to dislike Nolan and his films? That's fine, you're well within your rights to voice such displeasure, and that can generate some pretty interesting conversations. But I just can't abide this utterly childish bullshit that Nolan's fans are sheep, they can't see through the bullshit he's selling and the people who make these wild proclamations are the more enlightened ones.

Don't be so disingenuous to people who like his films and grow the hell-up, you insecure, self-absorbed, spoiled little brats.

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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

Let me chip in with my two cents on the recent anti-Nolan/ Nolan Batman posts that have surfaced in this thread.

There is no such thing as a universal truth when it comes to films. Hey, you want to dislike Nolan and his films? That's fine, you're well within your rights to voice such displeasure, and that can generate some pretty interesting conversations. But I just can't abide this utterly childish bullshit that Nolan's fans are sheep, they can't see through the bullshit he's selling and the people who make these wild proclamations are the more enlightened ones.

Don't be so disingenuous to people who like his films and grow the hell-up, you insecure, self-absorbed, spoiled little brats.

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ORIGINAL: Dannybohy

The hardcore Nolan fanboys are upset now!. Hey its all good, you see a great series, I see the most boring superhero movies ever made.

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The hardcore Nolan fanboys are upset now!. Hey its all good, you see a great series, I see the most boring superhero movies ever made.

You read the last sentence of my post? Calling someone a fanboy is a lazy way of attacking someone who has an opposing view to yours without any argument to support it. So fucking what, you don't like Nolan or his films, you're entitled to your opinion. But don't go on about people who do like his films for the sake of being, in essence, a confrontational, contrarian prick.