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Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 4:47:07 PM   
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Just wondering what other people do who use public transport regularly.

So, you get on a train or a bus and as it's quite busy, you end up sitting next to some complete stranger. At the next stop, people get off so a seat now becomes spare. Do you quickly nab that seat, or do you remain where you are, next to said stranger?

I always think it's a little off to immediately jump up and take that seat, as if the person next to you (or you, if you're the person who a stranger has sat next to) stinks of B.O.. Plus, more often than not, by the time the bus/train gets to the next stop, someone else will get on who then sits next to the person who's just moved which kinda defeats the point of their actual move.

But on the other hand, if more and more people keep getting off and no-one else gets on, you'll eventually end up with just the driver, you and this other person - and now you're sitting next to each other, and neither of you is comfortable with this arrangement.

It's a conundrum, forumites. So how do you deal with it?

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 4:49:59 PM   
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Hold the rest of the bus at gunpoint till you get off. It covers your decision not to move without the embarassment of doing so on an empty bus.

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 4:50:38 PM   
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I move the second a seat becomes available. I hate having strangers in my personal space (or anyone but my wife and kids to be honest, and even then...) so I assume everyone is like me and that I'm doing us both a favour. There's a chance they may be offended, granted, but I don't really care. I'd rather not make eye contact with someone from a distance than not make eye contact with them up close and personal.

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 4:51:53 PM   
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It tends to only happen to me near the end of the bus route when I'm going to be getting off anyway, so I never bother to move if it's only a few stops.

Also a hot blonde girl got on a sat next to me and when seats became available she stayed sitting next to me.

She was talking Russian on her phone the entire time, but still. IT TOTALLY COUNTS.



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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 4:52:00 PM   
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On trains, I reserve a seat, so that's never an issue.

On buses, I tend to stay put if I'm at a window seat (I'm not going to ask someone to shift only to plonk myself down somewhere else), but if I'm on an aisle seat and there's a space two-seater right next to me, I'm grabbing it. Usually I have a rucksack, which can ensure I'm left well enough alone.

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 4:52:04 PM   
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I find if I start wanking it pretty much guarantees the seat next to me being left alone.

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 4:54:33 PM   
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I find if I start wanking it pretty much guarantees the seat next to me being left alone.


In my experience it can get really awkward when it doesn't work though.

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 4:54:37 PM   
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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 4:56:01 PM   
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I find if I start wanking it pretty much guarantees the seat next to me being left alone.


In my experience it can get really awkward when it doesn't work though.


I don't try it in Norfolk, it tends to attract a crowd. So few of them have seen genitalia that doesn't belong to a relative.

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 4:59:07 PM   
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quote:

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I find if I start wanking it pretty much guarantees the seat next to me being left alone.


In my experience it can get really awkward when it doesn't work though.


I don't try it in Norfolk, it tends to attract a crowd. So few of them have seen genitalia that doesn't belong to a relative.


Yes but so few people in Norfolk are unrelated that it balances out.

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 5:33:46 PM   
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I tend to just grab a seat as soon as I see one - I find that in London and the surrounding areas, few would worry about offending me by doing the same!

Obviously there are exceptions - if I spot pregnant ladies or elderly folk around, I'll leave them the opportunity to get the seat first.

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 5:36:30 PM   
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While we're on this subject, does anybody here ever sit in First Class when there's no standard seats left?

I've heard conflicting views and information on this - mostly that it's ok to sit there if there isn't room elsewhere. I think it's mostly wishful thinking on everyone's part and I'm sure the conductor is probably obliged to make pay for the upgrade.

I ask because this happened to me this year. Boarded the train at the start of a 2.5hr journey and the carriages are packed. Fair play, that's my own fault for not booking a seat in advance. So I stand in the doorway area expecting people to get off at the following stops. However the opposite happened and more and more people crammed on. It was getting to the point my back was right up against the doors to the 1st class section and everybody around me kept moaning about the fact it was so busy, there were no seats, and it's a disgrace there are plenty of empty seats in the 1st class section.

The next stop even more folk crowded in, and I still had just under 2 hours to go. So I just said, 'fuck it', hit the button and grabbed myself a seat in 1st class, fully expecting everybody who'd been moaning about it to stream in behind me. Nobody did.

Eventually another lass around the same age as me appeared 5 minutes later and we chatted about it. Despite enjoying the seat and space around me, I couldn't quite relax for the whole journey wondering if the conductor was going to try to make me pay more or turf me out.

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 5:37:43 PM   
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I tend to just grab a seat as soon as I see one - I find that in London and the surrounding areas, few would worry about offending me by doing the same!

Obviously there are exceptions - if I spot pregnant ladies or elderly folk around, I'll challenge them to a bare knuckle fist fight to the death


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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 5:46:07 PM   
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I've got another, purely hypothetical scenario to share...

If you had a bag, and in this bag was a flask of coffee, and after putting your bag on the floor the flask somehow leaked and the entire contents of said flask leaked out onto the floor of the bus, creating a large, swirling black puddle right at your feet, which then spread out as the bus lurched side to side...

Would you immediately stand up and tell everyone so they know what's happened and can prevent their belongings from being spoiled?

Would you get off at the very next stop out of pure embarrassment at what's happened?

Or would you stay right where you were, avoiding looking at your bag and avoiding eye contact with everyone around you, while you sit there and try to look as though you've not noticed anything, ala the fart in a lift scenario? But with more mess. And even as you notice people looking down and cursing as they see their bags become stained with coffee.

Purely hypothetical...

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 6:00:12 PM   
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quote:

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I've got another, purely hypothetical scenario to share...

If you had a bag, and in this bag was a flask of coffee, and after putting your bag on the floor the flask somehow leaked and the entire contents of said flask leaked out onto the floor of the bus, creating a large, swirling black puddle right at your feet, which then spread out as the bus lurched side to side...

Would you immediately stand up and tell everyone so they know what's happened and can prevent their belongings from being spoiled?

Would you get off at the very next stop out of pure embarrassment at what's happened?

Or would you stay right where you were, avoiding looking at your bag and avoiding eye contact with everyone around you, while you sit there and try to look as though you've not noticed anything, ala the fart in a lift scenario? But with more mess. And even as you notice people looking down and cursing as they see their bags become stained with coffee.

Purely hypothetical...



Chances are, if I saw it happen to my bag I'd inadvertently loudly shout, 'oh shit!', and end up flapping about trying to salvage the immediate situation. I imagine this would end up attracting the attention of those sitting nearby anyway so they'd save their stuff themselves with me apologising. If I saw it was heading specifically in the direction of people who were clueless then I'd get up and tell them.

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 6:05:53 PM   
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While we're on this subject, does anybody here ever sit in First Class when there's no standard seats left?


Yep, a lot.

I get First Great Western (sardine express) and by the time it gets to my stop there are pretty much no seats left in standard. I could stand but when we get to the next stop it gets to the point where the guard gets irate because people are in the doorway because that many people got on and the doors can't close. If I was standing I would be crushed against someone less fragrant than me . If there are seats in standard I will sit in them, it's only when there aren't (fairly regularly) I don't. It gets to sardine conditions in first class as well.

On the bus, I'll stay sat where I am as can't be arsed to move (unless it is a smelly being but then I would have clocked that before I sat down and not sat down)

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 6:08:44 PM   
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quote:

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I've got another, purely hypothetical scenario to share...

If you had a bag, and in this bag was a flask of coffee, and after putting your bag on the floor the flask somehow leaked and the entire contents of said flask leaked out onto the floor of the bus, creating a large, swirling black puddle right at your feet, which then spread out as the bus lurched side to side...

Would you immediately stand up and tell everyone so they know what's happened and can prevent their belongings from being spoiled?

Would you get off at the very next stop out of pure embarrassment at what's happened?

Or would you stay right where you were, avoiding looking at your bag and avoiding eye contact with everyone around you, while you sit there and try to look as though you've not noticed anything, ala the fart in a lift scenario? But with more mess. And even as you notice people looking down and cursing as they see their bags become stained with coffee.

Purely hypothetical...

I was on a bus where a woman was being sick quietly and it wasn't until people started to notice the rivers of sick coursing down the bus did they realise! Bus driver stopped the bus and took it out of service (it stank!)

On your, sorry hypothetical, problem Hoody, I'd probably do the same as Sway

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 8:42:13 PM   
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Going back to the original question, I usually wait for a couple of stops before shifting. Generally the bus starts to empty after a certain point on the journey so once a double seat becomes available I can usually be sure no one will sit next to me as there's a good few others. Only really works on the journey home though. On the outward stretch the bus fills up at the same stops it empties on the return leg.

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 10:28:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: superdan

I find if I start wanking it pretty much guarantees the seat next to me being left alone.


In my experience it can get really awkward when it doesn't work though.


I don't try it in Norfolk, it tends to attract a crowd. So few of them have seen genitalia that doesn't belong to a relative.


Yes but so few people in Norfolk are unrelated that it balances out.





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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 10:48:27 PM   
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I can barely fit my legs into a normal bus seat. Like bed. I need to go diagonal. Unless I get something in return. Never happens on the bus. Rarely would I want it to.

So, anyway, I'm a bailer. First opportunity and I'm unjamming myself and lumbering towards the nearest sprawling opportunity.

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 11:07:47 PM   
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In response to Matty's puzzler. I'd just stand. As for Sway, I'd be tempted to but also prepared to pay more if needed. And I'll think of a solution to Hood's problem once I stop laughing

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 22/11/2012 11:59:30 PM   
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I don't like sitting next to people I don't know so I would move straight away if I could.

Sway's one, I've been on trains like that and I end up sitting between the carriage. On Twitter a while back, Calvin Harris was on a train and chanced sitting in First Class and spent the entire trip wondering if anyone was going to chuck him out (he said he'd have paid for a first class ticket if they had) but they didn't.

Hood's, I would stare into space and hope no-one realised it was me.

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 23/11/2012 12:00:35 AM   
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A real man would get off the bus and wait for the next one rather than sitting next to someone. R-right?

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 23/11/2012 1:23:57 AM   
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You might have to sit, or stand, next to someone on the stop though.

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 23/11/2012 9:30:24 AM   
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As for Sway, I'd be tempted to but also prepared to pay more if needed.


Well, there's one question answered about Gimli.


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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 23/11/2012 10:26:58 AM   
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I don't use any kind of peasant carrier to be honest, I don't mind conversing with a lot of you on a message board but God forbid I don't want to be near you.


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Also a hot blonde girl got on a sat next to me and when seats became available she stayed sitting next to me.




Typo. Amateur.

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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 23/11/2012 2:28:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: matty_b

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As for Sway, I'd be tempted to but also prepared to pay more if needed.


Well, there's one question answered about Gimli.





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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 23/11/2012 2:36:30 PM   
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I don't use any kind of peasant carrier to be honest, I don't mind conversing with a lot of you on a message board but God forbid I don't want to be near you.


quote:

ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

Also a hot blonde girl got on a sat next to me and when seats became available she stayed sitting next to me.




Typo. Amateur.


Actually the typo was typing "a" instead of "and" just before the word you emboldened...



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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 23/11/2012 2:42:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sway

While we're on this subject, does anybody here ever sit in First Class when there's no standard seats left?

I've heard conflicting views and information on this - mostly that it's ok to sit there if there isn't room elsewhere. I think it's mostly wishful thinking on everyone's part and I'm sure the conductor is probably obliged to make pay for the upgrade.

I ask because this happened to me this year. Boarded the train at the start of a 2.5hr journey and the carriages are packed. Fair play, that's my own fault for not booking a seat in advance. So I stand in the doorway area expecting people to get off at the following stops. However the opposite happened and more and more people crammed on. It was getting to the point my back was right up against the doors to the 1st class section and everybody around me kept moaning about the fact it was so busy, there were no seats, and it's a disgrace there are plenty of empty seats in the 1st class section.

The next stop even more folk crowded in, and I still had just under 2 hours to go. So I just said, 'fuck it', hit the button and grabbed myself a seat in 1st class, fully expecting everybody who'd been moaning about it to stream in behind me. Nobody did.

Eventually another lass around the same age as me appeared 5 minutes later and we chatted about it. Despite enjoying the seat and space around me, I couldn't quite relax for the whole journey wondering if the conductor was going to try to make me pay more or turf me out.


I think the problem is if they de 1st-class 1st class officially they need to reimburse the tickets of those there. But I've been on plenty of crowded trains where the conductors were happy to let it go when people used the only available seats in that carriage but normally only if there is a specific reason eg a previously cancelled train. Just normal rush hour crowding I've not seen it.


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RE: Bus and train etiquette - 23/11/2012 2:55:55 PM   
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I have to stand. Even if there are seats available. For health and safety reasons.

By that I mean the health and safety of other commuters.

It's the sniffing I can't stand. The endless fucking sniffing. It makes me homocidal.

It's been a couple of years since I had to commute, using both FGW and SW Trains. It was hell. One time I was sat opposite a rotund gentlemen who, despite sneezing into his hand, still managed to splatter his nasal fluids against my arm. I also nearly got into a fight with a bloke about the volume of his I-pod. It wasn't pretty.

I hated it so much I wrote a book about it.

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