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Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 17/11/2012 7:13:19 AM   
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Let's note the difference.

Grammatical errors - People make grammatical errors because they have a deep-set lack of understanding of the basic tenets of English grammar.

Typographical errors - On the other hand, people make typographical errors - colloquially known as "typos" - because they have fat fingers or are too lazy to type properly.

That title was very hard to mis-type. It felt all kinds of wrong.


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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 17/11/2012 9:23:25 AM   
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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 17/11/2012 9:39:21 AM   
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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 17/11/2012 9:57:59 AM   
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Let's note the difference.

Grammatical errors - People make grammatical errors because they have a deep-set lack of understanding of the basic tenets of English grammar.

Typographical errors - On the other hand, people make typographical errors - colloquially known as "typos" - because they have fat fingers or are too lazy to type properly.

That title was very hard to mis-type. It felt all kinds of wrong.



Thats not true. Sometimes I make grammatical errors but it may just be the speed I'm typing and I don't think about what I'm typing. And sometimes I don't use apostrophes because I'm lazy, not because I don't know.


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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 18/11/2012 2:32:26 AM   
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Grammatical Error's


Is the unnecessary apostrophe intentional?

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 18/11/2012 2:05:12 PM   
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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 18/11/2012 5:03:03 PM   
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What does =/= mean?

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 18/11/2012 7:23:19 PM   
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Not equal.

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 19/11/2012 12:59:37 AM   
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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 1/12/2012 12:27:25 PM   
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I do hate it when people use an apostrophe on a plural. That really annoy's me.

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 5/12/2012 7:58:43 PM   
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Pedants - do you think that rules of grammar are set in stone and should never be shifted or altered? Should there never be an exception? As I see it, language is about communicating to another person your meaning, and the best way of doing that, is often, by obeying some rules set in place - of course.
But I'll give you an example, I was reading an (archive) interview with Lee Mavers, then singer with a band called The La's, who are named after that scouse thing of saying "La" at the end of every sentence. They mean there is more than one la, so its plural and shouldn't have an apostraphe, by the rules of English. When picked up on this, Mavers replied that people would call them The Las (like Las Vegas) and not say it properly if they didn't have the (erronous) apostraphe, so they put it in - to communicate the way it was supposed to be said. Is this kind of misuse of the English language okay, or is it still annoying?

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 5/12/2012 8:52:16 PM   
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"Typograpical"?

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 5/12/2012 9:01:27 PM   
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I sent someone an email at work saying thank you for some help they gave me.

They replied with "your welcome."


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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 6/12/2012 12:31:50 AM   
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"Typograpical"?



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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 6/12/2012 4:04:51 AM   
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I sent someone an email at work saying thank you for some help they gave me.

They replied with "your welcome."




Your welcome what? maybe they accidentally  hit send before finishing  ;)

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 6/12/2012 5:10:58 AM   
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Pedants - do you think that rules of grammar are set in stone and should never be shifted or altered? Should there never be an exception? As I see it, language is about communicating to another person your meaning, and the best way of doing that, is often, by obeying some rules set in place - of course.
But I'll give you an example, I was reading an (archive) interview with Lee Mavers, then singer with a band called The La's, who are named after that scouse thing of saying "La" at the end of every sentence. They mean there is more than one la, so its plural and shouldn't have an apostraphe, by the rules of English. When picked up on this, Mavers replied that people would call them The Las (like Las Vegas) and not say it properly if they didn't have the (erronous) apostraphe, so they put it in - to communicate the way it was supposed to be said. Is this kind of misuse of the English language okay, or is it still annoying?



Interesting case, but at least they did it deliberately for a reason, not just because they couldn't grasp a simple rule. Of course techinically it changes the meaning of the word, so now people are pronouncing it right, but they're getting the wrong meaning. So what's more pedantic- being annoyed by wrong punctuation, or being annoyed by wrong pronunciation? When its just a band name you can mess with it because it doesn't really need to convey any information. Its a bit different if its an actual sentence that's supposed to say something.

We know its not the end of the world (probably), its just annoying that people can't grasp (or haven't been taught) a simple rule.

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 6/12/2012 8:50:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rich


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"Typograpical"?





Yes. A typographical error in the phrase "typographical errors" and a grammatical error in the phrase "typographical errors".

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Pedants - do you think that rules of grammar are set in stone and should never be shifted or altered? Should there never be an exception? As I see it, language is about communicating to another person your meaning, and the best way of doing that, is often, by obeying some rules set in place - of course.
But I'll give you an example, I was reading an (archive) interview with Lee Mavers, then singer with a band called The La's, who are named after that scouse thing of saying "La" at the end of every sentence. They mean there is more than one la, so its plural and shouldn't have an apostraphe, by the rules of English. When picked up on this, Mavers replied that people would call them The Las (like Las Vegas) and not say it properly if they didn't have the (erronous) apostraphe, so they put it in - to communicate the way it was supposed to be said. Is this kind of misuse of the English language okay, or is it still annoying?



Interesting case, but at least they did it deliberately for a reason, not just because they couldn't grasp a simple rule. Of course techinically it changes the meaning of the word, so now people are pronouncing it right, but they're getting the wrong meaning. So what's more pedantic- being annoyed by wrong punctuation, or being annoyed by wrong pronunciation? When its just a band name you can mess with it because it doesn't really need to convey any information. Its a bit different if its an actual sentence that's supposed to say something.

We know its not the end of the world (probably), its just annoying that people can't grasp (or haven't been taught) a simple rule.


Please be intentional for irony please be intentional for irony please be intentional for irony please be intentional for irony.

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 6/12/2012 11:51:54 AM   
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The problem with having a pop at people's grammar is that you are always gonna make mistakes yourself isn't it? Mind you, I do think people who genuinely get annoyed at this kind of thing are a bit mental.


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Interesting case, but at least they did it deliberately for a reason, not just because they couldn't grasp a simple rule. Of course techinically it changes the meaning of the word, so now people are pronouncing it right, but they're getting the wrong meaning.


But I think everyone got the meaning, which means that it was, I think, acceptable to mess around with the language. Anything that gets your point across basically.  


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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 6/12/2012 12:03:46 PM   
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Bands can do what they like with grammar and punctuation 'cos they're way cooler than the people who obsess about these things - see God Speed You, Black Emperor!'s decision to shift the comma in their name purely because they could.

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 6/12/2012 12:48:20 PM   
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Generally I find bands that use punctuation in their names a bit suspect. Like Hadouken!

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 6/12/2012 1:45:18 PM   
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Exclamation marks are a bit rubbish, but I always liked Therapy?'s question mark (though it was only added to fill a bit of space on the cassette case of their first demo. Which is even cooler).

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 6/12/2012 2:00:51 PM   
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Obviously the definitive one is !!!, who managed to make themselves ungooglable in the internet age. Great job guys.

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 6/12/2012 2:55:36 PM   
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For Ungooglable things, cf O, the high school-set adaptation of Othello. Yeah, really easy to find that on Amazon...

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 6/12/2012 2:58:01 PM   
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M.I.A named her last album /\/\/\Y/\ (her name's Maya, see) to make it ungooglable and thus harder to pirate. The album is concerned with our relationship with the internet and Born Free is a tune so I let it slide.

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 6/12/2012 4:15:00 PM   
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M.I.A named her last album /\/\/\Y/\ (her name's Maya, see) to make it ungooglable and thus harder to pirate. The album is concerned with our relationship with the internet and Born Free is a tune so I let it slide.


I suspect that is not the tune I think it is.

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 6/12/2012 4:23:10 PM   
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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 6/12/2012 4:25:25 PM   
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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 6/12/2012 4:29:17 PM   
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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 7/12/2012 3:13:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

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ORIGINAL: rich


quote:

ORIGINAL: Larry of Arabia

"Typograpical"?





Yes. A typographical error in the phrase "typographical errors" and a grammatical error in the phrase "typographical errors".

Where's the Picard facepalm...



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ORIGINAL: Sotto Voce


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ORIGINAL: Rhubarb

Pedants - do you think that rules of grammar are set in stone and should never be shifted or altered? Should there never be an exception? As I see it, language is about communicating to another person your meaning, and the best way of doing that, is often, by obeying some rules set in place - of course.
But I'll give you an example, I was reading an (archive) interview with Lee Mavers, then singer with a band called The La's, who are named after that scouse thing of saying "La" at the end of every sentence. They mean there is more than one la, so its plural and shouldn't have an apostraphe, by the rules of English. When picked up on this, Mavers replied that people would call them The Las (like Las Vegas) and not say it properly if they didn't have the (erronous) apostraphe, so they put it in - to communicate the way it was supposed to be said. Is this kind of misuse of the English language okay, or is it still annoying?



Interesting case, but at least they did it deliberately for a reason, not just because they couldn't grasp a simple rule. Of course techinically it changes the meaning of the word, so now people are pronouncing it right, but they're getting the wrong meaning. So what's more pedantic- being annoyed by wrong punctuation, or being annoyed by wrong pronunciation? When its just a band name you can mess with it because it doesn't really need to convey any information. Its a bit different if its an actual sentence that's supposed to say something.

We know its not the end of the world (probably), its just annoying that people can't grasp (or haven't been taught) a simple rule.


Please be intentional for irony please be intentional for irony please be intentional for irony please be intentional for irony.


Damn. It was 50/50. I do have trouble with its and it's. They should both have apostrophes, but one doesn't. It's a bit less straightforward than plurals.

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RE: Typograpical Errors =/= Grammatical Error's - 7/2/2013 11:02:09 PM   
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Pedants - do you think that rules of grammar are set in stone and should never be shifted or altered? Should there never be an exception? As I see it, language is about communicating to another person your meaning, and the best way of doing that, is often, by obeying some rules set in place - of course.
But I'll give you an example, I was reading an (archive) interview with Lee Mavers, then singer with a band called The La's, who are named after that scouse thing of saying "La" at the end of every sentence. They mean there is more than one la, so its plural and shouldn't have an apostraphe, by the rules of English. When picked up on this, Mavers replied that people would call them The Las (like Las Vegas) and not say it properly if they didn't have the (erronous) apostraphe, so they put it in - to communicate the way it was supposed to be said. Is this kind of misuse of the English language okay, or is it still annoying?


I'm glad you explained that - I love The La's, and being a fully paid-up member of the grammar gestapo, that apostrophe has troubled me before.

I think it's okay because it's intentional in order to guide pronunciation. Led Zeppelin did the same; had they spelt it 'Lead' then the pronunciation and meaning would be ambiguous. So they dropped the 'a' and everyone knew what they meant.

Musicians have creative carte blanche when it comes to names, really. I get more bugged by ones who mess with spelling/punctuation in a sad attempt to be trendy, like 'Ke$ha'. Especially as they are invariably shit. (Yes like you, Will.I.Am.)

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