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BRs out now that you should really wait for a future ve... - 1/11/2012 11:14:55 AM   
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Star Trek movies 1, 2, 6 (no Directors cuts on BR yet)

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 2/11/2012 1:21:01 AM   
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I'll agree with Star Wars. What is the current version of Star Trek 6?

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 2/11/2012 9:34:33 AM   
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only the theatrical version in on BR unlike the 2 disc dvd which has the DC (same for I and II)

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 2/11/2012 12:16:38 PM   
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The current UK versions (available as part of a double pack or a stand alone release) of The French Connection have the same appalling transfer. William Friedkin and Owen Roizman have recently overseen a further remaster which is currently only available in the States (albeit on a region free disc), so expect it to make its way over here soon.

The French Connection 2 transfer, on the other hand, is sublime.

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 2/11/2012 12:30:32 PM   
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AvP twin pack - the BR has hardly any AvP extras and the theatrical cut of AvPR only

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 2/11/2012 1:55:26 PM   
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The BR editions of SW eps 4-6 are the directors cuts of the films.The original theatrical versions will never be released again and nor should they be.Only a small ( though admittedly very vocal ) minority of SW fans are interested in them.

Star Trek TMP on Blu is a must as it is vastly superior to the original theatrical release.Either version of Treks 2 and 6 work for me.

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 2/11/2012 7:02:01 PM   
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Tell that to Richard Marquand and Irvin Kershner....

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ORIGINAL: jackcarter

only the theatrical version in on BR unlike the 2 disc dvd which has the DC (same for I and II)


Honestly I never realised it had any different cuts, unlike the first and second which are usually talked about.

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 2/11/2012 10:01:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rich

Tell that to Richard Marquand and Irvin Kershner....

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ORIGINAL: jackcarter

only the theatrical version in on BR unlike the 2 disc dvd which has the DC (same for I and II)


Honestly I never realised it had any different cuts, unlike the first and second which are usually talked about.


Irvin Kershner worked on the special edition of Empire with Lucas.and before Marquand passed away he admitted that he was just a hired hand directing Jedi.The SW films are Lucas's to do as he pleases.

What the details of the new deal with Disney is anybodys guess but Lucas has been adamant that the original theatricals will never be available again.




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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 2/11/2012 10:07:42 PM   
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Lucas and his Lucasfilm cronies ain't in control anymore punk.

And you can't tell me that:

a) Fox won't wont to squeeze every last cent out of the Star Wars series before their distribution deal ends --- releasing OT = $$$

or

b) Disney won't want to make a dent in that $4 billion investment by releasing them either.


They will come. It is inevitable. One way or another.

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 4/11/2012 1:25:19 AM   
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Lucas and his Lucasfilm cronies ain't in control anymore punk.

And you can't tell me that:

a) Fox won't wont to squeeze every last cent out of the Star Wars series before their distribution deal ends --- releasing OT = $$$

or

b) Disney won't want to make a dent in that $4 billion investment by releasing them either.


They will come. It is inevitable. One way or another.


" punk " ? Any chance you can partake in a discussion without using crude name calling? Grow up a small bit will you?

Anyway, the market for the OT 's of the classic trilogy isnt that great to justify a full ( and pricey) restoration.The vast majority of the fanbase are happy with the BR's.

Judge Dredd is a film that could do with a Danny cannon approved directors cut on blu.I was hoping it wud happen with the release of the new Dredd film but alas, the same shitty cut has been released instead.Shame.


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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 4/11/2012 1:33:10 AM   
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I was referring to your avatar, scum.

Lighten up.

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 5/11/2012 12:44:48 PM   
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Kingdom Of Heaven - I understand the BR is missing all the lovely special features on the 4 disc DVD?

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 5/11/2012 3:57:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: directorscut

I was referring to your avatar, scum.

Lighten up.


Ah, fair enough Duke.

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 5/11/2012 4:34:10 PM   
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Surely 90% of the OT has been remastered already, and it's only the unaltered footage that needs to be restored. I can't imagine it would take a big dent out of $4bn, especially since they would sell loads.

At the very least, anyone with an interest in film preservation and the series in general would want a Blade Runner style release with all the various cuts included, so the viewer can make the choice. I'm pretty sure that wasn't prohibitively expensive for Ridley to put together, and that wasn't a multimedia merchandising behemoth like SW is.

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 6/11/2012 12:21:47 AM   
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No it's been remastered in a way that oversaturates it to death compared to the original print, along with many recomposited shots which initially look unaltered. It's not just taking away jarring CG and stuff and putting back the original dialogue. But that's another story. I would totally buy a Blade Runner style all bells and whistles edition.

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 6/11/2012 12:49:45 PM   
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Without wanting to keep the SW boulder tumbling, are Disney still in the (relative) shit?

If they are, I guess it can go either way - either they WILL do a bells and whistles DVD/blu ray release a la Blade Runner (and maybe do a Jaws style cinema re-release as well) in the hope that it will improve the company's stock, or they won't bother with any of that because of how much it would initially cost.

Which doesn't really answer the question...

Anyways, back on topic - the current Dollars trilogy is a bit of a mixed bag. For a Few Dollars More is pretty good, but Fistful and GBU are actually not as good as the US DVD remasters that came out late 90s/early 00s.

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 7/11/2012 12:40:06 PM   
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do you really think that George Lucas hasn't got copies of the original trilogy stashed away somewhere?
this man is renowned for being anal it's my bet that you'll see the original trilogy sometime next year, i can just see Mr Lucas now out on his Ranch beating a dead horse

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 7/11/2012 8:50:07 PM   
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Stashed in the Library of Congress....

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Anyways, back on topic - the current Dollars trilogy is a bit of a mixed bag. For a Few Dollars More is pretty good, but Fistful and GBU are actually not as good as the US DVD remasters that came out late 90s/early 00s.


That's a shame, The Good... is along those I have on the upgrade list.

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RE: BRs out now that you should really wait for a futur... - 8/11/2012 10:25:29 AM   
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am still waiting for QoS UE.

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 8/11/2012 11:27:29 AM   
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Kingdom Of Heaven - I understand the BR is missing all the lovely special features on the 4 disc DVD?


Alas, that is true. Which is why I kept hold of mine. Great packaging too.

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 8/11/2012 1:17:32 PM   
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quote:

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Anyways, back on topic - the current Dollars trilogy is a bit of a mixed bag. For a Few Dollars More is pretty good, but Fistful and GBU are actually not as good as the US DVD remasters that came out late 90s/early 00s.


I thought all three looked great on Blu. The blus are way better than any DVD release.

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 8/11/2012 1:34:28 PM   
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I thought all three looked great on Blu. The blus are way better than any DVD release.


GBU has a LOT of DNR applied to it - compared to previous DVD releases it's similar to (albeit slightly better than) the previous DVD remaster, which itself was not as good as the first region 1 remaster (in my opinion). There's some more talk about this in reviews on Amazon.

It's a shame, cos blu ray is perfect for the techniscope format, but the DNR ruins/off-sets the benefit.

To be fair it's nowhere near as bad as the DNR mess of The French Connection (which is about the worst blu ray transfer I've laid eyes on) and many people wouldn't pick up on it, but being averse to DNR it sticks out like a sore thumb to me.

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 8/11/2012 1:48:31 PM   
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quote:

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I thought all three looked great on Blu. The blus are way better than any DVD release.


GBU has a LOT of DNR applied to it - compared to previous DVD releases it's similar to (albeit slightly better than) the previous DVD remaster, which itself was not as good as the first region 1 remaster (in my opinion). There's some more talk about this in reviews on Amazon.

It's a shame, cos blu ray is perfect for the techniscope format, but the DNR ruins/off-sets the benefit.

To be fair it's nowhere near as bad as the DNR mess of The French Connection (which is about the worst blu ray transfer I've laid eyes on) and many people wouldn't pick up on it, but being averse to DNR it sticks out like a sore thumb to me.


DNR or not though, there's still way more detail in a high definition presentation than a DVD one, even if some of it has been scrubbed away by overly keen DNR. I'd never trust any reviews on Amazon!

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 8/11/2012 1:58:50 PM   
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I'd never trust any reviews on Amazon!


Neither do I - I trust my eyes, and that's what my eyes tell me.

It's just that one or two of the reviews go into more technical detail.

Having done an almost side-by-side comparison between my R1 DVD and the blu ray of GBU, yes the print on the blu looks "newer" but it also looks slightly fake, as if some of it has been cleaned up with CGI. Whereas the old R1 DVD looks more like it did on the big screen (and I am fortunate enough to have seen a celluloid print of GBU on the big screen).

It's the same as how some albums on heavy vinyl sound much better than their digitally remastered counterparts on CD.

But please don't take any of this to mean I'm some blu ray doubter - by and large, blu is an excellent step forward in home entertainment. It's just every now and again the studios/releasing company drop the ball.

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 8/11/2012 5:01:16 PM   
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To be fair it's nowhere near as bad as the DNR mess of The French Connection (which is about the worst blu ray transfer I've laid eyes on) and many people wouldn't pick up on it, but being averse to DNR it sticks out like a sore thumb to me.


I always thought The French Connection situation was down to contrast boosting and colour manipulation, as opposed to DNR. While the results of Friedkin's tampering are up for debate (I think it's a pretty interesting experiment, although the regular version should have been included), there's more to it than the mass application of digital effects ala Predator: Friedkin was actually trying something else here.

Robert Harris talks about it here -

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/282606/a-few-words-about-the-french-connection-in-blu-ray

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 8/11/2012 5:35:03 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD
I'd never trust any reviews on Amazon!


Neither do I - I trust my eyes, and that's what my eyes tell me.

It's just that one or two of the reviews go into more technical detail.

Having done an almost side-by-side comparison between my R1 DVD and the blu ray of GBU, yes the print on the blu looks "newer" but it also looks slightly fake, as if some of it has been cleaned up with CGI. Whereas the old R1 DVD looks more like it did on the big screen (and I am fortunate enough to have seen a celluloid print of GBU on the big screen).

It's the same as how some albums on heavy vinyl sound much better than their digitally remastered counterparts on CD.

But please don't take any of this to mean I'm some blu ray doubter - by and large, blu is an excellent step forward in home entertainment. It's just every now and again the studios/releasing company drop the ball.


The MGM Blu-ray uses the exact same master as the SE DVD: http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/index.php?vergleich=the_good_the_bad_and_the_ugly

The Italian Blu-ray uses a brand new master that blows it out of the water: http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cID=664#auswahl

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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 8/11/2012 8:49:40 PM   
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I always thought The French Connection situation was down to contrast boosting and colour manipulation, as opposed to DNR. While the results of Friedkin's tampering are up for debate (I think it's a pretty interesting experiment, although the regular version should have been included), there's more to it than the mass application of digital effects ala Predator: Friedkin was actually trying something else here.

Robert Harris talks about it here -

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/282606/a-few-words-about-the-french-connection-in-blu-ray


Ah, I didn't realise it was that. All I know is that when I saw it demoed I thought it looked dreadful so decided to stick with my DVD for now. I just assumed it was DNR at play. But, either way, ridiculous - as you say, at least include a "proper" version as well. Don't pull a George Lucas and fuck the whole thing up forevermore!


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The MGM Blu-ray uses the exact same master as the SE DVD: http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/index.php?vergleich=the_good_the_bad_and_the_ugly

The Italian Blu-ray uses a brand new master that blows it out of the water: http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cID=664#auswahl


Which confirms my thoughts and findings - the old R1 DVD is much closer to the new Italian print, albeit with not as good clarity and depth.


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RE: BRs out now that you should wait for a future verison? - 9/11/2012 6:50:02 PM   
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quote:

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I'd never trust any reviews on Amazon!


Neither do I - I trust my eyes, and that's what my eyes tell me.

It's just that one or two of the reviews go into more technical detail.

Having done an almost side-by-side comparison between my R1 DVD and the blu ray of GBU, yes the print on the blu looks "newer" but it also looks slightly fake, as if some of it has been cleaned up with CGI. Whereas the old R1 DVD looks more like it did on the big screen (and I am fortunate enough to have seen a celluloid print of GBU on the big screen).

It's the same as how some albums on heavy vinyl sound much better than their digitally remastered counterparts on CD.

But please don't take any of this to mean I'm some blu ray doubter - by and large, blu is an excellent step forward in home entertainment. It's just every now and again the studios/releasing company drop the ball.


Can't argue with this mate, fair enough. I really am pleased with the UK Blu, but would love to see the Italian version if it is indeed better.

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RE: BRs out now that you should really wait for a futur... - 12/11/2012 10:24:40 AM   
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Star Trek movies 1, 2, 6 (no Directors cuts on BR yet)

Star Wars IV, V, VI (BR dont include original versions)




they are not really d cs acccording to nick meyer's recent commentaries on the BDs for II and VI.

the 2001 version of TMP is a d c and deserves a Bd release a s a p.

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RE: BRs out now that you should really wait for a futur... - 19/11/2012 12:50:43 PM   
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'armageddon' and 'speed'.

i hope the upcoming id4 3d BD is a triple play.

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