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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 4:04:04 PM   
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Putting a female lead in a new Starwars movie will not work. It wasn't my sister who emotionally blackmailed my parents into buying me hundreds of pounds worth of videos, action figures, sandwich boxes, lightsabres .....



The Hunger Games made something like $400m in the US last year - that's Dark Knight territory. Audiences are perfectly happy to watch a young female lead in a sci-fi film.


Hunger games is not starwars, its a movie about children killing children. Completely different kinds of movie and I would argue the main audience is women.The same could be said about Twilight!. Starwars is a different kettle of womp-rats altogether.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 6:07:50 PM   
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Danny is right in that the main target audience for The Hunger Games and Twilight is mainly young girls. I would also say that the main audience for Star Wars is young boys.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 6:42:42 PM   
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Putting a female lead in a new Starwars movie will not work. It wasn't my sister who emotionally blackmailed my parents into buying me hundreds of pounds worth of videos, action figures, sandwich boxes, lightsabres .....



The Hunger Games made something like $400m in the US last year - that's Dark Knight territory. Audiences are perfectly happy to watch a young female lead in a sci-fi film.


Hunger games is not starwars, its a movie about children killing children. Completely different kinds of movie and I would argue the main audience is women.The same could be said about Twilight!. Starwars is a different kettle of womp-rats altogether.


And "Starwars" is two words. Star. Wars. Just saying...

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 7:44:32 PM   
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Female protagonist!! no thanks!! . Lukes son or nothing!!


So... if there is a female protagonist, you're not going to watch this film?

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 8:22:19 PM   
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I honestly don't see what the problem is in getting a female protagonist to front VII, if indeed that's what Arndt and Abrams are planning.



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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 8:23:48 PM   
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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 8:27:37 PM   
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Didn't do Alien or Terminator any harm,but why should it.


True Lies notwithstanding James Cameron's films all have really good female leads kicking ass all over the place, and those films appeal to both men and women.

The argument that this wouldn't work in a Star Wars because "it's meant for boys" is weak.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 8:41:47 PM   
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Didn't do Alien or Terminator any harm,but why should it.


True Lies notwithstanding James Cameron's films all have really good female leads kicking ass all over the place, and those films appeal to both men and women.

The argument that this wouldn't work in a Star Wars because "it's meant for boys" is weak.


Yep.
At the end of the day its about how good the end product is.If its crap then that's (hopefully) irrespective rether the lead is male or female,but I'm sure the fanboys will have there say on that matter.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 9:21:07 PM   
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Putting a female lead in a new Starwars movie will not work. It wasn't my sister who emotionally blackmailed my parents into buying me hundreds of pounds worth of videos, action figures, sandwich boxes, lightsabres .....



The Hunger Games made something like $400m in the US last year - that's Dark Knight territory. Audiences are perfectly happy to watch a young female lead in a sci-fi film.


Hunger games is not starwars, its a movie about children killing children. Completely different kinds of movie and I would argue the main audience is women.The same could be said about Twilight!. Starwars is a different kettle of womp-rats altogether.


And "Starwars" is two words. Star. Wars. Just saying...


Your clearly a petty jerk...just saying


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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 9:21:58 PM   
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Didn't do Alien or Terminator any harm,but why should it.

again not the same target audience

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 9:27:36 PM   
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Didn't do Alien or Terminator any harm,but why should it.


True Lies notwithstanding James Cameron's films all have really good female leads kicking ass all over the place, and those films appeal to both men and women.

The argument that this wouldn't work in a Star Wars because "it's meant for boys" is weak.


No, its not even an argument, its pretty much just the way it is. Star-wars main audience is boys/men. Would a female lead work, maybe. Would a female lead be more popular and make as much money on the
box office and franchising as a movie with a male lead, no.


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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 9:32:00 PM   
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A female lead isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not there should be a black Han Solo.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 9:33:45 PM   
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A female lead isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not there should be a black Han Solo.


Cast a horse as Han. Problem solved.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 9:35:19 PM   
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Danny is right in that the main target audience for The Hunger Games and Twilight is mainly young girls. I would also say that the main audience for Star Wars is young boys.


Indeed. There is a reason the film makers haven't bothered to showcase a female Jedi in any of the six movies!.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 9:36:15 PM   
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A female lead isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not there should be a black Han Solo.

Who wants to watch a black Han Solo!!!!

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 9:36:54 PM   
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A female lead isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not there should be a black Han Solo.


Cast a horse as Han. Problem solved.


Which horse?.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 9:41:18 PM   
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Triple posting twice on the same page? Use the edit button, seriously.

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Danny is right in that the main target audience for The Hunger Games and Twilight is mainly young girls. I would also say that the main audience for Star Wars is young boys.



Being right or wrong is nothing to do with it. The arguing is pointless when this is how a major film studio will be thinking, and their views are what will actually matter in the end product. The hero of a new Star Wars film will be a young 20-something male actor.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 29/1/2013 9:44:42 PM   
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Triple posting twice on the same page? Use the edit button, seriously.

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Danny is right in that the main target audience for The Hunger Games and Twilight is mainly young girls. I would also say that the main audience for Star Wars is young boys.



Being right or wrong is nothing to do with it. The arguing is pointless when this is how a major film studio will be thinking, and their views are what will actually matter in the end product. The hero of a new Star Wars film will be a young 20-something male actor.


Hopefully it will be Dane DeHaan!!! :)

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 30/1/2013 9:21:17 AM   
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I think a female lead could be a good idea. I'd certainly pay to watch it. Give her a different skill-set from Luke (if she is a Jedi), make her more intune with the Force, like Yoda standards throwing stuff about. Some dark side agent trying to corrupt her into the ultimate weapon, she turns briefly or even fully by the end of the movie.

Or even being alone and scared of her powers, not sure what she's doing and no-one to guide her. The dark side trying to locate her, the Jedi only learning about her near the end of VII.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 30/1/2013 9:47:30 AM   
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Danny is right in that the main target audience for The Hunger Games and Twilight is mainly young girls. I would also say that the main audience for Star Wars is young boys.


Indeed. There is a reason the film makers haven't bothered to showcase a female Jedi in any of the six movies!.



There were several females on the Jedi Council. And Aayla Secura is seen prominently in Episode II and being killed by her troopers in Episode III.

I'm just saying. There are female Jedi.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 30/1/2013 10:34:41 AM   
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Danny is right in that the main target audience for The Hunger Games and Twilight is mainly young girls. I would also say that the main audience for Star Wars is young boys.


Indeed. There is a reason the film makers haven't bothered to showcase a female Jedi in any of the six movies!.



There were several females on the Jedi Council. And Aayla Secura is seen prominently in Episode II and being killed by her troopers in Episode III.

I'm just saying. There are female Jedi.


Exactly. Background fodder

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 30/1/2013 11:01:35 AM   
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I think a female lead could be a good idea. I'd certainly pay to watch it. Give her a different skill-set from Luke (if she is a Jedi), make her more intune with the Force, like Yoda standards throwing stuff about. Some dark side agent trying to corrupt her into the ultimate weapon, she turns briefly or even fully by the end of the movie.

Or even being alone and scared of her powers, not sure what she's doing and no-one to guide her. The dark side trying to locate her, the Jedi only learning about her near the end of VII.


Yep.
I think it'll be interesting if they chose a female lead,but the story needs to fit and they cant just choose a female lead for the sake of being different.
If a female lead was chosen I still think the general Star Wars fanboys/public wouldn't mind,unless they're sexist dimwits.

And who's to say there cant be two leads.One Male and one Female.Maybe the future films could depict there different journeys,struggles in different episodes.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 30/1/2013 11:13:14 AM   
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Danny is right in that the main target audience for The Hunger Games and Twilight is mainly young girls. I would also say that the main audience for Star Wars is young boys.


Indeed. There is a reason the film makers haven't bothered to showcase a female Jedi in any of the six movies!.



There were several females on the Jedi Council. And Aayla Secura is seen prominently in Episode II and being killed by her troopers in Episode III.

I'm just saying. There are female Jedi.


Exactly. Background fodder


Who are both extremely popular with the fanbase, to the point that there are entire episodes of The Clone Wars and areas of the Expanded Universe who deal with them. If your point is that the Star Wars audience will only accept male leads, this alone proves you wrong.

In fact, it says a lot more about you than most Star Wars fans...

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 30/1/2013 11:18:17 AM   
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And who's to say there cant be two leads.One Male and one Female.Maybe the future films could depict there different journeys,struggles in different episodes.


Exactly. After-all, the original had three leads (albeit unknown), one of whom was - gosh darnit - a young woman who, despite having to be rescued in the traditional sense, could still hold her own and not tolerate any of Solo's bullshit. Whilst I doubt Episode VII will feature any one single lead of either gender I see nothing weird about females of any age appearing among an ensemble. Maybe Disney and Lucasfilm will want to broaden the demographic. Not that they really need to.

I asked my wife if she enjoyed Star Wars as a young girl. She said yes, because she "wanted to marry Harrison Ford". I remember loving Star Wars because I wanted to fly spaceships. I'm sure the creators of Episode VII can cater to both viewpoints there.


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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 30/1/2013 11:21:55 AM   
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And who's to say there cant be two leads.One Male and one Female.Maybe the future films could depict there different journeys,struggles in different episodes.


Exactly. After-all, the original had three leads (albeit unknown), one of whom was - gosh darnit - a young woman who, despite having to be rescued in the traditional sense, could still hold her own and not tolerate any of Solo's bullshit.Whilst I doubt Episode VII will feature any one single lead of either gender I see nothing weird about females of any age appearing among an ensemble. Maybe Disney and Lucasfilm will want to broaden the demographic. Not that they really need to.

I asked my wife if she enjoyed Star Wars as a young girl. She said yes, because she "wanted to marry Harrison Ford". I remember loving Star Wars because I wanted to fly spaceships. I'm sure the creators of Episode VII can cater to both viewpoints there.



This! The earliest example of a strong female character in (movie) sci-fi!

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 30/1/2013 11:34:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dannybohy

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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

Danny is right in that the main target audience for The Hunger Games and Twilight is mainly young girls. I would also say that the main audience for Star Wars is young boys.


Indeed. There is a reason the film makers haven't bothered to showcase a female Jedi in any of the six movies!.



There were several females on the Jedi Council. And Aayla Secura is seen prominently in Episode II and being killed by her troopers in Episode III.

I'm just saying. There are female Jedi.


Exactly. Background fodder


Who are both extremely popular with the fanbase, to the point that there are entire episodes of The Clone Wars and areas of the Expanded Universe who deal with them. If your point is that the Star Wars audience will only accept male leads, this alone proves you wrong.

In fact, it says a lot more about you than most Star Wars fans...


What does it say about me exactly?. That I am male!?. Because I personally wouldn't of wanted a Star wars lunch box with a female Jedi on the front when I was kid!!? yeh I wouldn't! nor would every single boy in my school!.The original Star wars would not have been the success it was with female lead, nor will any future Star Wars movie, the studio know this and its just the way it is, it doesn't day anything negative about me as you would like to think. I am not a bit interested in seeing a female lead, are you suggesting that makes me a sexist ?.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 30/1/2013 11:34:57 AM   
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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 30/1/2013 11:38:06 AM   
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It says that you're a sexist pig, actually considering there are female characters so popular among the fans of the films that they are protagonists of their own stories, and you're the only person I've seen who is so dead set against a female lead character in the films (despite the fact there has been a female lead character in all but one of the six films released so far - Padme was sidelined to a secondary character in Episode III for some reason).

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 30/1/2013 11:41:36 AM   
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And who's to say there cant be two leads.One Male and one Female.Maybe the future films could depict there different journeys,struggles in different episodes.


Exactly. After-all, the original had three leads (albeit unknown), one of whom was - gosh darnit - a young woman who, despite having to be rescued in the traditional sense, could still hold her own and not tolerate any of Solo's bullshit.Whilst I doubt Episode VII will feature any one single lead of either gender I see nothing weird about females of any age appearing among an ensemble. Maybe Disney and Lucasfilm will want to broaden the demographic. Not that they really need to.

I asked my wife if she enjoyed Star Wars as a young girl. She said yes, because she "wanted to marry Harrison Ford". I remember loving Star Wars because I wanted to fly spaceships. I'm sure the creators of Episode VII can cater to both viewpoints there.



This! The earliest example of a strong female character in (movie) sci-fi!


yeh! i agree ,especially as damsel in distress, bikini clad slave girl and object of the two male leads desire! one of which must of took a long cleansing shower after RoTJ.

Maybe Ripley would of been a more appropriate retort ?....

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 30/1/2013 11:51:12 AM   
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It says that you're a sexist pig, actually considering there are female characters so popular among the fans of the films that they are protagonists of their own stories, and you're the only person I've seen who is so dead set against a female lead character in the films (despite the fact there has been a female lead character in all but one of the six films released so far - Padme was sidelined to a secondary character in Episode III for some reason).


Well why didn't you just come right out and say it in the first place. . No, I am not remotely interested in a female lead, you think thats enough to make a personally attack and call me a sexist pig?. Says more about you than me....

There was no female lead in any of the six movies.

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