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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 12:06:50 AM

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http://uk.eonline.com/news/361992/new-star-wars-films-quentin-tarantino-not-so-thrilled

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 5:54:43 AM

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They should get Tarantino to do a Boba Fett movie.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 10:16:53 AM

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Personally I couldn't give a frog's fat-ass what Quentin thinks about this.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 10:22:01 AM

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could this be the helmer for ep VII?-

http://www.scifinow.co.uk/news/star-wars-episode-7-director-is-colin-trevorrow-probably/

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 10:32:15 AM

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Interesting. Anyone here seen 'Safety Not Guaranteed'?

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 10:58:00 AM

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Darth Vader rumoured to return in Episode VII

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The source is the Express though so I'm still fairly certain it's bollocks. I wonder if their "industry insider" is related to one of our regular posters

. There's a link to a supershadow.com article about an apparent "leaked outline" in the comments section. I had a quick look and it's basically EU fanboy bollocks by the looks of it. I didn't want to read too much though, y'know just in case

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 11:22:26 AM

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"This is science fiction, remember... Darth Vader will rise from the ashes."

Jesus, it IS vad3r.

If this turns out to be true I don't think I could watch Episode VII. Such a cop-out. But of course the old "insider source" reference is nearly always code for "publicity-seeking speculation with no real basis in fact".

And those comments, wow, they're even rowdier than ours.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 11:50:21 AM

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"This is science fiction, remember... Darth Vader will rise from the ashes."

Vader�s arch is completely done. Anyone hoping to see him in these films is in for a 3 hearty courses of utter disappointment.

And neither time travel nor flashbacks will be used to include him.

Just makes no sense whatsoever to even consider his involvement in any further SW installments.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 12:32:44 PM

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Resurrection is a no no. But, 30-40 years after the fall of the empire, the LEGACY of Vader can have an effect on the galaxy, in terms of whether or not the galaxy completely trusts the motives of the son of the child and jedi murdering, galaxy oppressing attack dog of the long dead Emperor in reforming the very jedi order from which Vader emerged?

It is after all, episode 7 of a saga, not the unrelated start of a new one.

If continuing from what has already happened, the shadow Vader casts over the Galaxy surely seems at least a reasonable and logical context for conflict, and various trusting and otherwise views of Luke Skywalker and the jedi order (from which Vader came) and whether he should be hated for 'The Sins of the father' provides a pertinent and personalised source of character conflict for him/any descendants and danger for 'the good guys', and a 'justification' for opportunist bad guys seeking to make financial/political power capital out of sowing seeds of doubt about the goodness of the 'Sons of Skywalker'?

Icons are often used to justify whatever views people have/actions they take, regardless of anything they really did in life. And a potential for a face off between those inspired by Anakin's ultimate sacrifice and those more into the power/fear his image can be said his image represents...

We've had the resolution of the war between the two sides within vader/Anakin. Will we now see the war between those who aspire to his goodness, and those who are inspired by his evil, writ large across the galaxy as the impetus for conflict in Star Wars 7-9?

< Message edited by jobloffski -- 13/11/2012 1:53:55 PM >

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 12:49:29 PM

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You can type this shit Jobloffski, but you can't say it

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 12:57:12 PM

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Heh!

I can both type and say it

Simpler version. History is doomed to repeat itself, not because nobody listens to its lessons, but because people don't all take the same lesson from it...

I'm suggesting a slightly more 'organic' story development process than 'it's all over' oh no, here's another bad guy who wants to take over the galaxy'

The present flows from the past, particularly when people refuse to let go of it...

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 12:57:22 PM

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lololol hello Express journalists!

Also Super Shadow - is that dude still about?

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 1:00:42 PM

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Resurrection is a no no. But, 30-40 years after the fall of the empire, the LEGACY of Vader can have an effect on the galaxy, in terms of whether or not the galaxy completely trusts the motives of the son of the child and jedi murdering, galaxy oppressing attack dog of the long dead Emperor in reforming the very jedi order from which Vader emerged?

I would love to see a story where the fact that Luke is Vader's son gets revealed to a shocked new Republic, making Luke and any Jedi he's trained outcasts and pushing them more towards the dark side.
THAT would be using Vader effectively.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 1:05:50 PM

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Potential cheese, potentially a very powerful powerful moment...

Luke (completely at a loss as to why he is being attacked verbally and hated so suddenly): Why is this happening?

Ghost Anakin (one of a very few brief appearances, closes eyes, lowers head in shame, very subdued) Because I am your father...

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 1:08:36 PM

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Potential cheese, potentially a very powerful powerful moment...

Luke (completely at a loss as to why he is being attacked verbally and hated so suddenly): Why is this happening?

Ghost Anakin (one of a very few brief appearances, closes eyes, lowers head in shame, very subdued) Because I am your father...

Good lord.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 1:46:21 PM

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A very important point, not seen it raised before in the 44 pages until now.

Will Vader's true identity be widely known by the time of EP7, could the revelation or threat of revelation be a key plot point?

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 1:53:10 PM

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I gave up on the link when they all ended up at the fucking Zoo....

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 2:04:20 PM

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quote:

"This is science fiction, remember... Darth Vader will rise from the ashes."

Vader�s arch is completely done. Anyone hoping to see him in these films is in for a 3 hearty courses of utter disappointment.
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And neither time travel nor flashbacks will be used to include him.
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Just makes no sense whatsoever to even consider his involvement in any further SW installments.

I'm not sure you can say it makes no sense! Like someone else mentioned earlier in the thread, this will be part 7 in an ongoing saga, not just some unrelated sci-fi movie!

Episodes 1 through 6 have been focused mainly on Darth Vader in some capacity. The prequels dealt with him as a child, then as a teenager then as an "adult" who at the end becomes the DARK LORD OF THE SITH!!

Episodes 4,5 &6 obviously deal with Darth Vader himself, his own "struggle" and his children. For that reason I think it is quite reasonable to think that episodes 7,8 &9 could deal with the Children/Grandchildren of Darth Vader and Darth Vader himself as a ghost/hallucination/taxidermy victim or whatever - in fact I think it probably will!

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 2:09:41 PM

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I gave up on the link when they all ended up at the fucking Zoo....

Ha, same here. I nearly dropped it at Anakin Solo to be honest. Why would Leia name her son after someone who was complicit in BLOWING UP A PLANET and oppressing the whole Galaxy. It was Luke that had daddy issues in ROTJ, Leia didn't even know Vader was her father till a few hours before he died.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 2:53:40 PM

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Potential cheese, potentially a very powerful powerful moment...

Luke (completely at a loss as to why he is being attacked verbally and hated so suddenly): Why is this happening?

Ghost Anakin (one of a very few brief appearances, closes eyes, lowers head in shame, very subdued) Because I am your father...

Good lord.

Good lord Vader?

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 3:03:40 PM

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Resurrection is a no no. But, 30-40 years after the fall of the empire, the LEGACY of Vader can have an effect on the galaxy, in terms of whether or not the galaxy completely trusts the motives of the son of the child and jedi murdering, galaxy oppressing attack dog of the long dead Emperor in reforming the very jedi order from which Vader emerged?

I would love to see a story where the fact that Luke is Vader's son gets revealed to a shocked new Republic, making Luke and any Jedi he's trained outcasts and pushing them more towards the dark side.
THAT would be using Vader effectively.

Yeah, that would be a good angle. Resurrecting Vader would be stupid, but the Emperor returning would not be so crazy. It was done in 'Dark Empire' with a clone body, but he could also return as some kind of force-ghost-thing. Its consistant with ROTJ, as he tries to goad Luke into killing him- 'Strike me down with all your hatred', or words to that effect. You'd think he wouldn't do that unless he had some way of cheating death.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 4:41:53 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bad Ash

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ORIGINAL: pete_traynor

quote:

"This is science fiction, remember... Darth Vader will rise from the ashes."

Vader�s arch is completely done. Anyone hoping to see him in these films is in for a 3 hearty courses of utter disappointment.
�
And neither time travel nor flashbacks will be used to include him.
�
Just makes no sense whatsoever to even consider his involvement in any further SW installments.

I'm not sure you can say it makes no sense! Like someone else mentioned earlier in the thread, this will be part 7 in an ongoing saga, not just some unrelated sci-fi movie!

To be fair it was being suggested by unhinged participants earlier in the thread that Vader would/should make a full physical resurrection, and that Disney were definitely going to do this. Because they had to do it to sell the movie. Because apparently they couldn't sell Star Wars any other way. Despite the fact, of course, that all this publicity and hearsay alone is priceless in terms of marketing.

But it's refreshing to see some genuinely interesting and sensible suggestions surfacing on this page for once.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 5:44:07 PM

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Ha, same here. I nearly dropped it at Anakin Solo to be honest. Why would Leia name her son after someone who was complicit in BLOWING UP A PLANET and oppressing the whole Galaxy. It was Luke that had daddy issues in ROTJ, Leia didn't even know Vader was her father till a few hours before he died.

Trying to reclaim the name, I guess? I was looking up some of that Expanded Universe stuff the other day, and in that continuity Anakin Solo is a pure heroic Jedi, and quite reminiscent of his originally good grandfather. I don't know, it didn't really bother me anyway.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 6:03:52 PM

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"This is science fiction, remember... Darth Vader will rise from the ashes."

Jesus, it IS vad3r.

If this turns out to be true I don't think I could watch Episode VII. Such a cop-out. But of course the old "insider source" reference is nearly always code for "publicity-seeking speculation with no real basis in fact".

And those comments, wow, they're even rowdier than ours.

If that turns to be true, I'm checking out of this life.

I don't want to live in a world where Vad3r is right about something.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 11:37:09 PM

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There is no way Vader will physically be back, Luke fucking toasted him, right after he died saying Luke was right. So there is no threat any more. I like the idea that Vader might be a threat only in the form of remnant followers, like a cult, or perhaps a secret apprentice Vader was training who takes on Vader appearance and is out for revenge

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 11:42:18 PM

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Vader won't be back - the Daily Express don't have a clue (if they really had a mole, how come NO ONE knew about this deal two weeks ago?)

It is more likely they found a thread like this, and weaved a story out of it.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 11:45:27 PM

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Ha, same here. I nearly dropped it at Anakin Solo to be honest. Why would Leia name her son after someone who was complicit in BLOWING UP A PLANET and oppressing the whole Galaxy. It was Luke that had daddy issues in ROTJ, Leia didn't even know Vader was her father till a few hours before he died.

Trying to reclaim the name, I guess?

I'm always remarking how many children these days are named Adolf and Judas.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 13/11/2012 11:58:04 PM

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Ha, same here. I nearly dropped it at Anakin Solo to be honest. Why would Leia name her son after someone who was complicit in BLOWING UP A PLANET and oppressing the whole Galaxy. It was Luke that had daddy issues in ROTJ, Leia didn't even know Vader was her father till a few hours before he died.

Trying to reclaim the name, I guess?

I'm always remarking how many children these days are named Adolf and Judas.

Judah or Yehudah aren't totally uncommon and they're basically the same name as Judas.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 14/11/2012 12:13:31 AM

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lololol hello Express journalists!

Also Super Shadow - is that dude still about?

I like to think he passes on the title to a successor in the style of the Phantom.

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RE: Star Wars: Episode 7 - 14/11/2012 1:54:23 AM

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Can't say I told you guys so.

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