Dannybohy
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"you've got yourself a new apprentice, now lets go kill some Jedi kids!"
Anakin has already committed infanticide long before he becomes a Sith ( the Tusken slaughter). It's established throughout the movies that Sith (e.g. the Darth Tyranous stuff) that Anakin knows full well that the Sith do evil things. Committing evil is the price he has to pay for saving Padme, which is all he cares about. People who sell their soul to the devil don't tend to pay in installments 
That may be so, however in movie /timeline terms Fancysmith hit it right, he flipped quicker than a labour MPs Property portfolio!.
Disagree. Isn't it ultimately an either/or decision? There's emotions etc that lead to the dark side, but deciding to be a Sith is a conscious decision. All of Episode 2 establishes that Anakin isn't able to let go/avoid attraction and affective bonds in a way that Jedi must. If the Emperor was trying to get Anakin to start off with some minor evil (like an intern starting with the photocopying and making teas ) then there wouldn't be much conflict. Anakin knows that, in order to save Padme, he has to embrace evil. And, given how powerful the Emperor knows Anakin can be, he does require the whole declaration of obedience Master/Apprentice Sith relationship to control him. There's no room really for conscious escalating of incremental evils - although, by the point that Anakin becomes a Sith, we have seen him loose the rag a lot, decapitate unarmed prisoners, slaughter tuskens etc.
It just always bugs me when people say Anakin went from being a good guy to killing kiddies in one scene. Tusken raider kids are still kids! And, given that it wasn't Tusken raider kids who kidnapped Anakin's mum (you can't help what your parents do!) they were as ''innocent'' as the Jedi ones. It doesn't make much moral sense to make overmuch of a distinction between the Jedi kids and the also-innocent Tusken ones. Infanticide's still infanticide.
No, not in one scene, but if we forget the Tusken scene, as they are all scavenging scum anyway and Killing Dooku , which any sane Jedi would of done. The most potential shocking part is the slaughter of a bunch of jedi (good) children at the temple. And in movie terms, the build up to this still a few years in starwars time and mere hours in viewer time. So you have to admit the change on screen is very rushed. If you look at Breaking Bad , which ive mentioned in another thread in regards to new writers for Starwars, Vince Gilligans main character is fantastically crafted over 4 seasons and many hours of viewing time from a good guy to pretty evil badass! and those moments are priceless, thats what we should of seen happen and handled with more skill in the prequels. Anyone who has seen Breaking bad will know more clearly what im getting at, the evolution, the moment Walter guns the drug dealer hes just mowed over and then final episode/ end scene when he takes out the top bad guy!. you dont get that in the SW prequels, that HOLY SHIT..!! moment, I felt cheated personally. It was all topped off with the awful (just fucking awful) scene when the spanky new Vader does his Planet of the Apes scene!! on being told Padame is dead.
The tuskens are still sentient creatures. You (or I!) might just regard them as scavenging scum, but it's obvious that the Jedi wouldn't exactly be down with slaughtering them, so Anakin *has* already morally transgressed way before the time period of Revenge of the Sith. And people go on about how it's understandable, not that bad etc because the Tuskens killed Anakin's mum - but Anakin still having attachments to his Mum (and his secret relationship with Padme) is in itself indicative of how screwed up a Jedi he is!
The Emperor had to goad Anakin into killing Dooku, who is a fallen Jedi. I don't think most Jedi would have killed him in the circumstances.
Never seen Breaking Bad, but I love some Wire-style realism. But Star Wars - even the supposedly Perfect Original Trilogy - is another kind of storytelling; mainly visual, perfunctory dialogue etc. I think the fall isn't rushed in 'Star Wars time'. It's established in Clones that Anakin wants the power to save the ones he love. And we get all of the 'seduction' scenes in Sith (like the great opera one) before Anakin falls. I think that's a more compelling story than Anakin just getting gradually evil until he ends up a Sith. Surely when Mace dies Anakin is out of choices? Anakin sells his soul to the devil to save Padme. The 'devil' knows this. I don't see why it would be more 'realistic' at that point for Anakin to do some lesser-grade evil - he's the Emperor's bitch, and they both know it.
Tangent, but: that Natalie Portman Miss Dior perfume ad came on when I was typing this....who wouldn't go to the Dark Side for her  ?!
Ok, good argument! maybe I am being unfair on the scenes and the limitations of movie time to get across a more subtle change, a TV series can afford it. I still maintain that the whole change could have been told much better in the same time span with better actors, writing etc and we do not the get the pay off moments we should of had. I will also factor in that Haydens acting in both movies was shocking and perhaps detrimental to the scenes you mention.
I like it that you haven't seen breaking bad, you will hopefully watch all four seasons one day and then go "oohh shit yeh, I see what that douchebag who hates Chris Nolan and Bryan Singer on Empire forums was talking about now!"
And yes, There isnt a dark place I wouldn't go for Portman
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