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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 22/2/2013 11:19:57 PM

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I like the Bond films. They're adventures. Some hark back to other Bond films. Most don't. I can cope with this 'paradox' because I am fairly intelligent person who can hold two contradicting ideas in my head at any one time and accept them both.

I'm sure most people can suspend disbelief sufficiently.

Well, sane people.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 22/2/2013 11:23:57 PM

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I actually find it stunning that there are people out there who were confused about Casino Royale being a reboot and that those people need it spelled out to them.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 23/2/2013 1:06:15 AM

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Hahahaha of course it is a reboot!

Are we all still pretending that Star Trek isn't a reboot as well?

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 23/2/2013 8:12:21 AM

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BUT M IS STILL THE SAME M AS BROSNAN HAD!

Etc.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 23/2/2013 8:19:18 AM

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BUT M IS STILL THE SAME M AS BROSNAN HAD!

Etc.

It's pretty obvious now, that she isn't. Its just that Judi Dench plays two different characters who happen to hold the same post in each canon.

Apparently the DB5 in Skyfall was originally intended to be more specifically the one Bond won in Casino Royale but Mendes wanted to have the gadgets from Goldfinger as a homage to the original. I suppose we're just meant to assume that Bond has had the thing pimped out in the years between the films, rather than Goldfinger becoming a part of Craig's continuity.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 23/2/2013 8:32:18 AM

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quote:

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quote:

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BUT M IS STILL THE SAME M AS BROSNAN HAD!

Etc.

It's pretty obvious now, that she isn't. Its just that Judi Dench plays two different characters who happen to hold the same post in each canon.

Apparently the DB5 in Skyfall was originally intended to be more specifically the one Bond won in Casino Royale but Mendes wanted to have the gadgets from Goldfinger as a homage to the original. I suppose we're just meant to assume that Bond has had the thing pimped out in the years between the films, rather than Goldfinger becoming a part of Craig's continuity.

Frysquint.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 23/2/2013 4:44:34 PM

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quote:

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I like the Bond films. They're adventures. Some hark back to other Bond films. Most don't. I can cope with this 'paradox' because I am fairly intelligent person who can hold two contradicting ideas in my head at any one time and accept them both.

I'm sure most people can suspend disbelief sufficiently.

Well, sane people.

Yeah I go along with that.

I think the difference is what a person's definition of reboot is.

CR is wiping the slate clean as we get to see Bond becoming 007.

However I think that unlike Batman or Star Trek we will not see reworkings of plots or villains (eg we will not have a new Dr No or Goldfinger).

Yes we have a new M, Q & Moneypenny, but we had had different interpretations of them before anyway, and if we are giving back to the start then we need to meet these characters.

But I don't think they will do anything to mess with the established continuity of the classic movies, which is easy for Bond as everything can change except him & MI6.

Quantum can stand in for SPECTRE and we have can a new host of villains, unlike Star Trek who may introduce Khan again at some point and obviously have to have the likes of Klingons etc. Star Trek's reboot works due to their ingenious use of time travel creating an alternative timeline.

Batman is a proper reboot as we have had different origin stories and the whole was it Joe Chill or Jack Napier who killed Bruce's parents.

I have no issue with the likes of Batman's reboot & I like the idea of us seeing Bond's origins but I really don want to see any of the old villains or movies being remade. The idea that we have the same Bond over the years is what people want.

So I think that is what caused the confusion. Purvis & Wade said it was a reboot, however Michael G. Wilson & Barbara Broccoli favour the idea that we are just seeing Bond from the beginning but that all the classic adventures are still the same version of Bond. I like to agree with them.

So I think Casino Royale and the rest of Craig's movies so far are actually prequels!

BTW I'd still love to see Bond in WW2 action with the Royal Navy in a separate series of movies. Young Bond, if you will, which could end up with getting his two targets for assassination on the way to becoming a 00.

I do find all this interesting!

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 27/2/2013 12:09:23 PM

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Skyfall is really surprising in that it isnt the film you would expect it to be, especially following on from Craigs two previous outings. Its more a personal affair this time around and completely devoid of any mention of Quantum. Watching the film and reading reviews SF seems to be a few years down the line which is fair enough, and does well as a standalone film. I didnt mind the references, which there seem to be plenty of, both to the older and relatively recent films (Bardem reflects Beans defected 006 agent slighty) and the cinematography was blady awesome throughout.

In terms of where the next film goes, I expect to see a return to face Quantum. While this could mean a SF prequel and a return of Judi Dench, I dont think its likely, and would make the introduction of Q, Moneypenny, and the new M redundant.... which means Quantum will possibly resurface after going into hiding after Solace (?)

Anyway, I think Craig MIGHT have another left in him after 24, then hopefully Fassbender can have a go!

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 2/3/2013 6:26:21 PM

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I think Craig will do at least another 2. The success of Skyfall surely will mean he will get 2 more.

Even though I think Skyfall's success isn't just down to him, though he is a fine Bond, if not my favourite. The 4 year hiatus, the 50th anniversary, and indeed the whole London 2012 Olympics meant that being British was cool again. The Zeitgeist was certainly tapped into.

Also delighted that Adele won the Oscar for Best Song. I would like to see her get another go also.

Maybe Sam Mendes will come back as well? Why not? Classic Bonds had the same directors. There is no-one happier than me that Skyfall has ensured Bond will be around for a while to come.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 4/3/2013 10:23:16 AM

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mendes's commentary on SF mentions the team wanting to delve into the later fleming novels with an older bond weighed down by his problems both mental and physical.

craig's age means he cannot play the novice agent anymore.

please have a minimum 2hr min running time for bond 24 and no 12a cert f bombs as well.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 9/3/2013 10:35:40 PM

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Maybe Sam Mendes will come back as well? Why not? Classic Bonds had the same directors. There is no-one happier than me that Skyfall has ensured Bond will be around for a while to come.

Ok guys, Mendes is not coming back for Bond 24? So who's next? Nolan... hmmm do you like this idea?

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 10/3/2013 4:09:43 PM

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mi6.hq.com on bond 24-

http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/opinion_mark_oconnell_bond_future_2013.php3?t=&s=&id=03464

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 11/3/2013 11:42:34 AM

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"So what about Joe Wright ("Atonement", "Anna Karenina"), Gareth Evans ("The Raid"), Kenneth Branagh ("Thor", "Jack Ryan"), Ben Affleck ("Argo", "The Town"), Kevin MacDonald ("Senna", "The Last King of Scotland") or Nicolas Winding Refn ("Bronson", "Drive")? Danny Boyle ("127 Hours", "Trance")"

Great article. Interesting part about Craig's creative participation so to say.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 11/3/2013 1:34:50 PM

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I think Guy Ritchie would be an excellent choice to direct the next Bond.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 11/3/2013 2:00:26 PM

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Michael Haneke or Brett Ratner, please.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 11/3/2013 2:21:16 PM

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Michael Haneke or Brett Ratner, please.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 11/3/2013 2:27:09 PM

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You're not allowed to post pictures in future films or reviews threads, in case somebody posts a picture of a spoiler.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 11/3/2013 3:25:53 PM

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You're not allowed to post pictures in future films or reviews threads, in case somebody posts a picture of a spoiler.

Ah ... that makes sense. Never knew that

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 11/3/2013 6:44:35 PM

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Who would be the most out there choice in terms of director, that you believe could realistically get the gig? I don't believe Tarantino would ever realistically get the gig for the record.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 11/3/2013 6:58:11 PM

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After seeing what Mendes did with it, I think they can realistically aim a little higher than normal.

Branagh is a good shout, but if he's done Jack Ryan, I'd think he'd back away from another spy outing so soon.

Duncan Jones isn't a bad pick at all. Affleck would be great, but I think that is a case of aiming unrealistically.

I have a slight feeling Matthew Vaughan will get the gig. A choice I'll go "hmm...." about.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 11/3/2013 7:05:32 PM

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See when mendes was picked i feared the worst and that the action wouldn't deliver. But the second unit teams are so good on the Bond movies, collaborating with mendes they all delivered fantastic action scenes. My personal preference is to lean towards an action director, but this is the opposite direction that the producers seem to want to go

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 11/3/2013 7:53:40 PM

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I think Joe Wright is a good choice.

Sure not all of his films are winners, but the man has a good visual and storytelling sense and he understands how to mesh character stuff
and second unit action stuff. In terms of directorial style he's not a million miles away from Mendes, actually.

Kim Jee Woon or Park Chan Wook could be interesting. Park got more critical kudos with Stoker than Kim did with Last Stand, so Park probably has more of a shot.

Christopher Nolan has been mentioned, and while he is a fine director I still think he has trouble with eliciting an emotional engagement and the Bond girl wouldn't be very interesting. Also: he's starting to become the Nathan Fillion of directors.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 11/3/2013 8:01:44 PM

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I think David Yates could make good Bond director. He's proven he can handle big budget as well as character and action with Potter and I really enjoyed State Of Play.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 12/3/2013 9:17:11 AM

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Guys, do you think that Bond fans, like general, have any infulence on contemporary 007 movies? I mean, what they like or don't like is somehow taken under the consideration? Like for example director... or Bond Girl...

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 12/3/2013 9:36:15 AM

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I can only pray not.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 12/3/2013 10:14:18 AM

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I can only pray not.

Why?

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 12/3/2013 11:54:18 AM

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Why?

Because if some fans had their way, Bond will still be a shallow male fantasy figure and a callous, misogynist cunt.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 12/3/2013 12:42:14 PM

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See when mendes was picked i feared the worst and that the action wouldn't deliver. But the second unit teams are so good on the Bond movies, collaborating with mendes they all delivered fantastic action scenes. My personal preference is to lean towards an action director, but this is the opposite direction that the producers seem to want to go

You have great second unit directors like Vic Armstrong for the action, the director should be there to focus on the characters and story.

I'd love to see Branagh get the gig. However I'd love to see what a British female director would do with the character - unfortunately there don't appear to be that many around.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 12/3/2013 2:21:16 PM

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I have little interest in the Bond character and I generally didn't think that highly of Skyfull,a good film just not a great one imo.

But I always will give the benefit of the doubt to whatever I'm heading in for and I do find genuine interest in who might direct the new bond or whatever franchise (it doesn't take much to turn my head if the movie turns out to be what I like

).

So my option for the next Bond director would be....Ridley Scott.

Not going to happen though due to his other commitments But I'd like to see him have a crack at the whip oneday.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 13/3/2013 3:42:04 AM

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I agree Joe Wright could be a good choice.

I'm amazed at people whinging about the direction the series has taken. QoS was a bit 'meh' but Casino Royale and Skyfall were excellent, much better than the Brosnan films (which left me totally cold). I also LOVE Daniel Craig as Bond. I was astonished when he was announced but I think he's great. Bond needs to be a hard bastard and I can actually imagine Craig's Bond killing people, something I couldn't with Moore's or Brosnan's. That posh voice, that physique, that face - like a bag of rocks but still attractive. He is a very sexy Bond, and Bond should be sexy. His composed cuffs adjustment upon landing in the train at the start of Skyfall was great.

I look forward to how Bond's relationship with Mallory will pan out. I was really happy to see Fiennes as the new M. I was even happier to see Ben Wishaw as Q - he's a fantastic actor.

I'd love to see Bond lose it and go rogue for a while, but as others have said, might be a bit early into his relationship with a new M. The brainwashed idea is really interesting too. I hope they don't overuse Moneypenny; it was a cute twist but she's behind her desk now so leave her there. More Q, less Moneypenny.

I'd like to see a Bond girl who isn't remotely involved in crime or espionage, maybe a primary school teacher or female vicar or something.

Not just a shag, but a love interest. Played by someone as classy as Eva Green. But not much of a looker! Someone he falls for for their kindness and personality (for once).

God I'm such a girl.

One thing: I hope they stop overusing 'bloody' as much as they did in Skyfall. I realise in America it's not remotely profane so it's more acceptable, but the amount of times it was said was pushing the realms of plausibility! Throw in a couple of 'sodding's at least!

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