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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 1/11/2012 9:42:28 PM   
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Sadly, I doubt Mr. White will ever return now. The actor has gone on record saying he hated the experience and will never do a Bond film again. Aldo, a knighthood for Bond would be silly. It immediately made me think of the end of Johnny English...


Turns out he was misquoted and his death scene was filmed for QoS

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 1/11/2012 9:44:20 PM   
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I seriously doubt that they will bring back Quantum. QoS was an embarrassment to all involved, most of all Craig, who has gone on record as saying that he did not like it. Revisting it, and to some extent Casino Royale, would not be progressive and the series would just take a step back. Skyfall kick started life into the franchise once again and Logan needs to follow suit with these next two; by making it a personal story for Bond. Also, those last few Fleming titles that haven't been used yet (Risico, Property Of A Lady, The Hildebrand Rarity) would all make terrible names for films!


The thing about QoS for me is that it had massive potential. 007 hasn't been to South America that often and the idea of a banana republic a la Danger Man getting the Bond treatment is interesting, added to the mix of the shadowy Quantum.

It was the execution that I believe killed it. The director wasn't the right choice.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 1/11/2012 9:45:31 PM   
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I disagree with everything in your post. Quantum of Solace is still my favourte out of all three of Craig's Bonds. It's his From Russia With Love and I never understand the hate for it. Also, the organisation, Quantum has to be re-addresed at some point, otherwise the previous two films have set up this big bad for nothing. It doesn't matter if it wasn't in Skyfall, it wasn't mentioned in Goldfinger either but came back in Thunderball. Also, whilst The Hildebrand Rarity is a terrible name for a film (So is James Bond in New York by the way), Risico and Property of a Lady would actually be pretty cool.


Sorry for being pedantic but it is 007 in New York, which I agree is a hard sell.

Perhaps some of the better chapter titles in Fleming's books can be used in future?


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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 1/11/2012 9:48:10 PM   
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Sadly, I doubt Mr. White will ever return now. The actor has gone on record saying he hated the experience and will never do a Bond film again. Aldo, a knighthood for Bond would be silly. It immediately made me think of the end of Johnny English...


Turns out he was misquoted and his death scene was filmed for QoS


What's your source on this misquoting? I know there was a scene where Mr.White is being debriefed on the events of QoS and Bond is then revelealed to be laying in wait, ready to pounce that was meant for the end of the film. A graphics rendered version of it is one of the cut scenes on the game actually as well. but it was cut because the director felt it would tie the next director/writer's hands as to what would follow.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 1/11/2012 9:58:39 PM   
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It has been on several other forum boards, I am sure I saw an article which he did say he was misquoted as well. I will try find it.

Apparently there was a scene filmed with Guy Haines & Mr White versus Bond which was shot for QoS.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 1/11/2012 10:01:26 PM   
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There you go he revised it apparently at the Berlin Film Festival:

http://www.bond23.net/tags/jesper-christensen/

I have great respect for the people who make Bond films. They have managed to create their very own meta-universe, almost a genre in itself and a series of 23 films now. It is unique.

It would be crazy for him to do such a thing as slag them off as it will be a nice pay day for him!

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 2/11/2012 1:03:03 AM   
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It has been on several other forum boards, I am sure I saw an article which he did say he was misquoted as well. I will try find it.

Apparently there was a scene filmed with Guy Haines & Mr White versus Bond which was shot for QoS.


Supposedly this was the scene with the "Bond, James Bond" line

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 20/11/2012 10:19:23 AM   
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mendes has already had a hand in bond 24-

http://commanderbond.net/16347/mendes-co-created-the-idea-for-bond-24-says-skyfall-scribe-robert-wade.html

anyone have a wishlist for bond 24?

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 21/11/2012 8:23:19 PM   
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Maybe he will come back for Bond 24.

I'd like to see Bond go to Oz and Gala Brand (with the twist from Moonraker) used in the next movie.

Risico is one of the few Fleming titles left, so perhaps we will get that.

I also want Quantum in it, along with Mr White getting his comeuppance.

Plus I want more of Bond in a dinner jacket, more of the James Bond Theme, and yes, I want the fecking gun barrel at the start!!!!

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 22/11/2012 3:50:09 PM   
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The producers should bust their balls to get Mendes back in the directors chair. I'd certainly welcome more Quantum and I'd certainly welcome a more classic Bond score, not necessarily the theme (I thought it was used just right in Skyfall) but the brass and strings need to return, I liked Newman's score for Skyfall, but it didn't feel very Bond.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 22/11/2012 5:21:28 PM   
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I don't know if I want Mendes back. Skyfall was great but it was too long and the referencing to previous Bonds got annoying after a while (I know that was only because of the fiftieth). For me Skyfall was lacking in tension and excitement; the opening chase didn't do anything for me, I don't know if it was the editing but I really didn't get much buzz from it. I don't know if I can blame that on Mendes but there it is. I'd love him to come back and prove me wrong, after all it's not like there's much character development left to do with Bond and now Dench is gone we have a proper mission but I do worry about his ability to handle action.

I want Quantum to come back.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 23/11/2012 10:24:32 AM   
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i like SF but walked out of the cinema on a downer.

i don't want that from a bond movie. but the success of SF means we will be seeing more of this downbeat bond for sometime.

would it kill the producers to have him get the girl in a clinch at the end?

not a contrived scene but a well earned shag after surviving a great ordeal as in the fleming novels.

no cheesy one liner though.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 24/11/2012 1:41:58 PM   
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craig's bond films have channelled bourne, nolan batman, 'spooks', even 'home alone'.

how about bond 24 channelling fleming and the previous bond movies?

i did like the flemingesque feel to the shanghai, macau casino and silva's island scenes in SF.

more of that please.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 26/11/2012 10:19:58 AM   
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bond brainwashed by mr white and trying to kill mallory ala the novel of MWTGG.
bond in a g m garden of death

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 26/11/2012 2:47:18 PM   
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bond brainwashed by mr white and trying to kill mallory ala the novel of MWTGG.
bond in a g m garden of death


I think we need to back to a more traditional structure for the next Bond; where Bond is sent on an actual mission by MI6. We haven't had that since CR really and I think we need to do that as really we haven't seen Craig's Bond do a proper mission yet although we can assume he's done a few between QoS and SF. I like the character development that we've got in the recent films but I think he's reached a stage where we can just watch him stop evil plots (nothing too ridiculous mind) without an emotional payoff at the end.

A brainwashed Bond going after M would also be breaking into the Bond/M relationship a little too soon after SF, this is a new M and I think I'd like to him have a purely professional relationship with Bond which was hinted at at the end of SF, Mallory clearly still disapproves of Bond's type of spy and that has potential.

Finally I think Bond being brainwashed and forgetting who he is (I haven't read the story so I'm not sure how it goes) would only draw further Bourne comparisons.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 28/11/2012 1:24:01 PM   
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bond brainwashed by mr white and trying to kill mallory ala the novel of MWTGG.
bond in a g m garden of death


I think we need to back to a more traditional structure for the next Bond; where Bond is sent on an actual mission by MI6. We haven't had that since CR really and I think we need to do that as really we haven't seen Craig's Bond do a proper mission yet although we can assume he's done a few between QoS and SF. I like the character development that we've got in the recent films but I think he's reached a stage where we can just watch him stop evil plots (nothing too ridiculous mind) without an emotional payoff at the end.

A brainwashed Bond going after M would also be breaking into the Bond/M relationship a little too soon after SF, this is a new M and I think I'd like to him have a purely professional relationship with Bond which was hinted at at the end of SF, Mallory clearly still disapproves of Bond's type of spy and that has potential.

Finally I think Bond being brainwashed and forgetting who he is (I haven't read the story so I'm not sure how it goes) would only draw further Bourne comparisons.



well, fleming did it first!

time to put craig on skis.

also have the girl be an innocent like kara, honey and natalya.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 28/11/2012 1:44:17 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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bond brainwashed by mr white and trying to kill mallory ala the novel of MWTGG.
bond in a g m garden of death


I think we need to back to a more traditional structure for the next Bond; where Bond is sent on an actual mission by MI6. We haven't had that since CR really and I think we need to do that as really we haven't seen Craig's Bond do a proper mission yet although we can assume he's done a few between QoS and SF. I like the character development that we've got in the recent films but I think he's reached a stage where we can just watch him stop evil plots (nothing too ridiculous mind) without an emotional payoff at the end.

A brainwashed Bond going after M would also be breaking into the Bond/M relationship a little too soon after SF, this is a new M and I think I'd like to him have a purely professional relationship with Bond which was hinted at at the end of SF, Mallory clearly still disapproves of Bond's type of spy and that has potential.

Finally I think Bond being brainwashed and forgetting who he is (I haven't read the story so I'm not sure how it goes) would only draw further Bourne comparisons.



well, fleming did it first!

time to put craig on skis.

also have the girl be an innocent like kara, honey and natalya.


I know he did it first but others mightn't, and I could see some arguing that the filmmakers only went with that story because it proved so popular with Bourne. I wouldn't mind seeing them do that story at some point but I think now is too soon, and I would like to see them revert to the classic Bond format.

Wouldn't mind seeing Craig on skis, as long as we don't see him surfing.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 28/11/2012 4:49:58 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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bond brainwashed by mr white and trying to kill mallory ala the novel of MWTGG.
bond in a g m garden of death


I think we need to back to a more traditional structure for the next Bond; where Bond is sent on an actual mission by MI6. We haven't had that since CR really and I think we need to do that as really we haven't seen Craig's Bond do a proper mission yet although we can assume he's done a few between QoS and SF. I like the character development that we've got in the recent films but I think he's reached a stage where we can just watch him stop evil plots (nothing too ridiculous mind) without an emotional payoff at the end.

A brainwashed Bond going after M would also be breaking into the Bond/M relationship a little too soon after SF, this is a new M and I think I'd like to him have a purely professional relationship with Bond which was hinted at at the end of SF, Mallory clearly still disapproves of Bond's type of spy and that has potential.

Finally I think Bond being brainwashed and forgetting who he is (I haven't read the story so I'm not sure how it goes) would only draw further Bourne comparisons.


In both CR and QOS Bond was sent on missions to track down/confront/beat by whatever means available specific people, Le Chiffre and Mr Green. All the tropes of Bond films were included, regardless of any 'emotional arc' the films included for Bond (and arguably, it was one arc for CR QOS (Meet, lose, grieve over, then get over, Vesper) and one for the Bond/M relationship covering all three craig films so far.

The baggage has been unpacked, looked at and laundered, then put away, with two missions involving Bond being sent after a particular quarry and one with a 'rogue element with an agenda not based on world domination but on personal vendetta' all of which fit comfortably within the variety of missions Bond has previously faced on film. And the exact kind of 'situation properly established, just set the attack dog on some megalomaniac' plot of Bond movie lore is now possible anyway, given where Skyfall ended.

At least (for the benefit of Bond Film rather than Bond By Fleming) fans nobody has tried to be so faithful to fleming that, eg, in the case of The From Russia with Love, the film would be half over before Bond even appears in person!


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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 1/12/2012 12:02:41 AM   
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bond brainwashed by mr white and trying to kill mallory ala the novel of MWTGG.
bond in a g m garden of death


I like the sounds of that. Gets my vote.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 5/12/2012 2:30:23 PM   
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the recent craig bonds have got away with using original plots/characters.

but i fear that they will lose track as they did in the brosnan years without using any more fleming novel elements still around.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 5/12/2012 3:34:40 PM   
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I think the Craig era Bonds appeal to snobby film critics who usually consider themselves above these kinds of movies.

Can we please have some proper fun filled Bond films again at some stage? Preferably with James bond in them and not some over emotional Bourne wannabe thug.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 5/12/2012 3:48:57 PM   
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You mean the Craig film which just became the biggest movie ever in the UK, and is looking set to hit a billion dollars, and in adjusted term is only behind Goldfinger and Thunderball as the biggest Bond film ever?

You mean that film Cool? Only popular with critics?

Methinks someone thinks because they don't like, everyone else must not like it either.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 5/12/2012 3:49:12 PM   
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I think the Craig era Bonds appeal to snobby film critics who usually consider themselves above these kinds of movies.




I think that your post is by far the most idiotic thing I've ever read from you. Can you please posting such nonsense?

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 5/12/2012 3:49:23 PM   
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You are usually better when you troll Coolio

Please try harder.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 5/12/2012 3:54:13 PM   
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I'm just glad we finally have a properly very good Bond film to be the most succesful Bond ever, not a Connery one where somebody thought underwater battle scenes are exciting and should take a third of the film or the dumbest one*.


*Moonraker btw, not Goldfinger, Goldfinger is the awesome.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 5/12/2012 4:02:37 PM   
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I just hope the Bond films carry on in this fashion. The tears of bitter fanboys make me happy.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 5/12/2012 4:03:51 PM   
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That they're actually being good to the extent that even a massive film snob who usually consider themselves above these kinds of movies LIKE YOU likes them is a plus right?

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 5/12/2012 4:18:18 PM   
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I'm just glad we finally have a properly very good Bond film to be the most succesful Bond ever, not a Connery one where somebody thought underwater battle scenes are exciting and should take a third of the film or the dumbest one*.


*Moonraker btw, not Goldfinger, Goldfinger is the awesome.


HEY! I LOVE Thunderball.

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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 5/12/2012 4:24:14 PM   
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I don't hate it, it has a maginificient soundtrack, Largo is kinda fun, it gave us such innovations like a shark pool and some bits are legit awesome.

Problem is SOMEBODY HAD TO RUIN THAT WITH ALL THE SHIT BITS, which is about a half of it.

But really, I kinda like it.


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RE: Bond 24 - 2014 - 5/12/2012 4:28:06 PM   
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I just hope the Bond films carry on in this fashion. The tears of bitter fanboys make me happy.


This ^

The only way they could make it more fun for me to enjoy is if they got rid of the gun barrel sequence altogether.

That would be mint.

Oh and Thunderball is fab, although I will concede that the underwater fight goes on a bit too long. Sean Connery's best performance in the role makes up for it though.

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