TomTron
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Skyfall also did follow things set up in QoS like M being a maternal figure for Bond and made them the centerpoint. I don't think Bond 24 will forget the existence of Quantum just because of a "poor" film. Avoiding Quantum would be like the Connery Bonds suddenly forgetting of SPECTRE and Blofeld after From Russia with Love, quite stupid.
Yeah, completley agree. Apart from the bit about QoS being a poor film.
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Just because it's a two-film story arc doesn't necessarily mean that both films will have consistent antagonists. Also, do you not wonder why they abandoned using Quantum in Skyfall? It seemed to distance itself from being any sort of sequel to those two films, for the best, since they used the modified DB5, Silva speaks of being an agent at around the same time as Bond in the 90s (Casino Royale is set in 2006) and there's much talk of Bond being a veteran agent rather than him having gained his 007 status relatively recently. I'm all for the idea of Craig's Bond going up against potentially world-dominating organisation, its just that the idea of it being Quantum seems just dull and lazy.
What? What? Who said that it would be the same antagonist in both films? Who said that Quantum has been abadoned? As I pointed out earlier, SPECTRE skipped over Goldfinger and re-appeared in Thunderball so why couldn't Quantum do the same here? I was wondering when some fool would try to make out that the DB5 proved that Skyfall happened in the same continuity as the old films. It was just a little nod to whats come before because of the 50th anniversary and Sam Mendes has already said it was his one demand when taking on the film. Silva wasn't an agent at the same time as Bond, he even says that he used to be M's favourite, back when she was stationed in Hong Kong. We know that M was already head of MI6 when Bond got 00 status because it was her who promoted him in Casino Royale. There is definitley a gap between QoS and Skyfall, granted, and Bond here is more of a battle-worn agent than the young hothead of the previous two (another reason why I think it has a lot in common with DKR) but that's the logical progression of how the new series is progressing rather than a sudden jump back to the old continuity.
Nobody said they would be the same antagonists, but people bringing up Quantum again would suggest that they would want to see Bond attempt to bring them down over the course of two films. Yeah, SPECTRE was skipped one film over, but SPECTRE had Blofeld, Bond's primary adversary; a character of mystery that had yet to be completely unveiled in the films, so there was a good enough reason to revisit the organisation. Also the members of SPECTRE were a group of unique and memorable villains, Quantum had none of that. They were just a bunch of middle aged men in suits who go to the opera and plot to steal water!
I didn't take the DB5 inclusion as an admission that Skyfall was in the same continuity as Goldfinger at all but, other than it's obvious inclusion for the 50th Anniversary, just that he's been around for quite a while, almost as long as the car; both for us and as a character. No problem with you liking QoS - afterall everyone has their favourite of the series - but surely you understand why people dislike it?
< Message edited by TomTron -- 29/10/2012 8:54:18 PM >
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