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Hall of Fame 16: Round 01


Control (Corbijn) MonsterCat
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For All Mankind (Reinert) Gimli
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Galaxy Quest (Parisot) Rebel Scum
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Gregory's Girl (Genius) MovieAddict247
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The Hustler (Rossen) TRM
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The King of Comedy (ScorSese) JiraffeJustin
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Machuca (Wood) Deviation
  5% (1)
Odd Man Out (Reed) Impqueen
  10% (2)
Picnic at Hanging Rock (Other Genius) MattyB
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The Royal Tenenbaums (Anderson) Paulie_86
  10% (2)
Shadow of a Doubt (der Best) Elab49
  15% (3)
War of the Buttons (Roberts) Rebenectomy
  10% (2)
Saturday Night Sunday Morning (Reisz) Rawlinson
  5% (1)


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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 24/10/2012 11:10:10 AM   
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Rewatched The King Of Comedy the other night. As brilliant as I remembered.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 24/10/2012 11:11:22 AM   
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but the best performance in the film is definitely George C. Scott's Bert Gordon. Can't believe elab talks about performance of the round and he doesn't get a nod.


I'd have him just outside the top 3, but only just - I'd put Gleason ahead though.




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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 24/10/2012 11:26:30 AM   
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War of the Buttons - eehhhhhhhh Kinda twee, yet at the same time, it desperately feels like it wants to be Hollywood. Not on board with it, sorry Reb'.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 24/10/2012 11:45:49 AM   
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I always thought it context it had more bite than seemed and I got the impression that was deliberate. So even though there are now two French versions, the Irish one was set in a more interesting place for that conflict. 

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 24/10/2012 12:11:35 PM   
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Trouble is that I think that's letting the context of the setting do a lot of the work that the writing and directing wasn't capable of.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 24/10/2012 1:48:07 PM   
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but the best performance in the film is definitely George C. Scott's Bert Gordon. Can't believe elab talks about performance of the round and he doesn't get a nod.


I'd have him just outside the top 3, but only just - I'd put Gleason ahead though.



We'll agree to disagree. IMO Gleeson has one great scene in this movie. The first time he plays Fast Eddie he's played through the night and then as an experienced pool player he knows the time for the kill. He goes to the bathroom and he freshens up. But I never feel he does a lot more in this film to place the Fast Eddie character.

Whereas Scott's Bert Gordon is menacing. In that same game he just sits in the corner not playing but in control. Winding Fast Eddie up so much that he asks him who he is. And that is Bert Gordon; everything is about control. He tells Fats that Eddie has no character, to keep playing him cos he's a loser. I do appreciate that its a very restrained performance by Scott, but this is the perfect buffer for Newman to play Eddie as having wearing his heart on his sleeve for most of the film (I guess that's why its a supporting performance). And I'd argue that though it has good dialogue, this is a film where things that are unsaid play as bigger part of the story. I've read critiques that Gordon is corporate America, which I admit I don't really get, but I can see that idea that he's not got any talent himself, but he has money and with that you don't need talent, you can control it.

In short watch The Hustler and vote Scott (though I'd also happily admit that I can see a lot of Lancaster's JJ Hunsecker in the way Scott plays Gordon).

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 24/10/2012 11:43:14 PM   
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I was torn between Odd Man Out and Shadow Of A Doubt. Ending up opting for Shadow Of A Doubt, mainly for Joseph Cotten's absolutely chilling performance as Uncle Charley. Not hard to see why it was The Master's personal favourite of his films.
However, I do hope that Odd Man Out also makes the final three.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 25/10/2012 12:52:05 AM   
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Uncle Charley has skyrocketed atop the pantheon of movie/television uncles alongside Uncle Jesse and Uncle Joey. Or maybe above them. Either way Shadow of a Doubt is Alfred Hitchcock, and Alfred Hitchcock is never a bad thing. Top 3. I'd be fine with this winning.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 25/10/2012 2:37:02 PM   
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The Royal Tenenbaums - Anderson and I are destined to never get along. The most he'll get out of me is a barely-impressed chuckle. Hackman, however, is superb. How he didn't get a Best Actor nomination in a particularly weak year at the Oscars is a mystery. Should have won, as well.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 25/10/2012 3:31:56 PM   
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Uncle Charley has skyrocketed atop the pantheon of movie/television uncles alongside Uncle Jesse and Uncle Joey. Or maybe above them. Either Shadow of a Doubt is Alfred Hitchcock, and Alfred Hitchcock is never a bad thing. Top 3. I'd be fine with this winning.


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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 25/10/2012 11:24:46 PM   
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I have rented Shadow of a Doubt For All Mankind and The Hustler. Shall be reporting soon.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 26/10/2012 7:31:32 PM   
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The Hustler is on TCM Tuesday evening at half 6.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 30/10/2012 1:21:04 AM   
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Saturday Night & Sunday Morning - I'm presuming Arctic Monkeys lifted that line of dialogue from this for their debut album. Really good flick, and Albert Finney is so the fucking man.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 30/10/2012 2:17:58 AM   
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Saturday Night & Sunday Morning - I'm presuming Arctic Monkeys lifted that line of dialogue from this for their debut album. Really good flick, and Albert Finney is so the fucking man.


Just finished watching it. Pretty much all this. The Arctic Monkeys album title line gave me that "oh that makes more sense now" moment.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 30/10/2012 4:57:49 PM   
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Really glad you both liked it. Have either of you seen any other Brit new wave films? I'd recommend Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner next.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 30/10/2012 6:10:26 PM   
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Really glad you both liked it. Have either of you seen any other Brit new wave films? I'd recommend Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner next.


I've seen If.... dunno if that counts.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 30/10/2012 10:04:15 PM   
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Really glad you both liked it. Have either of you seen any other Brit new wave films? I'd recommend Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner next.


I believe SN&SM popped my Brit new wave cherry.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 30/10/2012 10:43:27 PM   
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Really glad you both liked it. Have either of you seen any other Brit new wave films? I'd recommend Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner next.


I've seen If.... dunno if that counts.


THere's a bit of an argument around that one. I'd say it's too late and a bit too weird, certainly for the main cycle. My favourite is probably This Sporting Life, which I nearly nominated this round.


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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 30/10/2012 11:07:41 PM   
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LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT ROCK

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 31/10/2012 10:48:06 PM   
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Really glad you both liked it. Have either of you seen any other Brit new wave films? I'd recommend Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner next.


I've seen If.... dunno if that counts.


THere's a bit of an argument around that one. I'd say it's too late and a bit too weird, certainly for the main cycle. My favourite is probably This Sporting Life, which I nearly nominated this round.


I love A Taste Of Honey. Rita Tushingham's performance is beautiful.


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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 1/11/2012 4:39:05 PM   
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War Of The Buttons - I just found this pretty uninvolving and charmless. Sorry, Reb.

Gregory's Girl - This, on the other hand, is as perfect a summation of being a teenager as any other film, regardless of decade. And - "You all know what I'm looking for - a goal scorer, and that means two things: ball control, shooting accuracy and the ability to read the game. Three things." - is one of the best line readings ever.


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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 2/11/2012 9:18:42 PM   
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War Of The Buttons - I just found this pretty uninvolving and charmless. Sorry, Reb.



You're pretty uninvolving and charmless though.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 2/11/2012 10:25:54 PM   
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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 2/11/2012 10:27:13 PM   
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It's Dev' saying it, why do you care? Although you did pick a good film this time, Dev'.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 3/11/2012 11:08:56 PM   
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While thank you...

On another note, I won't call Shadow of a Doubt is good. Good but other than Cotten and some moments I'd never call it great.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 4/11/2012 3:46:42 PM   
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While thank you...

On another note, I won't call Shadow of a Doubt is good. Good but other than Cotten and some moments I'd never call it great.



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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 4/11/2012 4:36:43 PM   
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I abhor you for that.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 6/11/2012 11:02:13 AM   
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Shadow of a Doubt - enjoyed it a lot, though some bits were a little shaky. Niece Charlie was so annoying. Uncle Charlie, however, was fantastic.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 6/11/2012 11:08:45 AM   
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While thank you...

On another note, I won't call Shadow of a Doubt is good. Good but other than Cotten and some moments I'd never call it great.



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Shadow of a Doubt - enjoyed it a lot, though some bits were a little shaky. Niece Charlie was so annoying. Uncle Charlie, however, was fantastic.


Shadow of a Doubt a bit less popular than I expected.

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RE: Hall of Fame 16: Round 01 - 6/11/2012 11:12:08 AM   
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I enjoyed it a lot and was gripped to the end, but some parts just didn't work for me. Though I loved some of the dialogue Cotton had.

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