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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

Speaking as someone who isn't exactly a hardcore Bond fan but likes the films well enough, the absence of Bond in the gun barrel does not have any bearing on the overall quality of the film. It was a just a cute little thing really doesn't really mean shit in the grand scheme. I mean, consider this before you angrily bash at your keyboard and voice you're pleasure on a message board about this egregious omission: what does the film lose from losing the gun barrel? Absolutely nothing is the correct answer. Zilch, zero, nada, nothing.

I also understand that there are a few people out there who are still not sold on Daniel Craig's tough, no-nonsense Bond. Well, those people are more than entitled to not like him. But I will say in his defence that his Bond is more appropriate to a post 9/11 world. Sticking to the Connery-esque quips and the Roger Moore-esque comedic eye-brow cocking just simply wouldn't cut it in this day and age. The character of Bond needs to mature and progress to keep the franchise from becoming stagnant. And I think Eon realized this and took the franchise in the direction that it needed to go. They stumbled with the awful Quantum of Solace, but those good intentions are still there.

Personally speaking, I'm going to wait until I peep the film until passing judgement on it, but I hope it goes back to being just as entertaining as Casino Royale.

I will also note that Craig is doing wonderful things with Bond. He's giving the character a complexity that was never really there with Moore and Brosnan, while still retaining that fantasy figure vibe. For me, he's the best Bond yet.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze
Mattyb is a shining example of what the perfect Empire Forum member is.

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Also, when will people realise that we really don't want to read their reviews on here?!#

We have the Empire review and that is what we are debating, and indeed the film itself.

If I want third rate, amateur reviews I will buy Total Film.

You might not want to read other people's reviews, but others do.

The whole purpose of kicking open a thread like this is for people to post their thoughts, feelings and reviews. Quite frankly you can piss off if you don't like it in here.

Yes post their thoughts and feelings that is fine. I just laugh at people who write their 'review' in the style of the pros and try to make it look formal.

Also, sunny Jim, I've been on Empire a long, long time. So don't be cheeky, that is a sure sign you have lost the argument.

Enjoy.

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Post your reader reviews here - threads are also generated from content on the main site.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I would plough my way through MonsterCat

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I desire MonsterCat to go down on me.

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ORIGINAL: Sweepy Reg

Saw this yesterday at a charity screening and it left me entirely underwhelmed. I'm a lifelong Bond fan and thought CASINO ROYALE was truly fantastic but all SKYFALL confirms is that the producers of Bond have no balls: they are slowly returning this franchise to everything they tried to get away from when Craig started, including in this new film, plenty of gags and moments that would fit straight into a Roger Moore movie. What struck me though was the complete lack of ideas present in the film: why the producers continue to hire Neal Purvis and Robert Wade is beyond me. There is zero story and it ends up a rather embarrassing thinly disguised DARK KNIGHT-rip off with entirely generic action sequences. I came out of CASINO ROYALE buzzing with excitement and ended up watching it three times in the cinema. By the time I'd gotten home last night I'd forgotten what I'd watched.

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I just laugh at people who write their 'review' in the style of the pros and try to make it look formal.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze
Mattyb is a shining example of what the perfect Empire Forum member is.

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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

Also, sunny Jim, I've been on Empire a long, long time. So don't be cheeky, that is a sure sign you have lost the argument.

Enjoy.

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ORIGINAL: elab49 (via Gizoogle)

Gentleman, please - could our crazy-ass asses leave dis thread ta gangstas wantin ta say shit bout a funky-ass bad film?

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ORIGINAL: Fit Kisto

Just back. A total home run on this one, easily the best of the Craig era. Along with Sam Mendes, Roger Deakins was a fantastic addition to the creative team, I can't wait to watch a replay that high-rise silhouette sequence and the ending scenes had some standout locations and lighting for the entire Bond series.

Like with Casino Royale The tone was very well judged, and the new additions to the cast proved themselves entirely worthy of the roles they are stepping in to. Bardem added another memorable villain to his roster, his entrance scene was particularly effective The humorous moments in the film went down very well. Thankfully Purvis and Wade managed to avoid slipping in any of their occasional clunkers this time.


One thing lingering on my mind

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Is it possible the role of Kincade played by Albert Finney might have been intended for Sean Connery? It would have fit in with the whole anniversary theme.

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ORIGINAL: manwihtheplan
I was thinking about the modern era Craig Bond films yesterday and it hit me what is wrong with them...

There is not much glamour.

When you watch the Craig Bond films all the glamour is stripped down. Craig isn't exactly the type of man most men would like to be like (I mean in a secret agent context) and going the more realistic route tends to negative the fantastical elements of the franchise: world domination, over-the top henchman, gadgets, humour etc. From what I've read Skyfall has the f word? UPDATED - a reviewer has confirmed this on a James Bond website.

I feel the inclusion of the f word is unnecessary. Cubby Broccoli described his Bond franchise as "sadism for the family" but the f word makes it not "sadism for the family." And as for the gun barrel at the end of Skyfall - meh. Babs and MG are basically saying: "screw the old format, we're doing it our way and if some fans don't like it, tough."

With all due respect, that is not glamour in the later Connery Bonds, Moore Bonds and the Brosnan Bond (I re-watched Goldeneye recently and that hasn't aged well) and what those Bonds featured were quite a bit of camp and wackiness (YOLT is still the the most wonderfully wacky of them all, Moonraker the one that's just dumb). There is more glamour in Skyfall's Shanghai's and Macua's sequences than anything in Brosnan's and Moore's films, while even giving us a pit of man-hungry komodo dragons.

Oh and you know what you sound like right now? Kyle's mum. "Guys, it's ok to do all the horrific violence you want to do, but say no naughty words".

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There is zero story and it ends up a rather embarrassing thinly disguised DARK KNIGHT-rip off

There actually was a story. It was quite good and one of the most unique ones in the franchise

Oh and yes, because Bond films don't have a habit to rip-off things from other franchises and fashions of the day (Live and Let Die and Moonraker) or themselves, how many times did a satellite prove a danger for mankind or did a third party try and start a war between the UK and USA agaisnt the Soviets?

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... did no-one else enjoy the opening of the film - replacing the gun barrel sequence with bond appearing at the end of the darkened corridor. I thought it was a clever replacement.

Me too, and the opening credits were class.

I loved it btw, best Bond film I've seen since The Living Daylights IMHO, most emotional one since OHMSS and also the best directed, one of the most memorable opening credits and some great moments, a truly fun flamboyant villian in Bardem and the prettiest Bond ever, even considering the earlier Bonds when they were released in their times.


I guess this means Craig has been in more good Bond films than Brosnan has.

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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

Well, you're not a mod so you don't get to tell people what people what they can and can not post. Also, this part of the forum is partly meant for posting reviews, most of which are well written.

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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

Also, sunny Jim, I've been on Empire a long, long time. So don't be cheeky, that is a sure sign you have lost the argument.

Enjoy.

Long enough to have forgotten this?

http://www.empireonline.com/forum/tm.asp?m=2250893&mpage=1&key=review&NID=0#2254048

You lost this argument three years ago.

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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

Well, you're not a mod so you don't get to tell people what people what they can and can not post. Also, this part of the forum is partly meant for posting reviews, most of which are well written.

It is simply my opinion.

I want debate and opinion as much as anyone, but it makes me laugh when someone writes a review as if it is going to appear in Empire (and it is not just on this thread).

But I suppose they are only about 15 right enough.

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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

Well, you're not a mod so you don't get to tell people what people what they can and can not post. Also, this part of the forum is partly meant for posting reviews, most of which are well written.

It is simply my opinion.

I want debate and opinion as much as anyone, but it makes me laugh when someone writes a review as if it is going to appear in Empire (and it is not just on this thread).

But I suppose they are only about 15 right enough.

You are a moron. That's my last post on the subject.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze
Mattyb is a shining example of what the perfect Empire Forum member is.

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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

Well, you're not a mod so you don't get to tell people what people what they can and can not post. Also, this part of the forum is partly meant for posting reviews, most of which are well written.

It is simply my opinion.

I want debate and opinion as much as anyone, but it makes me laugh when someone writes a review as if it is going to appear in Empire (and it is not just on this thread).

But I suppose they are only about 15 right enough.

You are a moron. That's my last post on the subject.

Why lower yourself to personal insults?

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them 'a moron'.

I find that pretty offensive actually.

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ORIGINAL: matty_b

I would plough my way through MonsterCat

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I desire MonsterCat to go down on me.

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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

Also, sunny Jim, I've been on Empire a long, long time. So don't be cheeky, that is a sure sign you have lost the argument.

Enjoy.

Long enough to have forgotten this?

http://www.empireonline.com/forum/tm.asp?m=2250893&mpage=1&key=review&NID=0#2254048

You lost this argument three years ago.

How is that?

Having a thread devoted to Amateur Reviewers then keeps them off the thread for debating the movie.

Am I right in saying that before a film comes out we debate it on Future Films and then once out people migrate to Film Reviews?

Then possibly some years later we can discuss it on Favourite Movies.

So good try, but try harder.

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ORIGINAL: elab49 (via Gizoogle)

Gentleman, please - could our crazy-ass asses leave dis thread ta gangstas wantin ta say shit bout a funky-ass bad film?

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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

Well, you're not a mod so you don't get to tell people what people what they can and can not post. Also, this part of the forum is partly meant for posting reviews, most of which are well written.

It is simply my opinion.

I want debate and opinion as much as anyone, but it makes me laugh when someone writes a review as if it is going to appear in Empire (and it is not just on this thread).

But I suppose they are only about 15 right enough.

You are a moron. That's my last post on the subject.

Why lower yourself to personal insults?

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them 'a moron'.

I find that pretty offensive actually.

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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson



The Fleming Bond which all the pretentious tw@ts love to quote

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze
Mattyb is a shining example of what the perfect Empire Forum member is.

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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

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ORIGINAL: Deviation

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ORIGINAL: manwihtheplan
I was thinking about the modern era Craig Bond films yesterday and it hit me what is wrong with them...

There is not much glamour.

When you watch the Craig Bond films all the glamour is stripped down. Craig isn't exactly the type of man most men would like to be like (I mean in a secret agent context) and going the more realistic route tends to negative the fantastical elements of the franchise: world domination, over-the top henchman, gadgets, humour etc. From what I've read Skyfall has the f word? UPDATED - a reviewer has confirmed this on a James Bond website.

I feel the inclusion of the f word is unnecessary. Cubby Broccoli described his Bond franchise as "sadism for the family" but the f word makes it not "sadism for the family." And as for the gun barrel at the end of Skyfall - meh. Babs and MG are basically saying: "screw the old format, we're doing it our way and if some fans don't like it, tough."

With all due respect, that is not glamour in the later Connery Bonds, Moore Bonds and the Brosnan Bond (I re-watched Goldeneye recently and that hasn't aged well) and what those Bonds featured were quite a bit of camp and wackiness (YOLT is still the the most wonderfully wacky of them all, Moonraker the one that's just dumb). There is more glamour in Skyfall's Shanghai's and Macua's sequences than anything in Brosnan's and Moore's films, while even giving us a pit of man-hungry komodo dragons.

Oh and you know what you sound like right now? Kyle's mum. "Guys, it's ok to do all the horrific violence you want to do, but say no naughty words".

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There is zero story and it ends up a rather embarrassing thinly disguised DARK KNIGHT-rip off

There actually was a story. It was quite good and one of the most unique ones in the franchise

Oh and yes, because Bond films don't have a habit to rip-off things from other franchises and fashions of the day (Live and Let Die and Moonraker) or themselves, how many times did a satellite prove a danger for mankind or did a third party try and start a war between the UK and USA agaisnt the Soviets?

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... did no-one else enjoy the opening of the film - replacing the gun barrel sequence with bond appearing at the end of the darkened corridor. I thought it was a clever replacement.

Me too, and the opening credits were class.

I loved it btw, best Bond film I've seen since The Living Daylights IMHO, most emotional one since OHMSS and also the best directed, one of the most memorable opening credits and some great moments, a truly fun flamboyant villian in Bardem and the prettiest Bond ever, even considering the earlier Bonds when they were released in their times.


I guess this means Craig has been in more good Bond films than Brosnan has.

Shanghai did look amazing and Macau is an incredible place but we never really saw it in the movie. It has a very continental feel as it was a former Portuguese colony.

There was plenty of glamour in the old Bonds, I think that is a ridiculous comment to make! For example, Moonraker, a film often slagged off, has glamour all over the shop from the beautiful astronauts of both genders, to the travelogue settings such as Venice and Rio. You can't get much more glamorous that that!

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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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Great. First they rip off Jason Bourne and now they rip off The Dark Knight.

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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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Is it possible the role of Kincade played by Albert Finney might have been intended for Sean Connery? It would have fit in with the whole anniversary theme.

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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze
Mattyb is a shining example of what the perfect Empire Forum member is.

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ORIGINAL: Vadersville

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Is it possible the role of Kincade played by Albert Finney might have been intended for Sean Connery? It would have fit in with the whole anniversary theme.

I thought this was pretty blatant. His first line is "Bond, James Bond." and then later, after dispatching a henchmen he quips, "Welcome to Scottland." Definitley this was originally meant for Connery. Guess they just couldn't coax him out of retirement. Gutted.

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I get a strong wiff of patroniage. Now that Bond has literally met the Queenie the press look at Bond in a different, Elton John / untouchable light..he is royality. Hence the 5 star reviews. Combine this fact with the utter pretentiousness of this Skyfall mess - the lighting the acting....this was a total traversty of a film - a right royal cockup on a grand scale and to think the producers et al are all patting themselves on the back for a job well done...I sense...despite the obvious boxoffice hit it will be...that Skyfall will be the nail in the coffin for the francise. Don't believe me..well..some execs should start filming peoples reactions while watching this movie..bored to tears.

I speak as a fan..i was gutted watching the movie last night -i have high expetetations..and thats the problem...everyone going to see this has seen the fantastic reviews for 'Sam Medas new film'...but what they are going to get is..for Act 1 and Act 2 is a boring badly plotted thriller...certainly no action-packed specactular. I honestly had a chap snoring ( which drew bigger laughs than any of the 'gags' in this movie ) ...i had people walking out and I had someone behind me debating with his mate when it started and when in gods name it will be over...words to that effect!

Now..it wasnt all dark..there was some light...I mean the performances were excellent, loving Albert Finney, Mallory, Craig. Opening titles sequence was well up to scratch...but clearly all the money was spent on that!!! big major mistake!! ( i mean look at what Casino did.. a cheap opening sequence and then start the film proper and use the crane chase...more effective ).

I am puzzled by so many reviewers all saying that the 3rd part dragged/patchy...because it clearly wasnt..it totally upped its gear...it was a grand 3rd act...but it wasnt Bond movie..but it was a good..if nonesense bit of fun...thank God...cause boy o boy did we need it by then!! The trouble was...acts 1 and 2..NOTHING happened...but talking..talking...talking...a couple of very quick fistie cuffs and thats it..back to long introduction to a character an more talking......

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This movie was 4 yrs in the planning...they had time for a cohernt script...the 3rd act is a total nightmare ( yes..it was enjoyable ) but it was a complete shambles...dont want to give spoilers..but prey tell me for the love of God how anyone would protect M by whisking her off to a abandoned house, no ammo..no backup and yet leaves 'breadcrumbs' so they can be traced....yeeeeeesh!!!!!! and then..Bond is...erm..REWARDED so to speak via Mallory..for what!!! for...erm..basically letting Silva get what he wanted - he won didnt he basically!!! ...and the bond girl ..what there was off her....equally terrible...after a 5 minute meeting she basically gives up her life for him....yes, i know, sleep with Bond and you die..but what a terrible script really..its an insult..and this gets 5 stars!!!!!!!

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There are certainly times where calling a person a cunt is not only reasonable, it is a gross understatement.

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ORIGINAL: elab49
I really wish I could go down to see Privates

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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

Well, you're not a mod so you don't get to tell people what people what they can and can not post. Also, this part of the forum is partly meant for posting reviews, most of which are well written.

It is simply my opinion.

I want debate and opinion as much as anyone, but it makes me laugh when someone writes a review as if it is going to appear in Empire (and it is not just on this thread).

But I suppose they are only about 15 right enough.