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RE: Skyfall - 27/10/2012 4:11:27 PM   
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Speaking as someone who isn't exactly a hardcore Bond fan but likes the films well enough, the absence of Bond in the gun barrel does not have any bearing on the overall quality of the film. It was a just a cute little thing really doesn't really mean shit in the grand scheme. I mean, consider this before you angrily bash at your keyboard and voice you're pleasure on a message board about this egregious omission: what does the film lose from losing the gun barrel? Absolutely nothing is the correct answer. Zilch, zero, nada, nothing.

I also understand that there are a few people out there who are still not sold on Daniel Craig's tough, no-nonsense Bond. Well, those people are more than entitled to not like him. But I will say in his defence that his Bond is more appropriate to a post 9/11 world. Sticking to the Connery-esque quips and the Roger Moore-esque comedic eye-brow cocking just simply wouldn't cut it in this day and age. The character of Bond needs to mature and progress to keep the franchise from becoming stagnant. And I think Eon realized this and took the franchise in the direction that it needed to go. They stumbled with the awful Quantum of Solace, but those good intentions are still there.

Personally speaking, I'm going to wait until I peep the film until passing judgement on it, but I hope it goes back to being just as entertaining as Casino Royale.

I will also note that Craig is doing wonderful things with Bond. He's giving the character a complexity that was never really there with Moore and Brosnan, while still retaining that fantasy figure vibe. For me, he's the best Bond yet.


LOL! I feel your pain!


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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 4:13:00 PM   
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LOL at Hudson whining that people are putting reviews....in a review thread.

LOL at Hudson throwing his toys out of his pram and whining that he doesn't want to read what other people put. What makes him think we want to read his tired rubbish for the 458th time?

LOL at Hudson labelling other people 'third rate' and amateur.

Man, I used to think Star Wars attracted the biggest cry babies in the fanboy community, but Bond has really changed my mind in the last few years.

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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 4:13:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

Also, when will people realise that we really don't want to read their reviews on here?!#

We have the Empire review and that is what we are debating, and indeed the film itself.

If I want third rate, amateur reviews I will buy Total Film.


You might not want to read other people's reviews, but others do.

The whole purpose of kicking open a thread like this is for people to post their thoughts, feelings and reviews. Quite frankly you can piss off if you don't like it in here.


Yes post their thoughts and feelings that is fine. I just laugh at people who write their 'review' in the style of the pros and try to make it look formal.

Also, sunny Jim, I've been on Empire a long, long time. So don't be cheeky, that is a sure sign you have lost the argument.

Enjoy.


Bringing up how long you've been a member is an even surer sign that you've lost the argument. Especially when you're in a thread in Film Reviews, a subforum described in these words

quote:

Film Reviews
Post your reader reviews here - threads are also generated from content on the main site.


demanding that people don't post their reader reviews.

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RE: Where this hype is coming from is a mystery to me. - 27/10/2012 4:14:18 PM   
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Saw this yesterday at a charity screening and it left me entirely underwhelmed. I'm a lifelong Bond fan and thought CASINO ROYALE was truly fantastic but all SKYFALL confirms is that the producers of Bond have no balls: they are slowly returning this franchise to everything they tried to get away from when Craig started, including in this new film, plenty of gags and moments that would fit straight into a Roger Moore movie. What struck me though was the complete lack of ideas present in the film: why the producers continue to hire Neal Purvis and Robert Wade is beyond me. There is zero story and it ends up a rather embarrassing thinly disguised DARK KNIGHT-rip off with entirely generic action sequences. I came out of CASINO ROYALE buzzing with excitement and ended up watching it three times in the cinema. By the time I'd gotten home last night I'd forgotten what I'd watched.


The gags in the Roger Moore movies (and indeed the Connery movies) had something missing here: they were funny.


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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 4:15:05 PM   
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I just laugh at people who write their 'review' in the style of the pros and try to make it look formal.


Of course you're laughing at them. Of course you're not boiling with rage that people are disagreeing with you and the film is getting pretty well acclaimed.

Of course that's the case. Sure.

This thread already...

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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 4:15:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

Also, sunny Jim, I've been on Empire a long, long time. So don't be cheeky, that is a sure sign you have lost the argument.

Enjoy.


Long enough to have forgotten this?

http://www.empireonline.com/forum/tm.asp?m=2250893&mpage=1&key=review&NID=0#2254048

You lost this argument three years ago.

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RE: Gun Barrel Barney.... - 27/10/2012 4:16:11 PM   
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Just back. A total home run on this one, easily the best of the Craig era. Along with Sam Mendes, Roger Deakins was a fantastic addition to the creative team, I can't wait to watch a replay that high-rise silhouette sequence and the ending scenes had some standout locations and lighting for the entire Bond series.

Like with Casino Royale The tone was very well judged, and the new additions to the cast proved themselves entirely worthy of the roles they are stepping in to. Bardem added another memorable villain to his roster, his entrance scene was particularly effective The humorous moments in the film went down very well. Thankfully Purvis and Wade managed to avoid slipping in any of their occasional clunkers this time.


One thing lingering on my mind

SLIGHT SPOILERS








Is it possible the role of Kincade played by Albert Finney might have been intended for Sean Connery? It would have fit in with the whole anniversary theme.


Connery has been retired since 2004. I would have liked a Scotsman to play it though. I am sure they could have got someone like Brian Cox (the original Hannibal and not the former D:Ream keyboard player turned astro-physicist)


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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 4:18:29 PM   
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Well, you're not a mod so you don't get to tell people what people what they can and can not post. Also, this part of the forum is partly meant for posting reviews, most of which are well written.

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RE: Bond back on top (no shagging pun intended) - 27/10/2012 4:20:03 PM   
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I was thinking about the modern era Craig Bond films yesterday and it hit me what is wrong with them...

There is not much glamour.

When you watch the Craig Bond films all the glamour is stripped down. Craig isn't exactly the type of man most men would like to be like (I mean in a secret agent context) and going the more realistic route tends to negative the fantastical elements of the franchise: world domination, over-the top henchman, gadgets, humour etc. From what I've read Skyfall has the f word? UPDATED - a reviewer has confirmed this on a James Bond website.

I feel the inclusion of the f word is unnecessary. Cubby Broccoli described his Bond franchise as "sadism for the family" but the f word makes it not "sadism for the family." And as for the gun barrel at the end of Skyfall - meh. Babs and MG are basically saying: "screw the old format, we're doing it our way and if some fans don't like it, tough."



With all due respect, that is not glamour in the later Connery Bonds, Moore Bonds and the Brosnan Bond (I re-watched Goldeneye recently and that hasn't aged well) and what those Bonds featured were quite a bit of camp and wackiness (YOLT is still the the most wonderfully wacky of them all, Moonraker the one that's just dumb). There is more glamour in Skyfall's Shanghai's and Macua's sequences than anything in Brosnan's and Moore's films, while even giving us a pit of man-hungry komodo dragons.

Oh and you know what you sound like right now? Kyle's mum. "Guys, it's ok to do all the horrific violence you want to do, but say no naughty words".

quote:

There is zero story and it ends up a rather embarrassing thinly disguised DARK KNIGHT-rip off


There actually was a story. It was quite good and one of the most unique ones in the franchise

Oh and yes, because Bond films don't have a habit to rip-off things from other franchises and fashions of the day (Live and Let Die and Moonraker) or themselves, how many times did a satellite prove a danger for mankind or did a third party try and start a war between the UK and USA agaisnt the Soviets?

quote:

... did no-one else enjoy the opening of the film - replacing the gun barrel sequence with bond appearing at the end of the darkened corridor. I thought it was a clever replacement.


Me too, and the opening credits were class.

I loved it btw, best Bond film I've seen since The Living Daylights IMHO, most emotional one since OHMSS and also the best directed, one of the most memorable opening credits and some great moments, a truly fun flamboyant villian in Bardem and the prettiest Bond ever, even considering the earlier Bonds when they were released in their times.


I guess this means Craig has been in more good Bond films than Brosnan has.





Shanghai did look amazing and Macau is an incredible place but we never really saw it in the movie. It has a very continental feel as it was a former Portuguese colony.

There was plenty of glamour in the old Bonds, I think that is a ridiculous comment to make! For example, Moonraker, a film often slagged off, has glamour all over the shop from the beautiful astronauts of both genders, to the travelogue settings such as Venice and Rio. You can't get much more glamorous that that!

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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 4:21:27 PM   
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Well, you're not a mod so you don't get to tell people what people what they can and can not post. Also, this part of the forum is partly meant for posting reviews, most of which are well written.


It is simply my opinion.

I want debate and opinion as much as anyone, but it makes me laugh when someone writes a review as if it is going to appear in Empire (and it is not just on this thread).

But I suppose they are only about 15 right enough.

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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 4:25:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

Also, sunny Jim, I've been on Empire a long, long time. So don't be cheeky, that is a sure sign you have lost the argument.

Enjoy.


Long enough to have forgotten this?

http://www.empireonline.com/forum/tm.asp?m=2250893&mpage=1&key=review&NID=0#2254048

You lost this argument three years ago.


How is that?

Having a thread devoted to Amateur Reviewers then keeps them off the thread for debating the movie.

Am I right in saying that before a film comes out we debate it on Future Films and then once out people migrate to Film Reviews?

Then possibly some years later we can discuss it on Favourite Movies.

So good try, but try harder.

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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 4:27:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

Well, you're not a mod so you don't get to tell people what people what they can and can not post. Also, this part of the forum is partly meant for posting reviews, most of which are well written.


It is simply my opinion.

I want debate and opinion as much as anyone, but it makes me laugh when someone writes a review as if it is going to appear in Empire (and it is not just on this thread).

But I suppose they are only about 15 right enough.


You are a moron. That's my last post on the subject.


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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 4:31:01 PM   
Private Hudson


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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat


quote:

ORIGINAL: Private Hudson


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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

Well, you're not a mod so you don't get to tell people what people what they can and can not post. Also, this part of the forum is partly meant for posting reviews, most of which are well written.


It is simply my opinion.

I want debate and opinion as much as anyone, but it makes me laugh when someone writes a review as if it is going to appear in Empire (and it is not just on this thread).

But I suppose they are only about 15 right enough.


You are a moron. That's my last post on the subject.



Why lower yourself to personal insults?

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them 'a moron'.

I find that pretty offensive actually.


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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 4:31:47 PM   
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Thing is MC, Hudson just ignores people who dissect what he says and proves him wrong. He's been doing it for years. It's pointless, it's like trying to reason with a 14-year-old in a strop.

And you know what it says in the top stickied post in this subforum?

"Review the film".

So there you go. Which I suggest we all do, instead of wasting more time on him.


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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 4:33:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson


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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat


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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson


quote:

ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

Well, you're not a mod so you don't get to tell people what people what they can and can not post. Also, this part of the forum is partly meant for posting reviews, most of which are well written.


It is simply my opinion.

I want debate and opinion as much as anyone, but it makes me laugh when someone writes a review as if it is going to appear in Empire (and it is not just on this thread).

But I suppose they are only about 15 right enough.


You are a moron. That's my last post on the subject.



Why lower yourself to personal insults?

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them 'a moron'.

I find that pretty offensive actually.



You've been trying to bait people for the last several posts. Demanding reviews don't appear in a thread for reviews, calling other people's posts third rate, saying you find them laughable, saying that the only people who would write them are teenagers. You've been trying to get an angry response.

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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 4:33:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Private Hudson


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ORIGINAL: Scruffybobby


quote:

ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

Also, sunny Jim, I've been on Empire a long, long time. So don't be cheeky, that is a sure sign you have lost the argument.

Enjoy.


Long enough to have forgotten this?

http://www.empireonline.com/forum/tm.asp?m=2250893&mpage=1&key=review&NID=0#2254048

You lost this argument three years ago.


How is that?

Having a thread devoted to Amateur Reviewers then keeps them off the thread for debating the movie.

Am I right in saying that before a film comes out we debate it on Future Films and then once out people migrate to Film Reviews?

Then possibly some years later we can discuss it on Favourite Movies.

So good try, but try harder.


Once again this is the "Review thread" for Reviews. It says so on the main forum page. And underneath Kim Newman's review, in big red letters it says "Write your own review". Which was pointed out to you last time and which you are clearly, deliberately igorning. You are of course free to use the thread for discussion and "debate" but you cannot deny or ignore the plain fact that this is also for reviews. Now please stop being so willfully stupid.


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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 4:34:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat


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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson


quote:

ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

Well, you're not a mod so you don't get to tell people what people what they can and can not post. Also, this part of the forum is partly meant for posting reviews, most of which are well written.


It is simply my opinion.

I want debate and opinion as much as anyone, but it makes me laugh when someone writes a review as if it is going to appear in Empire (and it is not just on this thread).

But I suppose they are only about 15 right enough.


You are a moron. That's my last post on the subject.



Why lower yourself to personal insults?

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them 'a moron'.

I find that pretty offensive actually.



From you, earlier in this thread -

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ORIGINAL: Private Hudson



The Fleming Bond which all the pretentious tw@ts love to quote



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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 4:35:46 PM   
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Surely the best way to express an opinion of a movie is to write an "amateur review" which explains the reasoning behind opinions. I could come on here and say I thought Skyfall was very good but that's not going to start a discussion is it? At least if I explain why I thought it was very good people can feel free to disagree or agree with me. If you don't want to read the "amateur reviews" don't read them.

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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 4:55:28 PM   
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Seriously can't take anyone's review seriously who posts about it not being as good as the Connery or Moore films. Jesus. I swear to god people are brainwashed in to thinking those movies are good .

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RE: Bond back on top (no shagging pun intended) - 27/10/2012 5:12:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Private Hudson


quote:

ORIGINAL: Deviation

quote:

ORIGINAL: manwihtheplan
I was thinking about the modern era Craig Bond films yesterday and it hit me what is wrong with them...

There is not much glamour.

When you watch the Craig Bond films all the glamour is stripped down. Craig isn't exactly the type of man most men would like to be like (I mean in a secret agent context) and going the more realistic route tends to negative the fantastical elements of the franchise: world domination, over-the top henchman, gadgets, humour etc. From what I've read Skyfall has the f word? UPDATED - a reviewer has confirmed this on a James Bond website.

I feel the inclusion of the f word is unnecessary. Cubby Broccoli described his Bond franchise as "sadism for the family" but the f word makes it not "sadism for the family." And as for the gun barrel at the end of Skyfall - meh. Babs and MG are basically saying: "screw the old format, we're doing it our way and if some fans don't like it, tough."



With all due respect, that is not glamour in the later Connery Bonds, Moore Bonds and the Brosnan Bond (I re-watched Goldeneye recently and that hasn't aged well) and what those Bonds featured were quite a bit of camp and wackiness (YOLT is still the the most wonderfully wacky of them all, Moonraker the one that's just dumb). There is more glamour in Skyfall's Shanghai's and Macua's sequences than anything in Brosnan's and Moore's films, while even giving us a pit of man-hungry komodo dragons.

Oh and you know what you sound like right now? Kyle's mum. "Guys, it's ok to do all the horrific violence you want to do, but say no naughty words".

quote:

There is zero story and it ends up a rather embarrassing thinly disguised DARK KNIGHT-rip off


There actually was a story. It was quite good and one of the most unique ones in the franchise

Oh and yes, because Bond films don't have a habit to rip-off things from other franchises and fashions of the day (Live and Let Die and Moonraker) or themselves, how many times did a satellite prove a danger for mankind or did a third party try and start a war between the UK and USA agaisnt the Soviets?

quote:

... did no-one else enjoy the opening of the film - replacing the gun barrel sequence with bond appearing at the end of the darkened corridor. I thought it was a clever replacement.


Me too, and the opening credits were class.

I loved it btw, best Bond film I've seen since The Living Daylights IMHO, most emotional one since OHMSS and also the best directed, one of the most memorable opening credits and some great moments, a truly fun flamboyant villian in Bardem and the prettiest Bond ever, even considering the earlier Bonds when they were released in their times.


I guess this means Craig has been in more good Bond films than Brosnan has.





Shanghai did look amazing and Macau is an incredible place but we never really saw it in the movie. It has a very continental feel as it was a former Portuguese colony.

There was plenty of glamour in the old Bonds, I think that is a ridiculous comment to make! For example, Moonraker, a film often slagged off, has glamour all over the shop from the beautiful astronauts of both genders, to the travelogue settings such as Venice and Rio. You can't get much more glamorous that that!


Which are let down by the campness, Moonraker looses all glamour points when they gave Jaws a romantic interest. Venice feels oddly stale in that (I prefer in FRWL) and Rio is let down by all the excess found around it. part of it is getting the athmosphere, Moore's Bonds, while very fun and some I'm fond of, aren't even close. India is an incredible country as they come, New Delhi a stunning place, Octopussy turned it into a jokey set-piece


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RE: Silva the Joker - 27/10/2012 5:18:01 PM   
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Great. First they rip off Jason Bourne and now they rip off The Dark Knight.


It used to be worse, they used to rip-off their own plots in the franchise before and cash-in in Star Wars and the blaxspoitation phenomena.

Oh and the escape in Skyfall makes far more plausible sense than it did in TDK.

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RE: Skyfall - 27/10/2012 5:44:24 PM   
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I get a strong wiff of patroniage. Now that Bond has literally met the Queenie the press look at Bond in a different, Elton John / untouchable light..he is royality. Hence the 5 star reviews. Combine this fact with the utter pretentiousness of this Skyfall mess - the lighting the acting....this was a total traversty of a film - a right royal cockup on a grand scale and to think the producers et al are all patting themselves on the back for a job well done...I sense...despite the obvious boxoffice hit it will be...that Skyfall will be the nail in the coffin for the francise. Don't believe me..well..some execs should start filming peoples reactions while watching this movie..bored to tears.

I speak as a fan..i was gutted watching the movie last night -i have high expetetations..and thats the problem...everyone going to see this has seen the fantastic reviews for 'Sam Medas new film'...but what they are going to get is..for Act 1 and Act 2 is a boring badly plotted thriller...certainly no action-packed specactular. I honestly had a chap snoring ( which drew bigger laughs than any of the 'gags' in this movie ) ...i had people walking out and I had someone behind me debating with his mate when it started and when in gods name it will be over...words to that effect!

Now..it wasnt all dark..there was some light...I mean the performances were excellent, loving Albert Finney, Mallory, Craig. Opening titles sequence was well up to scratch...but clearly all the money was spent on that!!! big major mistake!! ( i mean look at what Casino did.. a cheap opening sequence and then start the film proper and use the crane chase...more effective ).

I am puzzled by so many reviewers all saying that the 3rd part dragged/patchy...because it clearly wasnt..it totally upped its gear...it was a grand 3rd act...but it wasnt Bond movie..but it was a good..if nonesense bit of fun...thank God...cause boy o boy did we need it by then!! The trouble was...acts 1 and 2..NOTHING happened...but talking..talking...talking...a couple of very quick fistie cuffs and thats it..back to long introduction to a character an more talking......

This movie was 4 yrs in the planning...they had time for a cohernt script...the 3rd act is a total nightmare ( yes..it was enjoyable ) but it was a complete shambles...dont want to give spoilers..but prey tell me for the love of God how anyone would protect M by whisking her off to a abandoned house, no ammo..no backup and yet leaves 'breadcrumbs' so they can be traced....yeeeeeesh!!!!!! and then..Bond is...erm..REWARDED so to speak via Mallory..for what!!! for...erm..basically letting Silva get what he wanted - he won didnt he basically!!! ...and the bond girl ..what there was off her....equally terrible...after a 5 minute meeting she basically gives up her life for him....yes, i know, sleep with Bond and you die..but what a terrible script really..its an insult..and this gets 5 stars!!!!!!!

At least it gives Diamonds a run for it's money when debating the worst Bond movies. Something this time yesterday i never dreamed Id be typing...but sadly this is dire...and i seriously worry for the next one...this aint no OHMSS i can assure you of that...Bond in space made more sense ( and much more fun ) than this.

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RE: Skyfall - 27/10/2012 6:07:18 PM   
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I loved it. I thought there was a good 20-30 minutes in that first hour that dragged on for a bit, but those were still some beautiful looking 20-30 minutes.

To say this was a better anniversary Bond than Die Another Day would be an insult to Skyfall for even mentioning them in the same sentence

Surprisingly emotional too, and a very pleasing last few minutes when a very important loose end is perfectly tied up.

Bardem was awesome. He was like Batman's Bane to Bond's Bond, and that sequence of events where his plan unfolds is diamond

I can't properly put it into words, but this was a great film. At the very least it's one of the best Bond films.

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RE: Gun Barrel Barney.... - 27/10/2012 6:09:31 PM   
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Is it possible the role of Kincade played by Albert Finney might have been intended for Sean Connery? It would have fit in with the whole anniversary theme.


I thought this was pretty blatant. His first line is "Bond, James Bond." and then later, after dispatching a henchmen he quips, "Welcome to Scottland." Definitley this was originally meant for Connery. Guess they just couldn't coax him out of retirement. Gutted.


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RE: Gun Barrel Barney.... - 27/10/2012 6:21:31 PM   
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I think it would have been absolutely awful if Connery had taken that role. Awful.

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RE: Bond James Bond - 27/10/2012 6:24:53 PM   
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Is it possible the role of Kincade played by Albert Finney might have been intended for Sean Connery? It would have fit in with the whole anniversary theme.


I thought this was pretty blatant. His first line is "Bond, James Bond." and then later, after dispatching a henchmen he quips, "Welcome to Scottland." Definitley this was originally meant for Connery. Guess they just couldn't coax him out of retirement. Gutted.




i'm quite chuffed they didnt, it would have cheapened the character. it worked very well the way it was.


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RE: Skyfall - 27/10/2012 6:25:24 PM   
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I get a strong wiff of patroniage. Now that Bond has literally met the Queenie the press look at Bond in a different, Elton John / untouchable light..he is royality. Hence the 5 star reviews. Combine this fact with the utter pretentiousness of this Skyfall mess - the lighting the acting....this was a total traversty of a film - a right royal cockup on a grand scale and to think the producers et al are all patting themselves on the back for a job well done...I sense...despite the obvious boxoffice hit it will be...that Skyfall will be the nail in the coffin for the francise. Don't believe me..well..some execs should start filming peoples reactions while watching this movie..bored to tears.

I speak as a fan..i was gutted watching the movie last night -i have high expetetations..and thats the problem...everyone going to see this has seen the fantastic reviews for 'Sam Medas new film'...but what they are going to get is..for Act 1 and Act 2 is a boring badly plotted thriller...certainly no action-packed specactular. I honestly had a chap snoring ( which drew bigger laughs than any of the 'gags' in this movie ) ...i had people walking out and I had someone behind me debating with his mate when it started and when in gods name it will be over...words to that effect!

Now..it wasnt all dark..there was some light...I mean the performances were excellent, loving Albert Finney, Mallory, Craig. Opening titles sequence was well up to scratch...but clearly all the money was spent on that!!! big major mistake!! ( i mean look at what Casino did.. a cheap opening sequence and then start the film proper and use the crane chase...more effective ).

I am puzzled by so many reviewers all saying that the 3rd part dragged/patchy...because it clearly wasnt..it totally upped its gear...it was a grand 3rd act...but it wasnt Bond movie..but it was a good..if nonesense bit of fun...thank God...cause boy o boy did we need it by then!! The trouble was...acts 1 and 2..NOTHING happened...but talking..talking...talking...a couple of very quick fistie cuffs and thats it..back to long introduction to a character an more talking......




Leaving out some of the nonsense written here, not about you not liking it, that's fair, the reasons you gave and the rubbish criticism which amounts to nothing of value like OH LOOK AT THE AUDIENCE REACTIONS (mine were mostly positive) or OMG NOTHING HAPPENED, which as far as criticisms goes, it mean absolutely nothing.

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This movie was 4 yrs in the planning...they had time for a cohernt script...the 3rd act is a total nightmare ( yes..it was enjoyable ) but it was a complete shambles...dont want to give spoilers..but prey tell me for the love of God how anyone would protect M by whisking her off to a abandoned house, no ammo..no backup and yet leaves 'breadcrumbs' so they can be traced....yeeeeeesh!!!!!! and then..Bond is...erm..REWARDED so to speak via Mallory..for what!!! for...erm..basically letting Silva get what he wanted - he won didnt he basically!!! ...and the bond girl ..what there was off her....equally terrible...after a 5 minute meeting she basically gives up her life for him....yes, i know, sleep with Bond and you die..but what a terrible script really..its an insult..and this gets 5 stars!!!!!!!


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A- Because it couldn't be traced and was outside the map unless somebody didn't notice it, Silve would take his time to actually find it, and they would have rigged the house, which would be hard to track, and were armed and ready for when he came and back-up could have attracted attention. He would also take them all himself with the weapons he thought were there. Silva was a genuis, the man escaped prison and managed to hunt her down IN A GOVERNMENT COURT, the only safe place was as far away as civilization as possible. It also offers a touching backstory between M and Bond and gives it extra meaning. Bond has done more outlandish things.
B- Silva got what he wanted with M's death (M was no angel), Bond was rewarded for getting the list back and killing the man who was a total threat for any operation depending on who is the highest bidder. Alive Silva was still a complete threat. The man was still responsible for many an agents death or the failure of many an operation.
C- Bond offered her protection from Silva hence the connection. He failed. It wasn't a great arc and extended things, but it's not exactly what you claimed.


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RE: not quite as amazing as you're hoping - 27/10/2012 6:40:16 PM   
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Well, you're not a mod so you don't get to tell people what people what they can and can not post. Also, this part of the forum is partly meant for posting reviews, most of which are well written.


It is simply my opinion.

I want debate and opinion as much as anyone, but it makes me laugh when someone writes a review as if it is going to appear in Empire (and it is not just on this thread).

But I suppose they are only about 15 right enough.


I haven't been involved but, sorry, that is an astoundingly arrogant comment.


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RE: Skyfall - 27/10/2012 6:45:25 PM   
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I can't understand the negative reactions this films is getting one here. I had my grievances with it but on the whole it's a perfectly good Bond film.

People are picking on plot holes as if the Bond films are renowned for having airtight plots, hate to say it lads but they're all full of holes. FRWL is the one "Classic Bond" I can think of that has the least plot holes, as it's easily the most down to earth and realistic plot.

But at the same time we have fans complaining that it's to realistic and stripped down and needs to be more silly with more gadgets.

I don't know . . .



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RE: Skyfall - 27/10/2012 6:48:15 PM   
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Just seen skyfall excellent film. Have one very minor gripe was pacing just little slow between the action. Otherwise it felt like fleming wrote a book and they followed it to the letter and had David lean directing hense its pace when they should have had hitchock. Fantastic beautiful looking movie someone deserves an Oscar.

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