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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 8/10/2012 2:25:45 PM   
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They're probably just rumours that started up because he wheeled bodies into the morgue and kept a wardrobe of his dead mothers clothes that he dry-cleaned every year. This was of course after he spent a few days with her after she died and was laid out in the house, a period he described as the 'time of his life'


Ah, The Duchess, I'd forgotten about her. Even without knowing (for definite) what we do now, that Louis Theroux documentary was one of the most amusingly creepy things I'd ever seen.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 8/10/2012 4:46:12 PM   
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They're probably just rumours that started up because he wheeled bodies into the morgue and kept a wardrobe of his dead mothers clothes that he dry-cleaned every year. This was of course after he spent a few days with her after she died and was laid out in the house, a period he described as the 'time of his life'


Ah, The Duchess, I'd forgotten about her. Even without knowing (for definite) what we do now, that Louis Theroux documentary was one of the most amusingly creepy things I'd ever seen.


Yeah I remember that! It immediately made me think of Norman Bates when I saw it.

This is all really nasty and makes me think that all of the charity work and so called good deeds he did while he was alive were all done as nothing more than a means to an end - i.e covering up his true evil nature. He was hiding in plain sight, and it worked! It's like he was some sort of creature from Supernatural! It's only a shame that Sam and Dean didn't actually chop him up and send him to hell the evil bastard! Allegedly.......

And what?.....Terry Wogan's in the IRA????

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 10/10/2012 5:02:57 PM   
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It just gets worse and worse. He apparently abused patients at Stoke Mandeville and the nurses knew and they just told the patients when he was coming to fake tiredness!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-19900559




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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 10/10/2012 7:18:03 PM   
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Jesus... I know we still have to be careful and remember they're still 'just allegations' but it really is starting to look seriously, seriously bad. I know there have been cases over the years where allegations have been false (Matthew Kelly being a famous one) I'd be stunned if there could really be this much smoke without any fire.

You know it's getting bad when Saville's family - initially outraged that the dear old man should be accused of such things - have had his grandiose headstone removed, demolished and chucked in landfill!

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 10/10/2012 11:29:36 PM   
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So, anyway...

I suspect this book may be out of print

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 12:22:19 PM   
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It gets even worse - he molested a brain damaged patient. Such a shame this fucker is dead and not here to face justice

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/savile-denied-child-abuse-2007-130300697.html

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 12:50:53 PM   
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I am getting slightly skeptical about the amount of stories which are emanating out of some of these papers and victims.
And what is sad is the fact without the ITV program these very allegations,right or wrong,would have stayed in the closet for here to eternity.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 12:54:14 PM   
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I am getting slightly skeptical about the amount of stories which are emanating out of some of these papers and victims.


How so?

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 1:02:16 PM   
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I am getting slightly skeptical about the amount of stories which are emanating out of some of these papers and victims.


How so?



Because you get the feeling that Jimmy Saville was acting these sick-twisted things 24 seven.
And 'if' he was what the f*ck were the police or investigators doing?,jack-sh*t by all accounts.
I would not put it past one or two of these stories being over-dramatized,mainly because I don't trust the Media.

And,rether you like it or not,every accused has the right to defend himself/herself,but J.S cant because he's dead.
But you can also look on the fact that these stories are coming out because he's dead because he cant defend himself,because if he did he possibly would have been let-off,dependent on the facts/evidence of these accusations.


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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 1:14:54 PM   
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I think there's maybe two things there.

There does seem to be an avalanche of people coming forward but the number of investigations isn't the same as the number of people. And those experienced in this area - and Rantzen has gone into this in a TV interview - is that this is exactly what happens. A dam opens and people get to tell their story. You're also forgetting that some of these stories go back to the 50s - in context, this isn't a lot. It's just a media focus.

As for 'defend himself', fuck him. Did you read the link to his own book above? He used what he was doing to suppress everything. You had sites like Digitalspy shutting down forums and removing masses of threads any time Saville was even mentioned. He was at Chequers, he met people. He was, as far as he was concerned, above the law. And the right to investigate any crime and provide answers doesn't end if a suspect dies normally, why should this?

Victims have a right to a voice - that the perpetrator isn't around anymore is irrelevant. If someone has been hurt or abused they at least deserve that much.


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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 1:28:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

I am getting slightly skeptical about the amount of stories which are emanating out of some of these papers and victims.


How so?



Because you get the feeling that Jimmy Saville was acting these sick-twisted things 24 seven.
And 'if' he was what the f*ck were the police or investigators doing?,jack-sh*t by all accounts.
I would not put it past one or two of these stories being over-dramatized,mainly because I don't trust the Media.

And,rether you like it or not,every accused has the right to defend himself/herself,but J.S cant because he's dead.
But you can also look on the fact that these stories are coming out because he's dead because he cant defend himself,because if he did he possibly would have been let-off,dependent on the facts/evidence of these accusations.




I think the sheer number of people from all walks of life "coming out" makes it pretty much impossible for at least some of the claims not to be true, and we are now FAR beyond giving him the benefit of the doubt, especially as HIS family (as Super Hans commented above) have gone from outright horror and denial to an admirable decision in the circumstances.

Yeah, okay, you always get the odd prick who makes false claims for "a laugh", but there are simply too many unrelated claims in this case, especially when you consider the latest "evidence" from both patients and staff at Stoke Mandeville.

As for what the police were doing - as elab said, Savile probably felt he was above the law and may have even been considered as such during the peak of his career. He DID have friends in high places and most of these alleged abuses happened during a time when such things were not discussed as much and a lot less understood - both the public and the press were a lot less informed and the police were, probably, less well equipped to deal with it, and so most of his victims were probably too scared to come forward or (in some cases I'm sure) simply too young to understand what was happening to them.

For every abuse that does get reported, there are several that don't for years and some that will never get reported. When a high profile celeb like Savile who, yes, had done lots for charity and good causes and was basically THE face of "looking after the country's children" (no euphemistic innuendo intended) in the 70s and 80s, you can imagine and understand why so many victims kept quiet for so long.



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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 1:33:00 PM   
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I feel very little sympathy on this - I've just seen an elderly women trying to describe something she saw in a hospital, her voice breaking with the memory. The whole thing is obscene. 

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 1:55:45 PM   
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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 2:02:30 PM   
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Well,you two told me


Heh.

Normally I would completely agree with you - someone mentioned Matthew Kelly earlier, whether you like him or not the poor guy suffered unnecessarily for a long time and it also looked like his career would not recover, even if he was completely innocent (also cf. Paul Reubens - wanking in a [adult] porn theatre aside, his child porn charges seemed to be provably unfounded and he was completely stitched up) - but there's just too much going on with Savile.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 2:06:51 PM   
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Well,you two told me


Heh.

Normally I would completely agree with you - someone mentioned Matthew Kelly earlier, whether you like him or not the poor guy suffered unnecessarily for a long time and it also looked like his career would not recover, even if he was completely innocent (also cf. Paul Reubens - wanking in a [adult] porn theatre aside, his child porn charges seemed to be provably unfounded and he was completely stitched up) - but there's just too much going on with Savile.


I also heard Freddie Star mentioned in these allegations,but thankfully he's denied them and he himself has previously said how he found J.Saville somewhat creepy/shady.

What would also play its part in my comments would be the fact I'm in a miserable mood today and somewhat cynical/skeptical.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 2:22:57 PM   
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Well,you two told me


Heh.

Normally I would completely agree with you - someone mentioned Matthew Kelly earlier, whether you like him or not the poor guy suffered unnecessarily for a long time and it also looked like his career would not recover, even if he was completely innocent (also cf. Paul Reubens - wanking in a [adult] porn theatre aside, his child porn charges seemed to be provably unfounded and he was completely stitched up) - but there's just too much going on with Savile.


I also heard Freddie Star mentioned in these allegations,but thankfully he's denied them and he himself has previously said how he found J.Saville somewhat creepy/shady.

What would also play its part in my comments would be the fact I'm in a miserable mood today and somewhat cynical/skeptical.


I do understand the incredulity, though, the notion that so much of this was apparently going on and people were so powerless to stop him, almost as if he was bloody royalty or something. It does bend the barrier of believability, but mainly due to frustration, the idea that he got away with it and was playing the country for fools, and went to his grave having been able to do whatever the fuck he seemingly wanted.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 4:47:52 PM   
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It gets even worse - he molested a brain damaged patient. Such a shame this fucker is dead and not here to face justice

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/savile-denied-child-abuse-2007-130300697.html


Such a twisted man and to think he was supposed to make kids dreams come true on his show Jim I`ll Fix It but in real life turned their lives into nightmares.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 5:07:58 PM   
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/savile-had-keys-broadmoor-113711849.html

Now they are saying he had keys to Broadmoor hospital and carried out his molestations in there as well. What the fuck is going on - it's like he was some kind of unstoppable super-paedo

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 5:22:26 PM   
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The ITV program did hint the abuse by Saville could be wide spread.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 5:26:10 PM   
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There seems to be a pattern of abusing those least likely to be believed.

He was part of some Tory commission into Broadmoor in the late 80s - I imagine he got very cosy with them then.


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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 5:27:54 PM   
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I wonder will there be allegations from before he got famous; did he do the charity work to get himself into a position of power so he could hide behind it in order to carry out the alleged acts?

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 9:22:40 PM   
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There seems to be a pattern of abusing those least likely to be believed.



Yeah, I think it was that section of the ITV documentary that was the convincing part. As with that gang in Rochdale recently, it would appear to be a technique that works all too well.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/10/2012 10:24:15 PM   
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It's unbelievable, but then again, that seems to be exactly how he wanted it and how he got away with it. He was clearly very intelligent, but the lengths he went to (if we assume that all of the charity work and the image he created for himself were all to get him access to his victims while making it so hard for him to even be accused) is nothing short of monstrous!!! Of course it should still be investigated, some of the accusations will be attention seekers, but the evidence is overwhelming and damning. The victims deserve to be heard, and lessons absolutely have to be learnt!

There was a long thread on here when he died full of praise for what he did, I'm pretty sure I said something positive about him in it, and I'm sickened by it. Have to agree with Johnson, dig the bastard up and hang him anyway!

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 12/10/2012 1:47:17 PM   
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/savile-had-keys-broadmoor-113711849.html

Now they are saying he had keys to Broadmoor hospital and carried out his molestations in there as well. What the fuck is going on - it's like he was some kind of unstoppable super-paedo


Savile's new legacy: inspring the phrase 'super-paedo', where describing one merely as a paedo seems woefully inadequate...

Spotted this article this morning through Twitter which highlighted to me another darkly comical impact of this terrible situation:

http://news.sky.com/story/996611/buyer-of-jimmy-saviles-rolls-royce-gutted

Oh, the plight of folks spending silly money on his possessions which are now decidedly less valuable...

"Its new owner, from Poole in Dorset, said he bought the vehicle over the telephone "on a whim", but now his plans to hire it out for weddings and children's parties are ruined."

"A lot of people spent a lot of money on that stuff, tracksuits and that, and they've got to burn them now because they're worth nothing."


Just two quotes which, I'm ashamed to say, raised a guilty chuckle with me on my commute this morning. Could there be a worse item to have blown silly money on than a nonce's tracksuit?

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 12/10/2012 1:53:06 PM   
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Has this Jerry Sadowitz bit been posted yet? From 1987... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMYK9hqG9jo.

Posting it as an 'interesting piece' rather than 'here is the evidence..'

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 12/10/2012 1:54:14 PM   
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I'm ashamed to say, raised a guilty chuckle with me


Which is how I just responded when I read Fluke's "unstoppable super-paedo" line.


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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 12/10/2012 4:03:30 PM   
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Im not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread already but why where alarm bells not ringing when that Louis Theroux documentary with Savile was aired in the year 2000. At the time i recall thinking Savile came across as a bit of a knob who had an over inflated opinion of himself who didnt seem to like women but know its like all the pieces of the jigsaw of that doc have fallen into place.
Savile came across as a controlling and intimidating figure with an extreme egotistical manner. A couple of times i recall Savile getting very annoyed with Theroux's line of questioning. I feel certain one of these questions hinted at things that are being revealed today. Just what did the makers of this documentary have in their research? Or was it based on rumour?


I need to watch this documentary again.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 12/10/2012 4:26:47 PM   
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I'm ashamed to say, raised a guilty chuckle with me


Which is how I just responded when I read Fluke's "unstoppable super-paedo" line.



Me too.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 12/10/2012 4:32:17 PM   
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I'm ashamed to say, raised a guilty chuckle with me


Which is how I just responded when I read Fluke's "unstoppable super-paedo" line.



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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 12/10/2012 4:35:37 PM   
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Im not sure if this has been mentioned in this thread already but why where alarm bells not ringing when that Louis Theroux documentary with Savile was aired in the year 2000. At the time i recall thinking Savile came across as a bit of a knob who had an over inflated opinion of himself who didnt seem to like women but know its like all the pieces of the jigsaw of that doc have fallen into place.
Savile came across as a controlling and intimidating figure with an extreme egotistical manner. A couple of times i recall Savile getting very annoyed with Theroux's line of questioning. I feel certain one of these questions hinted at things that are being revealed today. Just what did the makers of this documentary have in their research? Or was it based on rumour?




Because if "alarm bells rang" every time you thought someone was arrogant and hated women, unfortunatly you would spend quite alot of your time thinking people were peadophiles.

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