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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 1/10/2012 2:05:48 PM   
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I find it all incredibly sad actually. Being brought up on Jim'll Fix It as a kid, and defending his right to wear garish tracksuits and looking a bit noncey over the years (I may yet be proved wrong then) it's such a shame that this has come out. Many people will be saying "told you so", his placard will be ripped down from many a charity wall and that bloke who paid a few hundred quid for his Jim'll Fix It chair probably feels a bit dirty this morning.
I even wrote to him when I was 11 asking if I could swim with sharks. I have this image now of him playing with himself while looking at the photo I enclosed, jingle jangle.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 1/10/2012 6:27:40 PM   
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End of the day at this time nothing has been proven and these are allegations. There may be truth to it or there may not be only time will tell.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19788721

It appears he was questioned in 2007 but no actions were taken as there was insufficient evidence.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 1/10/2012 7:09:54 PM   
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Paul Gambaccini makes a very big claim (something that has been said in this very thread)- http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/paul-gambaccini-claims-sir-jimmy-savile-used-charity-work-to-prevent-sexual-abuse-of-schoolchildren-being-exposed-8191761.html

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 1/10/2012 7:25:52 PM   
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I find it all incredibly sad actually. Being brought up on Jim'll Fix It as a kid, and defending his right to wear garish tracksuits and looking a bit noncey over the years (I may yet be proved wrong then) it's such a shame that this has come out. Many people will be saying "told you so", his placard will be ripped down from many a charity wall and that bloke who paid a few hundred quid for his Jim'll Fix It chair probably feels a bit dirty this morning.
I even wrote to him when I was 11 asking if I could swim with sharks. I have this image now of him playing with himself while looking at the photo I enclosed, jingle jangle.

I know we shouldn't laugh but that there was damn funny.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 1/10/2012 7:38:33 PM   
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What I find really sad about this, is that it isn't shocking. Not because I always thought there was something going on- not at all - but because it somehow seems inevitable.It's tragic to think that I become so jaded that a much admired figure from my childhood being indicted in this way is just another grotty news story. I ought to be shocked, appalled, outraged  but I'm just - not. Is the world really so fucked up that this means nothing? Holy shit that's depressing

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 1/10/2012 9:07:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LEEJGM


quote:

ORIGINAL: jonson

I find it all incredibly sad actually. Being brought up on Jim'll Fix It as a kid, and defending his right to wear garish tracksuits and looking a bit noncey over the years (I may yet be proved wrong then) it's such a shame that this has come out. Many people will be saying "told you so", his placard will be ripped down from many a charity wall and that bloke who paid a few hundred quid for his Jim'll Fix It chair probably feels a bit dirty this morning.
I even wrote to him when I was 11 asking if I could swim with sharks. I have this image now of him playing with himself while looking at the photo I enclosed, jingle jangle.

I know we shouldn't laugh but that there was damn funny.


It was the comment about the chair which I'm ashamed to say made me chuckle...

In all seriousness though, serious allegations there and that Independent article is pretty damning if true. We shall see I suppose.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 1/10/2012 9:26:10 PM   
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/sir-jimmy-saville-defended-paedophile-pop-star-gary-glitter-saying-he-did-nothing-wrong-and-calling-child-porn-just-dodgy-films-8192715.html

All rather unsavoury.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 1/10/2012 9:28:31 PM   
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“On another occasion, and this cuts to the chase of the whole matter, he was called and he said 'well you could run that story, but if you do there goes the funds that come in to Stoke Mandeville - do you want to be responsible for the drying up of the charity donations'. And they backed down.”

Jim Fix'd it for himself the dirty bastard!

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 1/10/2012 9:34:39 PM   
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wow that was fast...http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jim-Fucked-It-For-T-Shirt/dp/B005HDIO3U

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 1/10/2012 9:37:39 PM   
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"We all blocked our ears to the gossip" says Childline founder Esther Rantzen



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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 1/10/2012 10:12:50 PM   
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“On another occasion, and this cuts to the chase of the whole matter, he was called and he said 'well you could run that story, but if you do there goes the funds that come in to Stoke Mandeville - do you want to be responsible for the drying up of the charity donations'. And they backed down.”



That actually made me feel sick. As someone with a young daughter I find it terrifying that not only could someone (allegedly) not only threaten to stop money to Hospital but also that these folk could bottle showing the world an (alleged) child rapist.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 1/10/2012 11:15:01 PM   
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"We all blocked our ears to the gossip" says Childline founder Esther Rantzen




I think that just goes to prove the smothering presence Saville had at the BBC; it doesn't in any way negate the work of Childline or the respect Rantzen deserves for founding the thing.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 2/10/2012 12:07:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NadaPlissken


quote:

ORIGINAL: UTB

"We all blocked our ears to the gossip" says Childline founder Esther Rantzen




I think that just goes to prove the smothering presence Saville had at the BBC; it doesn't in any way negate the work of Childline or the respect Rantzen deserves for founding the thing.


Indeed - and I'd say there's a difference between 'gossip' and 'allegations'. Unless Rantzen is saying there was a point in her time at the BBC where she should have had matters looked into, and didn't. Which I don't think she is.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 2/10/2012 6:56:54 AM   
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This is my favourite bit of this story.

quote:


''I just think it's very, very sad you can say these things after someone's died and the law says you can't defend yourself when you're dead.'


Yes. The law prevents you from defending yourself. Not, maybe, the fact you are dead.

Also, frankly, I'm amazed the discussion in this thread continued for so long after Godwin's had been invoked. That's meant to end the argument, y'all.


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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 2/10/2012 8:04:17 AM   
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quote:

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Also, frankly, I'm amazed the discussion in this thread continued for so long after Godwin's had been invoked. That's meant to end the argument, y'all.



Oh don't be such a Nazi, it's not even got going yet.

Personally I think they should dig him up and hang the bastard.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 2/10/2012 9:38:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

This is my favourite bit of this story.

quote:


''I just think it's very, very sad you can say these things after someone's died and the law says you can't defend yourself when you're dead.'


Yes. The law prevents you from defending yourself. Not, maybe, the fact you are dead.

Also, frankly, I'm amazed the discussion in this thread continued for so long after Godwin's had been invoked. That's meant to end the argument, y'all.



I guess we were all in awe of Jon's reverse Godwins


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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 2/10/2012 10:17:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jonson


quote:

ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

Also, frankly, I'm amazed the discussion in this thread continued for so long after Godwin's had been invoked. That's meant to end the argument, y'all.



Oh don't be such a Nazi, it's not even got going yet.

Personally I think they should dig him up and hang the bastard.


Jon wants to dig him up and shake his skeletal hand first.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 2/10/2012 10:27:25 AM   
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They should dig him and make a zombie movie with him. Jim'll Eat Yer!

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 2/10/2012 2:22:09 PM   
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It looks like the Jersey police have acknowledged that a claim was made to them about Saville as well - the Jersey home is the one that Saville allegedly had the Super Injunction over when the Sun was going to run pictures of him there (he'd previously claimed he'd never been there). 

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 2/10/2012 4:10:00 PM   
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right i'm back

*settles down with pop corn*

what'd i miss, last i'd read some dickhead was denying the holocaust and Hitler had done a fun run...

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 2/10/2012 4:29:52 PM   
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It looks like the Jersey police have acknowledged that a claim was made to them about Saville as well - the Jersey home is the one that Saville allegedly had the Super Injunction over when the Sun was going to run pictures of him there (he'd previously claimed he'd never been there). 


The same Jersey care home where all the child abuse happened? And Jimmy went there. And didn't want people to know about it. I think he's innocent.


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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 2/10/2012 8:15:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jonson


quote:

ORIGINAL: homersimpson_esq

Also, frankly, I'm amazed the discussion in this thread continued for so long after Godwin's had been invoked. That's meant to end the argument, y'all.



Oh don't be such a Nazi, it's not even got going yet.

Personally I think they should dig him up and hang the bastard.


Not until after they've ripped off what's left of his genitalia, made him swallow razor blades and done to him what he (allegedly) did to those girls.

All ideas inspired by true life examples from Facebook after somebody or other was done for rape....


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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 2/10/2012 8:46:46 PM   
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19801768

In a way I had a similiar experience and suffered abuse in my workplace. I had a new duty manager who was new, young and lacked experience. Turned out this piece of shit behave in a same manner as a psychopath and I suffered a mental breakdown from tolerating his abuse. A common outcome when being targetted by one. I didn't know what was going on or otherwise I'm pretty sure I would hurt it pretty bad. Now knowing the full truth I would like to comfront it and issue some payback.
However my experience higlight the fact while some of us where aware this shit head should of been sacked, other people got along with him despite he ran his section into the ground. Luckily he left for another company and constantly being promoted while in my experience was shit and very counter productive. I was left in a mental wreck and only now I can say I fully recovered.

A video of what I went through

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGrFAn3wU7c

And other people experiences

http://careereq.com/articles/emotional-intelligence/workplace-psychopaths-how-to-deal-with-them/

You would think people would be able to spot a dangerous person in the workplace but many don't. This is the problem and same thing happened in the BBC with Jimmy Saville. While it's unlikely Jimmy saville is a psychopath but again the working environment doesn't pay enough attention to each other.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 2/10/2012 9:18:26 PM   
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This is a bit off-topic but the workplace psychopath is a real phenomenon, I've at least once come across someone who fits the bill. One problem is they can pressurise people to squeeze every last drop of blood out of them + rule with an iron fist so senior management actually like them. I would say they are rare in my experience but looking at how corporations behave for example there simply must be psychopaths operating in the business world, I'm sure the City has it's fair share as well.


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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 2/10/2012 9:58:21 PM   
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This is a bit off-topic but the workplace psychopath is a real phenomenon, I've at least once come across someone who fits the bill. One problem is they can pressurise people to squeeze every last drop of blood out of them + rule with an iron fist so senior management actually like them. I would say they are rare in my experience but looking at how corporations behave for example there simply must be psychopaths operating in the business world, I'm sure the City has it's fair share as well.





Exactly.

A psychopath doesn't have a personality(person). They mimic the behaviours going around them and lack the brain function which does empathy. They don't know the difference between right or wrong and abuse people in the same way they been abuse. They single out people to target while in the workplace are super charming towards their surperiours. They are also very lazy and take credit for other people work. If those c*nts can easily climb the promotion ladder, it make you think what else is being missed.
This why I raised my experience which such a hollow man. If many workers were unaware of him, how are the BBC going to discover Saville abuse if he is playing them for fools.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 2/10/2012 10:30:26 PM   
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Any chance of Jimmy's Knighthood being stripped?

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 3/10/2012 8:00:22 AM   
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Any chance of Jimmy's Knighthood being stripped?


Now you're just getting silly. This is using his position as BBC legend and national treasure status to get away with raping and abusing young girls he's accused of here, not working for Royal Bank of Scotland...

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 3/10/2012 1:28:21 PM   
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Any chance of Jimmy's Knighthood being stripped?


I don't think so, someone explained it to me as being an honour that was only bestowed whilst alive, it's wasn't a hereditary knighthood, so it died with him. Made sense to me.

So, it was his threats about the charity money that stopped any exposes on him? The part of it I did struggle to get my head around was that Savile was so powerful people were scared to accuse him......possibly in the 70's and 80's, but surely not in the 90's and 00's? And certainly not after the convictions of Gary Glitter and Jonathon King.

The papers have certainly done hatchet jobs on crooked charity workers before - was it just the amount of money involved with Savile? Really pisses me off that certain people may have put their own careers and (now tainted) money before the safeguarding and welfare of children.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 3/10/2012 1:47:26 PM   
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Bizarre thought I know, but I wonder how the people who work for Stoke Manderville etc feel that their charities were allegedly used as leverage to stop a paedophile being exposed?

I've heard the rumours since I first started working in the media (about 13 years ago) so wasn't massively surprised to hear them in the press.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 3/10/2012 2:03:50 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Fluke Skywalker

This is a bit off-topic but the workplace psychopath is a real phenomenon, I've at least once come across someone who fits the bill. One problem is they can pressurise people to squeeze every last drop of blood out of them + rule with an iron fist so senior management actually like them. I would say they are rare in my experience but looking at how corporations behave for example there simply must be psychopaths operating in the business world, I'm sure the City has it's fair share as well.





Exactly.

A psychopath doesn't have a personality(person). They mimic the behaviours going around them and lack the brain function which does empathy. They don't know the difference between right or wrong and abuse people in the same way they been abuse. They single out people to target while in the workplace are super charming towards their surperiours. They are also very lazy and take credit for other people work. If those c*nts can easily climb the promotion ladder, it make you think what else is being missed.
This why I raised my experience which such a hollow man. If many workers were unaware of him, how are the BBC going to discover Saville abuse if he is playing them for fools.


I think one way of fucking with them would be to set up an email account in say an internet cafe to be safe, then list what they've done in great detail (making sure of course they can't work out it's you!) and then email everyone in the company about it.

Of course not everyone's going to believe it but it will certainly put people on edge and possibly force them to reign in their behaviour.

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