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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 10/1/2013 12:59:30 AM   
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Kinski was already a horrible human being, this is just another level of being a really horrible human being.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 10/1/2013 8:01:49 AM   
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Fucking hell.

Wonder what the Kinski-loving banned forumite we all knew and argued with would have made of that...

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 10/1/2013 7:09:09 PM   
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Fucking hell.

Wonder what the Kinski-loving banned forumite we all knew and argued with would have made of that...


Conspiracy, you say?

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 10/1/2013 7:16:56 PM   
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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/1/2013 12:47:08 PM   
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Of, for fuck's sake...

I know it's horrible and everything (and I'm sure my memory serves that in Kinski's autobiography he pretty much openly admits to having a bit of a thing for Nastassja, even if he didn't act on it), but surely I can still enjoy my Herzog/Kinski films, can't I? ...can't I?!?!?!? I mean, I'm sure there's loads of people out there still listening to Gary Glitter...

Guess I'll have to watch them with the curtains drawn and not say anything in public about how much I love Fitzcarraldo.

Seriously, though, this is the first time something like this has happened to one of my own cultural heroes. So what IS the right and proper thing for me to do about it???

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/1/2013 12:51:18 PM   
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It depends if you're able to personally seperate the person from the art.

I'm able to do so and can still enjoy Polanski films, for example. I think it's fine to do so, though understand those who can't.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/1/2013 1:32:36 PM   
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It depends if you're able to personally seperate the person from the art.

I'm able to do so and can still enjoy Polanski films, for example. I think it's fine to do so, though understand those who can't.


Yeah, can't argue with this.

I'm the opposite, I can't seperate the art from the person so tend to give Polanski's film the widest berth possible. I'm conflicted with Chinatown though because that's the only Polanski film I'd seen before I found out about his child raping tendencies and it was/is a film I like very much so my conviction probably isn't as strong as I'd like. I dunno, maybe the reason I give his films a wide berth is because I'm afraid I'd really enjoy them which would put me in a bit of a personal moral conundrum.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/1/2013 1:58:08 PM   
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I'm afraid I'd really enjoy them which would put me in a bit of a personal moral conundrum.


Which is exactly the problem I have now.

Hmm, I will have to think on it.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/1/2013 2:11:34 PM   
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I suppose I haven't been forced to confront the notion that someone whose art I hold very, very dearly is a nonce, however, which might make my response a little trickier.

God forbid Jarvis is ever outed...

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/1/2013 3:03:21 PM   
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Cunt of a man, but that doesn't impact on his abilities as an actor. Enjoying someone's art isn't the same as giving them a free pass on anything they may have done in the real world.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 11/1/2013 6:29:28 PM   
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It depends if you're able to personally seperate the person from the art.

I'm able to do so and can still enjoy Polanski films, for example. I think it's fine to do so, though understand those who can't.


Yeah, can't argue with this.

I'm the opposite, I can't separate the art from the person so tend to give Polanski's film the widest berth possible. I'm conflicted with Chinatown though because that's the only Polanski film I'd seen before I found out about his child raping tendencies and it was/is a film I like very much so my conviction probably isn't as strong as I'd like. I dunno, maybe the reason I give his films a wide berth is because I'm afraid I'd really enjoy them which would put me in a bit of a personal moral conundrum.



I am the same. I will not watch Polanski films as a moral matter. I enjoyed Chinatown but cannot bring myself to watch it again as I do not want to feel I am in anyway supporting such an awful human being. I can understand that people can separate it but at the same time I am in some ways disappointed in the actors who have worked with him, I do not want to be just end up feeling that way.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 20/1/2013 2:32:14 PM   
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This is pretty funny:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265343/BBC-apologises-episode-childrens-The-Tweenies-features-character-dressed-child-sex-abuser-Jimmy-Savile.html

Apologies for linking the Mail but the hysteria is just so absurd.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 20/1/2013 2:39:25 PM   
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This is pretty funny:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265343/BBC-apologises-episode-childrens-The-Tweenies-features-character-dressed-child-sex-abuser-Jimmy-Savile.html

Apologies for linking the Mail but the hysteria is just so absurd.


Beat me to it - I just read about this on the BBC site! Unintentionally fucking hilarious goof from the beeb.

I guess an episode of The Tweenies from 11-12 years ago was easy to forget about in the great Savile memory whitewash, but I bet they won't be showing that one again!

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 20/1/2013 2:39:27 PM   
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21108337

There's a BBC link to avoid going the Mail website hits.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 20/1/2013 3:03:39 PM   
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There was an episode of Eggheads about a month ago when they were chatting to one of the contestants, who merrily revealed that he'd been on Jim'll Fix It as a child, and for a good couple of minutes they were happily talking about his experiences on the show.

So, yeah, sometimes things slip through the net.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 20/1/2013 4:33:58 PM   
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There is an awful lot of stuff out there which he had some connection to and to be honest I do not want it erased from history as if it never existed. It is best to keep it with context.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 20/1/2013 5:11:01 PM   
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Y'know, I'm beginning to think that the Mail has a problem with the BBC.

Just a hunch, though.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 20/1/2013 5:15:10 PM   
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I recently found out my stepsister and a couple of her friends met Savile when they were young, and sat on his knee for a photo. Apparently the revelations actually freaked them out a little bit.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 15/2/2013 12:19:58 AM   
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Oh crumbs, now Kevin Webster off of Coronation Street has been charged with child sex offences.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 13/3/2013 2:39:43 PM   
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Dave Lee Travis.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21772616

Christ, why don't they just arrest anyone who ever worked for the BBC?

Wait, hang-on, he was arrested last year too? All a bit of a blur this.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 14/3/2013 1:01:01 PM   
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Worth reiterating that whatever the exact nature of DLT's crime(s) turns out to be, several people other than DLT himself have gone on record to say that children were not involved.

All reports so far seem to suggest that this case is one of "general" sexual harrassment/abuse of, presumably, an adult female(s), and is merely loosely related to the Saville case in the widest terms of "other questionable sex naughtiness that went on in the BBC in the 70s and 80s".

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 19/4/2013 8:36:44 AM   
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Story has been doing the rounds now for weeks, but they have named Rolf Harris today as being under investigation.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22212131



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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 19/4/2013 8:41:01 AM   
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Story has been doing the rounds now for weeks, but they have named Rolf Harris today as being under investigation.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22212131




No fucking way, I refuse to believe that.
I hope not, I really do. God it sounds awful when you dont want the TV icons you love to be a part of it all. Surely Rolf is one step too far.
That and the fact I bought a Rolf painting about 3 years ago, it'll be worth fuck all after this

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 19/4/2013 8:46:24 AM   
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The Metropolitan Police did not name Mr Harris after he was first questioned or following his arrest and have still not formally identified him. He is described by them as Yewtree 5.


So not yet officially named him but the name has leaked. I think this one is probably one of the biggest surprises as a suspect (and that is all he is at the moment as are pretty much all of those named as none have been convicted). If a conviction does take place I think this one will probably be one of the hardest hitting.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 19/4/2013 8:50:19 AM   
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I read an article siting the questioning of an 84yo Australian entertainer being questioned at least a month ago and assumed Rolf, but never heard anything more so assumed it was tenuous, but if they have finally gone public I imagine that they must feel there's something worth taking further. I must admit to feeling quite sad about this one, funny how others just don't muster the same reaction. Though as with all the others, innocent until proven otherwise.

Edit, just seen above post. I imagine though, very little gets leaked that the powers that be don't want out there.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 19/4/2013 9:08:24 AM   
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That and the fact I bought a Rolf painting about 3 years ago, it'll be worth fuck all after this


Look at what Roman Polanski did (absolutely awful if you read the transcripts) and he still gets big names falling over themselves to work with him. Personally I refuse to watch any of his films since I found out what a vile individual he is which is a shame as some of his older stuff is quite good but morally I cannot justify it and it feels like supporting him. So essentially art and the artist are often separate in peoples minds. Also as said there is yet to be a conviction for any alleged crime.


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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 19/4/2013 9:22:57 AM   
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That and the fact I bought a Rolf painting about 3 years ago, it'll be worth fuck all after this


Look at what Roman Polanski did (absolutely awful if you read the transcripts) and he still gets big names falling over themselves to work with him. Personally I refuse to watch any of his films since I found out what a vile individual he is which is a shame as some of his older stuff is quite good but morally I cannot justify it and it feels like supporting him. So essentially art and the artist are often separate in peoples minds. Also as said there is yet to be a conviction for any alleged crime.



Oh yeah, actually, I'll rephrase that, I'm nto bothered if it is worth fuck all, I'd rather not have it hanging on a wall if he has indeed been noncing.
A lad in the office actually just said he met him when he was at Uni, Rolf was doing the union tours - singing etc - and he said he was a right letch with the young girls at the bar at the end, not that any of them were underage, but still he had a reputation as being a bit of a ladies man, despite being 70 at the time, and probably incapable of getting his digeridoo up.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 19/4/2013 10:32:11 AM   
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It kills me. Apparently Rolf is vile and sick despite not being found guilty of anything. Don't get me started on 'inspirational' posters.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 19/4/2013 11:50:13 AM   
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I said weeks ago this was the reason why they should stop naming names in this - at least until they've gotten some actual results to suggest the accusations are valid. The name was leaked back when he was first interviewed, and a bit more widely after the arrest - a bit under the radar, and then withdrawn. But, apparently, the Sun decided today it wanted the kudos for telling everyone and put it up on their website. The Scum are well-named.

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RE: Allegations of Jimmy Saville - 19/4/2013 12:00:47 PM   
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Facebook.

It kills me. Apparently Rolf is vile and sick despite not being found guilty of anything. Don't get me started on 'inspirational' posters.


I was searching through Twitter and a lot of people are already convinced of his guilt.

Personally speaking I think you should undergo a moron test before you're allowed to join an social media website.

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