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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 30/9/2012 1:46:08 AM

steffols

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I imagine this is going to throw up plenty of background noise now that they have been found and court proceedings start. I don't mean to be cynical but we've learnt a bit more about Megan's homelife this week and it is not exactly the perception of comfortable. It took over 48 hours to locate her genetic father despite his daughter's face being slapped all over every national newspaper and television station for nearly two days, she has her stepfather's name but according to several news outlets he doesn't even live in the family home and her relationship with her mother is one that has been reportedly going downhill for some time.

And all of that has anything to do with the story why?

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 30/9/2012 2:45:42 AM

Goodfella

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ORIGINAL: Goodfella

I imagine this is going to throw up plenty of background noise now that they have been found and court proceedings start. I don't mean to be cynical but we've learnt a bit more about Megan's homelife this week and it is not exactly the perception of comfortable. It took over 48 hours to locate her genetic father despite his daughter's face being slapped all over every national newspaper and television station for nearly two days, she has her stepfather's name but according to several news outlets he doesn't even live in the family home and her relationship with her mother is one that has been reportedly going downhill for some time.

And all of that has anything to do with the story why?

It has plenty to do with the story. There's going to be a lot of speculation and intrigue over the coming months as to why these two eloped together, on both sides of the fence, same as there is with the majority of these cases. Take how much has already been "revealed" this week, and I say that as loosely as possible, for obvious reasons.

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 30/9/2012 10:14:28 AM

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But that just sounds like promulgating some pretty nasty gossip that's nobodys' business, no doubt indulged in by certain types of media outlets who realise they have to back off now because the girl is 15 and they can't do some press freedom shit to try and get access to her.

This is not part of the story, it's just unacceptable press intrusion into a family's life. The only part of the story should now be the prosecution of the teacher but, sadly, I doubt it - people who get off on the kind of detail above will no doubt start one of those count-down clocks till they can start harassing the kid when she turns 16.

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 30/9/2012 10:22:57 AM

steffols

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ORIGINAL: Goodfella

quote:

ORIGINAL: steffols

quote:

ORIGINAL: Goodfella

I imagine this is going to throw up plenty of background noise now that they have been found and court proceedings start. I don't mean to be cynical but we've learnt a bit more about Megan's homelife this week and it is not exactly the perception of comfortable. It took over 48 hours to locate her genetic father despite his daughter's face being slapped all over every national newspaper and television station for nearly two days, she has her stepfather's name but according to several news outlets he doesn't even live in the family home and her relationship with her mother is one that has been reportedly going downhill for some time.

And all of that has anything to do with the story why?

It has plenty to do with the story. There's going to be a lot of speculation and intrigue over the coming months as to why these two eloped together, on both sides of the fence, same as there is with the majority of these cases. Take how much has already been "revealed" this week, and I say that as loosely as possible, for obvious reasons.

The only thing we need to know about this story is that she felt like she had to run away and her teacher gave her that opportunity - ruining his life in process. I've been following this story on the BBC news website all week and knew nothing about the above quoted until I read it in your post. Which proves to me that it isn't an important part of anything. As Elab says, its nasty gossip being pedalled by the redtops to keep the story rolling.

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 30/9/2012 10:55:45 AM

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Yeah, Megan's home life (or presumptions about it) are utterly irrelevant. She's not the focus of police attention, the teacher is. We already know everything that's relevant about her - she's a 15 year old kid who became infatuated with a teacher. That's so common as to be a cliche, the difference here is that the teacher in question was weak enough to reciprocate and whisk her away to another country. If they feel they have to go around manufacturing and hinting at conclusions about motivations from people's backgrounds, perhaps they would be better advised to focus on Forrest.

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 30/9/2012 11:28:44 AM

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The sad thing is that the problems this child is going to experience are only just beginning and I hope the press has the decency to pull back from the whole thing now. There is every possibility this relationship may resume when she is 18 as has occurred in other such improper relationships and if it does at least she shall be in a beter place to make the decision. Hoopefully at some point she will see this is for her good as it is unlikley that she recognises that at this time.

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 12/3/2013 11:34:15 PM

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The teacher has gone to jail.

Is there any evidence Megan was harmed? If not how can they justify sending him to jail? 15 year old's aren't children, they are young adults who want to have sex. The age of consent is 15 in France and Sweden, there is nothing special about the number 16. Ages of consent are arbitrary. The irony is if she was a year older she could attend an orgy and no one would care because it would all be legal...

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 12/3/2013 11:42:58 PM

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If not how can they justify sending him to jail?

Because he knowingly broke the law. It's not complicated.

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 13/3/2013 12:00:32 AM

DancingClown

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The teacher has gone to jail.

Is there any evidence Megan was harmed? If not how can they justify sending him to jail? 15 year old's aren't children, they are young adults who want to have sex. The age of consent is 15 in France and Sweden, there is nothing special about the number 16. Ages of consent are arbitrary. The irony is if she was a year older she could attend an orgy and no one would care because it would all be legal...

A few things. Yes, 15 year-olds aren't children, but neither are they adults. Statutory rape is one thing, but there's also the fact that he absconded with her. Being the adult he bears full responsibility for the situation and should take his punishment. He knew what he was doing was wrong.

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 13/3/2013 12:04:01 AM

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It's fair comment on the post - but could we for once avoid auditing the poster please?

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 13/3/2013 12:08:38 AM

DancingClown

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What do you mean by "auditing the poster"?

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 13/3/2013 12:10:55 AM

elab49

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I mean checking when they joined and suggesting they're creepy - I didn't mean the comment to be opaque in any way.

It might help to remember that there are 10s of 1000s of IDs out there that might only have used the site for eg competitions without ever popping into the forum before.

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 13/3/2013 12:14:30 AM

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Okay, fair enough. But the comment was a bit creepy in itself.

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 13/3/2013 12:17:06 AM

elab49

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No issue with the posts as fair comment, and I agree completely with yours. How far do you know down the ages once you start? 15yos OK now - but, you know, 14yos pretty much the same etc etc

Irrespective of anything else, he was the adult, it was his responsibility as the adult and he broke the law. And ran away to hide, therefore pretty clearly knowingly.

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 13/3/2013 12:41:00 AM

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Where's the report of the outcome of the case? Has he been convicted or is this still on remand?

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 13/3/2013 6:59:25 AM

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I actually can't find anything about this in the news anywhere, the last article I saw dates back to January, so why this has been brought up now I'm not quite sure. As far as I knew he was still awaiting trial.

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 13/3/2013 9:36:04 AM

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That's what I found when I had a look as well. I'd assumed from the post above that it must have gone to trial.

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 15/3/2013 11:59:42 AM

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Yeah, still in Custody awaiting trial in the summer.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9827463/Teacher-Jeremy-Forrest-pleads-not-guilty-to-abduction.html

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 15/3/2013 3:53:35 PM

Goodfella

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Where's the report of the outcome of the case? Has he been convicted or is this still on remand?

It's all gone very quiet hasn't it? For several weeks it was arguably one of the biggest news stories of the previous year (and it's got some serious competition there!) but since he was returned to the UK and charged we've heard sod all, and I'm sure it's not for lack of trying on behalf of the red-top tabloids, this is just the kind of 'sexy, dangerous' story they love! Maybe now the manhunt is over and the intellectual stuff is actually about to start, they've all got bored with it!

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Yeah, still in Custody awaiting trial in the summer.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9827463/Teacher-Jeremy-Forrest-pleads-not-guilty-to-abduction.html

Not a lot in that report is there, and the whole 'child can't be named for legal reasons' bit did make me chuckle a tad, I realize they have to go through the motions, but that feels a little pointless at this stage.

I'll be intrigued to see how they work an abduction case against him, there is a substantial variety to how the CPS can prosecute under the title of child abduction, but given the circumstances it will be a good discussion point when this trial gets underway in the summer.

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 15/3/2013 6:16:54 PM

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I'm not sure that is the case actually - didn't the permission to name the girl get removed once she was safe back and now it's back to the normal protections for a case involving someone underage? I seem to recall something about restrictions going back into place.

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RE: Megan Stammers and her teacher still missing! - 15/3/2013 6:20:59 PM

Goodfella

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I'm not sure that is the case actually - didn't the permission to name the girl get removed once she was safe back and now it's back to the normal protections for a case involving someone underage? I seem to recall something about restrictions going back into place.

Yeah that is most likely the reason, I just meant in more of a light-hearted manner, there's no need for guesswork as to who the said girl is, although that might be why the media have had little to no access to her, there were a few snaps of her after she'd returned to the UK but absolutely nothing since and I wouldn't put it past the red-top press for trying.

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