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RE: DREDD - 15/10/2012 11:28:56 AM   
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Dredd made $7 million dollars at the UK box office alone (i), and it's been released in most of the major markets already - Box Office Mojo is just slow to update.

$72 million is the total budget, including marketing. The production budget was $45 million, but it came in under that figure.Since you trust Mojo so much, you'll see it lists $50 million as the production budget; a rough rule of thumb is that the marketing budget is usually around the same as the production budget. That $72 million total is the amount Dredd has to earn back, and that's why most sites use that figure. I thought you would have welcomed that kind of bad news, Scott.


You're assuming the Box Office Mojo site is inaccurate. It may not be inaccurate. I'm sure Box Office Mojo would dispute Box Office.com's stats. I've not read any other sites that mention the film having a total budget of 72 million dollars. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying one site has the 72 million dollars number. My own opinion - and I have no concrete evidence to back me up - is the overall budget is considerably less than 72 million dollars. If the total budget were around that figure I'm sure the scope of the film would be a tad bigger. Even the most ardent fan of Dredd 3D would accept its small scale so it's extremely likely the overall budget is less than $72 mill (taking into account some of that amount would be for marketing).





Box Office tends to always be ahead of Mojo with international box office. Mojo eventually catches up.

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RE: DREDD - 15/10/2012 11:43:20 AM   
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 If 72 million truly is the budget+makreting, than Dredd might have had the most pitiful marketing I've seen recently.

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RE: DREDD - 15/10/2012 12:34:23 PM   
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 As I've said before........who gives a flying fuck about budget and box office receipts?
blah.....blah.....blah........

As a movie FAN, I go to the movies to be entertained and Dredd did that in abundance !
A damn sight better sci fi movie then that pretentious utter bollox that is Prometheus.


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RE: DREDD - 15/10/2012 12:41:20 PM   
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 I was really entertained by both. YAY me.

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RE: DREDD - 15/10/2012 12:44:53 PM   
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RE: DREDD - 15/10/2012 1:58:56 PM   
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If 72 million truly is the budget+makreting, than Dredd might have had the most pitiful marketing I've seen recently.


I'm not sure we'll ever know if that's the right figure. Seems a bit too high and contradicts Alex Garland's 50 million dollars US box office target. I dunno, if the 72 mill figure is accurate, wouldn't the film need to take around 130 - 140 million dollars to make profit?!!!! If the 30 million pre-sales figure is accurate then reduce the 140 to 110 million dollars. That's still a whopping amount of money to make from the box office. 23 - 30 million so far (depending what source you read) and it needs to make at least 100 - 110 million to be profitable? The film will never make profit. Dredd 3D will need to make 70 million from DVD/Blu-ray sales! I don't think that's going to happen.

The Internet Movie Database has the budget at 50 million dollars - the same figure as Box Office Mojo.

It would be interesting to hear or read what the producers think about the box office. Perhaps some brave soul will interview Alex Garland or Allon Reich and get their thoughts on why the film failed to attract a large enough audience. I can't imagine the producers will speak out but you never know.



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RE: DREDD - 15/10/2012 8:59:09 PM   
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 Mods can we PLEASE ban manwithplan from this thread at least? For fucks sake!

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RE: DREDD - 17/10/2012 10:59:56 PM   
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Let's get this thread back on track!



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RE: DREDD - 17/10/2012 11:13:12 PM   
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 My extras wish list for Dredd blu ray.

Two audio commentaries: One by Alex Garland,Pete Travis, and Karl Urban.Second by other cast and crew.

Hour long making of documentary.

Deleted scenes.

Motion prequel comic of Ma Mas backstory.

Screen tests.

Trailers and tv spots.

Photo and art gallery.

Oh and NO 3D VERSION!

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RE: DREDD - 19/10/2012 9:17:59 PM   
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My extras wish list for Dredd blu ray.

Two audio commentaries: One by Alex Garland,Pete Travis, and Karl Urban.Second by other cast and crew.

Hour long making of documentary.

Deleted scenes.

Motion prequel comic of Ma Mas backstory.

Screen tests.

Trailers and tv spots.

Photo and art gallery.

Oh and NO 3D VERSION!


I want a special lenticular cover (which might actually happen!) and a collectors comic. The Ma-Ma prologue in the Megazine recently would've been brilliant as an extra for the DVD/ blu-ray methinks.

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RE: DREDD - 20/10/2012 10:18:19 AM   
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Well this is bullshit! I asked for Dredd on Blu-Ray for Christmas, convinced it would be released in time for then but today I get an email from amazon, announcing the release date as 14th January? what possible reason could they have for releasing it just after the Christmas buying period?

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RE: DREDD - 20/10/2012 10:55:05 AM   
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Well this is bullshit! I asked for Dredd on Blu-Ray for Christmas, convinced it would be released in time for then but today I get an email from amazon, announcing the release date as 14th January? what possible reason could they have for releasing it just after the Christmas buying period?


Another dumb marketing move.

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RE: DREDD - 20/10/2012 12:04:57 PM   
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Well this is bullshit! I asked for Dredd on Blu-Ray for Christmas, convinced it would be released in time for then but today I get an email from amazon, announcing the release date as 14th January? what possible reason could they have for releasing it just after the Christmas buying period?


Another dumb marketing move.


Hmm... would suggest the producers don't have much faith in Dredd 3D making much DVD/Bluray money over the Christmas period. Perhaps fascist cops don't appeal during the 'season to be jolly - fa la la la la la la la la.'

If January is a bad month for DVD/Blu-ray sales then it will feel as if the producers/investors have washed their hands of Dredd 3D.

In hindsight Dredd 3D was a release date cock-up. Having said that, many people did say "September doesn't seem the right month to release this film" and it turned out to be the wrong month! I think early spring would have been better. For one thing it would have got the jump on all the other comic book films released this year - Batman, Spider-Man, Avengers, Captain Custard, Sausage-Man.

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RE: DREDD - 20/10/2012 12:11:35 PM   
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Well this is bullshit! I asked for Dredd on Blu-Ray for Christmas, convinced it would be released in time for then but today I get an email from amazon, announcing the release date as 14th January? what possible reason could they have for releasing it just after the Christmas buying period?


Another dumb marketing move.


Agreed. Jan 14th is at a time when most people will be skint and have plenty to watch anyway. I for one, was actually looking forward to sitting down with the family on Christmas Day and watching some blood and guts fly in HD.

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RE: DREDD - 20/10/2012 5:19:33 PM   
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In hindsight Dredd 3D was a release date cock-up. Having said that, many people did say "September doesn't seem the right month to release this film" and it turned out to be the wrong month! I think early spring would have been better.



Aye, Dredd would have fared much better against The Hunger Games, John Carter and Cabin in the Woods.


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RE: DREDD - 21/10/2012 1:36:39 AM   
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I would have loved to have seen this film at the cinema, I've been waiting for a good JUDGE DREDD movie since I read 2000AD as a kid (I am choosing to forget the Stallone picture...)

But no 2D version anywhere close to where I live?:

Fuck it. I'll get it on BR in a couple of months.

FUCK 3D!!!!!!

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RE: DREDD - 21/10/2012 11:41:06 AM   
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Deleted post. Please see post below. Thanks.

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RE: DREDD - 21/10/2012 11:45:50 AM   
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I would have loved to have seen this film at the cinema, I've been waiting for a good JUDGE DREDD movie since I read 2000AD as a kid (I am choosing to forget the Stallone picture...)

But no 2D version anywhere close to where I live?:

I'll get it on BR in a couple of months.



Your comments illustrate one of the reasons why Dredd 3D didn't do well. The core fanbase of 2000AD - the really passionate fans - would have hunted down a 3D or 2D version. However, it's worth noting British comics don't have large readership. For example: The Dandy is down to 8000 readers a week and going all digital. The paper version is being discontinued.

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The publishers have announced that the final printed edition will be issued on 4 December 2012, the comic's 75th anniversary


There aren't enough 'current' 2000AD readers to have guaranteed Dredd 3D being a reasonable size hit so the film depended on former fans and general film goers actively seeking out the 3D version.

In hindsight it's clear a 'majority 3D release' was a terrible decision and severely damaged Dredd 3D's box office chances. The DVD/Bluray release should attract some new viewers? I guess so.


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RE: DREDD - 21/10/2012 12:44:37 PM   
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I think you've made your point Manwihtheplan (in here and in the review thread). If you wish to stick to repeating a discussion on how well the film did then you can discuss it within the general box office thread in Movie Musings or rest on your laurels from the review thread.

I think it's now time, and fair, to leave this thread to people who want to discuss the actual film.



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RE: DREDD - 21/10/2012 3:11:24 PM   
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Well this is bullshit! I asked for Dredd on Blu-Ray for Christmas, convinced it would be released in time for then but today I get an email from amazon, announcing the release date as 14th January? what possible reason could they have for releasing it just after the Christmas buying period?


It's always been the way with Summer releases. Everything released in the cinema up until the middle-end of August gets released on Blu Ray before Christmas. Anything released Late August and September in the cinema gets released on Blu Ray Boxing Day or January depending on where in September it was released. a January 14th release for Dredd is what I expected.

As for if Dredd was released at the right time, I think the September Post-Summer, Pre-Autumn/Winter slot was a good one. Released in either of those it would have been overshadowed by other big releases, September has always been a place for smaller budget action films or weird, interesting cult films which don't quite fit in with the massive blockbusters and don't quite fit it with award season stuff in the winter. September seemed like the prime place for Dredd, it's just the marketing campaign was absolute bollocks, it's the only reason to blame.

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RE: DREDD - 21/10/2012 8:37:43 PM   
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Dredd is a fantastic sci fi action film.One of the best iv seen in years.

My own personal opinion why it didnt do well in the u.s is..

1) The hero didnt have an ''emotional redemptive arc ''.

2) It was an action film for adults with hard core violence so kiddies couldnt see it.

3) No romantic subplot to keep teenage girls from getting bored.

4) No ''comic relief '' character to be a sidekick to the hero.

5) No trendy shakeycam to make the action scenes incomprehensible

6) It didnt have vampires in it.

7) It didnt have Transformers in it.

And dreddhead (sorry, manwiththeplan) this is a favourite films thread.You dont like the film thats fair enough but you are just trolling now.


Yes, you got us pegged, we're all just that stupid. Also, I love that you end all those nice prejudices with accusing someone else of trolling. That's just great.

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RE: DREDD - 21/10/2012 8:49:18 PM   
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Anyone else think the film would have made an awesome Batman: Arkham Asylum style game?

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RE: DREDD - 21/10/2012 9:41:53 PM   
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Dredd is a fantastic sci fi action film.One of the best iv seen in years.

My own personal opinion why it didnt do well in the u.s is..

1) The hero didnt have an ''emotional redemptive arc ''.

2) It was an action film for adults with hard core violence so kiddies couldnt see it.

3) No romantic subplot to keep teenage girls from getting bored.

4) No ''comic relief '' character to be a sidekick to the hero.

5) No trendy shakeycam to make the action scenes incomprehensible

6) It didnt have vampires in it.

7) It didnt have Transformers in it.

And dreddhead (sorry, manwiththeplan) this is a favourite films thread.You dont like the film thats fair enough but you are just trolling now.


Yes, you got us pegged, we're all just that stupid. Also, I love that you end all those nice prejudices with accusing someone else of trolling. That's just great.


Indeed - it is as if all those amazing action movies that CB loves came from some other country that isn't America.

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RE: DREDD - 21/10/2012 9:48:36 PM   
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 Dredd didn't perform well in the US because not many people wanted to see it. Simple.

The reasons Cool Breeze listed are specious crap - but then again what else do you expect from him?

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RE: DREDD - 21/10/2012 9:52:13 PM   
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*Sigh* Why does this thread seem to be constantly derailed...?

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RE: DREDD - 22/10/2012 6:57:28 AM   
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 To cut CB a bit of a break, perhaps the intended meaning was the list of reasons the film bombed is being deliberately provocative to express frustration at the way films can tend to be marketed/categorised, a bit polemically expressed maybe...maybe not, but I tried

Given the shit that people do see/buy it does seem that saturation marketing is the deciding factor over content sometimes, and given the content of dredd, you know what Idea has just popped in my head as the way to market it should have been? Take a leaf out of the muppets promotion book and make parodic references to other films...

Trailer music and editing style from Kill Bill... featuring nothing but people readying, and attempting to...Kill Dredd.

Parody the TPM (Every Legend has a beginning) schtick Feauturing moody shots of Dredd walking around, looked at by Anderson, realtively calm, until Not Every Legend Has a...(Dredd ready's gun) Lawgiver...Then quick sequence of the Lawgiver being fired, with different effects of various ammo. Just enough to give a taste of the carnage, enough to create an 'there's something arch about the content of the film' air.

The Darker Knight

Use of Johnny Cash song about death...(When The Man, comes around).

etc

If you're trying to sell something people are going to be largely unfamiliar with, the quickest and easiest way to get it into people's minds is via things they ARE familiar with.

And for small shits and giggles, bring on a pun...a sequence of shots from the film with intertitles Crime...Fear...Dredd (which is groanworthy, but also intended to make a 'Crime. Fear Dredd' statement of intent.

Such a marketing campaign wouldn't have been ruinously expensive, the net would have done the job to a large degree, to cut down on the cost of placing spots in cinemas/papers/mags/TV. The idea of the 'property' as something deliberately outrageous in its presentation of its Judges v Perps world, etc.

And since this all seems 'brought to you by the benefit of hindsight' I'll just say the 'Crime...Fear...Dredd' suggestion was made by me a hella long time ago when the debate about the film mainly centred on the size of Dredd's helmet.





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RE: DREDD - 23/10/2012 12:27:28 AM   
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Dredd 3Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee is my favourite film with 3D at the end. Well, apart from Jaws 3D and Carry On 3D.

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RE: DREDD - 23/10/2012 2:46:02 PM   
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Anyone else think the film would have made an awesome Batman: Arkham Asylum style game?




Dredds plot would have made for a great console game adaptation.The game could have had the more far out and outlandish elements of the comic that the films relatively low budget would not allow.

Its a pity the film isnt out on Blu until after xmas but i was expecting that really.January is not too long to wait.Heck,release windows are so tight now that those of us who grew up during the VHS days are really spoiled now.I remember you had to wait for about 8 months for a film to come out on rental after its cinema release and even longer for it to be on '' sell thru ''.

Dredd will hopefully find a much bigger audience on the home market just like Blade Runner,and The Shawshank Redemption.

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RE: DREDD - 23/10/2012 3:05:58 PM   
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Dredd is a fantastic sci fi action film.One of the best iv seen in years.

My own personal opinion why it didnt do well in the u.s is..

1) The hero didnt have an ''emotional redemptive arc ''.

2) It was an action film for adults with hard core violence so kiddies couldnt see it.

3) No romantic subplot to keep teenage girls from getting bored.

4) No ''comic relief '' character to be a sidekick to the hero.

5) No trendy shakeycam to make the action scenes incomprehensible

6) It didnt have vampires in it.

7) It didnt have Transformers in it.

And dreddhead (sorry, manwiththeplan) this is a favourite films thread.You dont like the film thats fair enough but you are just trolling now.


Thing is Battleship had all the above (bar Vampires!) or was all the things that Dredd wasn't and that tanked in the US, so this list doesn't really make any sense.

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RE: DREDD - 23/10/2012 3:06:20 PM   
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 Oh and Dredd was indeed awesome

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