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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 14/9/2012 4:00:19 PM   
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Couple of things;

Firstly, thanks for the info re LED/Plasma chaps. I'd been told LED was the way to go, and the TV I had looked at was a Plasma, but I think after reading more opinions I'm going to start having a look at LED's.

Secondly, I am fucking stunned Pearl Harbour had an edit for the dialogue in that scene.....seriously I am stunned that Bay and Disney even noted it and speant time and cost distributing two versions. Did people really kick up that much fuss to make them listen? Incredible.

Thirdly, regarding the dimming and potential loss of colour in 3D. I've never experienced it while watching 3D in a home environment, particularly on sports. It's never been an issue at all in football or during tennis. The few films I've watched in 3D at home didn't suffer as much as I expected. In particular Thor didn't seem too affected by it, and I was really expecting it to look duuf during the early battle against the Frost Giant's as I thought that was dull even in 2D. Tangled, Cars 2 and Captain America were all really bright during home viewings, but I've found that animated films in 3D at the cinema never really loose brightness either. I watched some of On STranger Tides in 3D at home too and I really saw an improvement on what I remember from the cinema version. It was a lot brighter and had more depth to it, I recall the cinema showing being really dim and flat. I can only assume that as the Brother In Law has control over his settings he has things set in a way that loss of colour and brightness just doesnt happen as much. Maybe cinema projections vary simply due to the skill level and quality of equipment and people they employ in different screens. For example, the 3D in Prometheus was pretty damn stunning and it was never dim or lacking in detail, it was one of the best cinema presentations I've ever seen, 3D or 2D, it was amazing. However, weeks later in a seperate screening of Amazing Spiderman, the effect was dim and blurry. Was it due to Spiderman being a post conversion vs Prometheus' native 3D? Was it the quality ot the screen or projectionist equipment? Dunno, but I would suspect home 3D can improve the effect as a viewer can adjust settings to his/her preference.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 14/9/2012 6:38:42 PM   
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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 14/9/2012 6:47:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

Couple of things;

Firstly, thanks for the info re LED/Plasma chaps. I'd been told LED was the way to go, and the TV I had looked at was a Plasma, but I think after reading more opinions I'm going to start having a look at LED's.

Secondly, I am fucking stunned Pearl Harbour had an edit for the dialogue in that scene.....seriously I am stunned that Bay and Disney even noted it and speant time and cost distributing two versions. Did people really kick up that much fuss to make them listen? Incredible.

Thirdly, regarding the dimming and potential loss of colour in 3D. I've never experienced it while watching 3D in a home environment, particularly on sports. It's never been an issue at all in football or during tennis. The few films I've watched in 3D at home didn't suffer as much as I expected. In particular Thor didn't seem too affected by it, and I was really expecting it to look duuf during the early battle against the Frost Giant's as I thought that was dull even in 2D. Tangled, Cars 2 and Captain America were all really bright during home viewings, but I've found that animated films in 3D at the cinema never really loose brightness either. I watched some of On STranger Tides in 3D at home too and I really saw an improvement on what I remember from the cinema version. It was a lot brighter and had more depth to it, I recall the cinema showing being really dim and flat. I can only assume that as the Brother In Law has control over his settings he has things set in a way that loss of colour and brightness just doesnt happen as much. Maybe cinema projections vary simply due to the skill level and quality of equipment and people they employ in different screens. For example, the 3D in Prometheus was pretty damn stunning and it was never dim or lacking in detail, it was one of the best cinema presentations I've ever seen, 3D or 2D, it was amazing. However, weeks later in a seperate screening of Amazing Spiderman, the effect was dim and blurry. Was it due to Spiderman being a post conversion vs Prometheus' native 3D? Was it the quality ot the screen or projectionist equipment? Dunno, but I would suspect home 3D can improve the effect as a viewer can adjust settings to his/her preference.


The Amazing Spider-man was also filmed in 3D, with the same 'Red Epic' type of cameras that Prometheus was filmed with. Apparently.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 15/9/2012 8:32:14 AM   
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Hey Porntrooper. My TV is a 46" Samsung LED. The 3D looks great on a screen that size, so anything bigger is gonna look even better! One thing i will say is that i was tempted with a plasma until i saw a demo at the store. Plasma TVs are only really good for rooms with very little light/ sunlight. The picture looks very washed out (please DPP come and cite some technical stuff as washed out isn't a very good description and makes it sound like plasmas look bad, which isnt the case) and the blacks arent nearly as strong as LED or LCD, unless you're seemingly in a pitch black room. LED is best for long term power consumption and IMO the screen is way better than my previous model which was LCD. I'm no technical expert though and someone like DPP would be perfect to give us all a proper breakdown on the merits of each.



Just to address and refine this point (at the risk of DPP showing up and making me look like a wally), Plasma's generally have a glass screen, hence they're susceptible to screen glare from light sources in the room (particularly sunlight), most of them have anti-glare coatings but this doesn't alleviate the problem completely. Obviously with a matte finish and no glass to speak of an LCD or LED TV doesn't have this problem, aside from some models that have a gloss screen that is. That said I even think there's the odd Plasma knocking about with a matte screen these days, but I have no idea how these perform.

As for black levels not being as good on a Plasma unless you’re in a dark room, yes and no. If black levels on a Plasma are seemingly lacking in a well lit room, it's only because of the screen glare you may or are liable to be suffering, chances are if the glare is that bad black levels will be the least of your worries, you won't be able to see bugger all anyway. Discounting the glare issue for a second however, generally speaking black levels and contrast ratios are where Plasma has always excelled in the past; it's one of their main advantages. That said LCD's have come on leaps and bounds in that area over the years, my early 2005 Samsung LCD is a nightmare in that regard, but my brother's recent Samsung LCD from last year is a testament to how much they've moved on. With LED backlighting they're supposed to have improved even further, but aside from viewing in store I've had no real hands on experience with LED TV's.

Viewing angles was always something else to consider with LCD/LED TV's but as the technology has progressed it's become less and less of an issue, just as screen burn for Plasma's is no longer a real bugbear. LCD/LED technology also consumes far less power than a Plasma, so expect to see a few pounds knocked off your electric bill also.

Personally I'm of the opinion that other than the screen glare issue mentioned above there's very little to separate the technologies to the average laymen who doesn't care about such things.

3D performance between the technologies I'm not overly familiar with so can't comment beyond what I've read, like Plasma's having better 3D veiwing angles or less cross-talk because of their higher response times etc, but I've also read opinions to the contrary as well.



paulyboy this post is awesome, thanks for giving us some actual technical insight! Very interesting read and helps explain the difference i noticed between Plasmas and LEDs and LCDs in the store demo i saw.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 15/9/2012 8:35:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

Couple of things;

Firstly, thanks for the info re LED/Plasma chaps. I'd been told LED was the way to go, and the TV I had looked at was a Plasma, but I think after reading more opinions I'm going to start having a look at LED's.

Secondly, I am fucking stunned Pearl Harbour had an edit for the dialogue in that scene.....seriously I am stunned that Bay and Disney even noted it and speant time and cost distributing two versions. Did people really kick up that much fuss to make them listen? Incredible.

Thirdly, regarding the dimming and potential loss of colour in 3D. I've never experienced it while watching 3D in a home environment, particularly on sports. It's never been an issue at all in football or during tennis. The few films I've watched in 3D at home didn't suffer as much as I expected. In particular Thor didn't seem too affected by it, and I was really expecting it to look duuf during the early battle against the Frost Giant's as I thought that was dull even in 2D. Tangled, Cars 2 and Captain America were all really bright during home viewings, but I've found that animated films in 3D at the cinema never really loose brightness either. I watched some of On STranger Tides in 3D at home too and I really saw an improvement on what I remember from the cinema version. It was a lot brighter and had more depth to it, I recall the cinema showing being really dim and flat. I can only assume that as the Brother In Law has control over his settings he has things set in a way that loss of colour and brightness just doesnt happen as much. Maybe cinema projections vary simply due to the skill level and quality of equipment and people they employ in different screens. For example, the 3D in Prometheus was pretty damn stunning and it was never dim or lacking in detail, it was one of the best cinema presentations I've ever seen, 3D or 2D, it was amazing. However, weeks later in a seperate screening of Amazing Spiderman, the effect was dim and blurry. Was it due to Spiderman being a post conversion vs Prometheus' native 3D? Was it the quality ot the screen or projectionist equipment? Dunno, but I would suspect home 3D can improve the effect as a viewer can adjust settings to his/her preference.


I'm glad you also have no complaints about home 3D viewing with regard to loss of brightness. It's a world apart from the cinema as one can just turn the brightness up if they find it too dim. I find a lot of the 3D haters are basing their opinion solely on bad cinema viewings, and have never had the opportunity to see how good 3D can look on a quality hi def TV. I've yet to see Tangled or Pirates 4 in 3D at home, but have the others you mention. I'd say Thor is probably the weakest 3D i've seen on a big budget movie, which is odd as Captain America's 3D is really good.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 15/9/2012 8:39:16 AM   
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BTW guys i watched the most impressive 3D movie on the market yesterday. Believe it or not, the animated film A Turtles Tale: Sammys Adventures is widely considered to have the most mindblowing 3D yet which is why i went for it, after constant recommendations. I can honestly say i was not disappointed. For those who like their pop out FX, the whole movie is really pushed in terms of the 3D and it's quite incredible. Seems odd that such a reltively low fi release would have the best 3D around but it's true! Also got My Bloody Valentine 3D. There are two versions of this, the anaglyph version which i previously owned and the proper stereoscopic version which is what i got yesterday. I saw that in the cinema back in 2009 and loved the 3D then. Lots of great pop outs in that too.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 15/9/2012 10:30:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD


quote:

ORIGINAL: paulyboy

Just to address and refine this point (at the risk of DPP showing up and making me look like a wally), Plasma's generally have a glass screen, hence they're susceptible to screen glare from light sources in the room (particularly sunlight), most of them have anti-glare coatings but this doesn't alleviate the problem completely. Obviously with a matte finish and no glass to speak of an LCD or LED TV doesn't have this problem, aside from some models that have a gloss screen that is. That said I even think there's the odd Plasma knocking about with a matte screen these days, but I have no idea how these perform.

As for black levels not being as good on a Plasma unless you’re in a dark room, yes and no. If black levels on a Plasma are seemingly lacking in a well lit room, it's only because of the screen glare you may or are liable to be suffering, chances are if the glare is that bad black levels will be the least of your worries, you won't be able to see bugger all anyway. Discounting the glare issue for a second however, generally speaking black levels and contrast ratios are where Plasma has always excelled in the past; it's one of their main advantages. That said LCD's have come on leaps and bounds in that area over the years, my early 2005 Samsung LCD is a nightmare in that regard, but my brother's recent Samsung LCD from last year is a testament to how much they've moved on. With LED backlighting they're supposed to have improved even further, but aside from viewing in store I've had no real hands on experience with LED TV's.

Viewing angles was always something else to consider with LCD/LED TV's but as the technology has progressed it's become less and less of an issue, just as screen burn for Plasma's is no longer a real bugbear. LCD/LED technology also consumes far less power than a Plasma, so expect to see a few pounds knocked off your electric bill also.

Personally I'm of the opinion that other than the screen glare issue mentioned above there's very little to separate the technologies to the average laymen who doesn't care about such things.

3D performance between the technologies I'm not overly familiar with so can't comment beyond what I've read, like Plasma's having better 3D veiwing angles or less cross-talk because of their higher response times etc, but I've also read opinions to the contrary as well.



paulyboy this post is awesome, thanks for giving us some actual technical insight! Very interesting read and helps explain the difference i noticed between Plasmas and LEDs and LCDs in the store demo i saw.


I agree. Nice post paulyboy.

The best modern screens according to many videophiles are still the late model Pioneer KUROs which went out of production in 2010. They are Plasma screens with some patented technologies which mean the blacks were for all intents and purposes completely black. They are considered to rival CRT screens for black level performance. CRTs are still considered the gold standard for black level performance, although the gap is ever diminishing.

Apparently Panasonic bought a lot of Pioneer's plasma patents and some of their plasmas have a derivative of KURO technology.

LCD and LED sets both rely on an LCD panel, the main difference is the way they are lit.

An LCD set is backlit by an array of flourescent tubes. It is always on and because the LCD screen cannot become 100% opaque there is always some light leakage; something readily noticeable during dark scenes.

An LED display is lit by an array of LEDs. On the better LED screens the LEDs will dynamically switch off on dark areas of the screen so there is a dramatic reduction in light leakage. This leads to dramatic increase in black level performance.

So on balance a good LED TV will perform, with respect to black levels, on a similar level to a good plasma. the gap is certainly getting smaller.

Where, at least according to some, plasma is still king is motion resolution. Apparently there are those, who take their TVs very seriously, who have run tests and found many LCD based TVs lose a significant of image fidelity where there is movement on screen. Apparently plasmas perform better, and a good plasma's image will be as highly resolved in a high motion scene as it is when stationary footage is displayed.

It has never really bothered me as I use mine primarily to watch film, where motion blur is endemic. If I hadn't read about it I doubt I would even have noticed. Some of those who are very keen on video games take this very seriously; almost as seriously as they take input lag.

New screen types (OLED for example) promise to be the best of all worlds, at least according to manufacturers.

One other thing. You can never equate how a screen looks in the shop to how it looks at home. They will be set up to stand out in a brightly lit environment, not to have good image fidelity. People have been shown to prefer a brightly lit highly saturated image, and when you pump these up it can lead to washed out blacks.

If forced to choose I still prefer the image on a good plasma over that on a good LCD or LED set. It seems more natural to me.


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Thirdly, regarding the dimming and potential loss of colour in 3D. I've never experienced it while watching 3D in a home environment, particularly on sports. It's never been an issue at all in football or during tennis. The few films I've watched in 3D at home didn't suffer as much as I expected. In particular Thor didn't seem too affected by it, and I was really expecting it to look duuf during the early battle against the Frost Giant's as I thought that was dull even in 2D. Tangled, Cars 2 and Captain America were all really bright during home viewings, but I've found that animated films in 3D at the cinema never really loose brightness either. I watched some of On STranger Tides in 3D at home too and I really saw an improvement on what I remember from the cinema version. It was a lot brighter and had more depth to it, I recall the cinema showing being really dim and flat. I can only assume that as the Brother In Law has control over his settings he has things set in a way that loss of colour and brightness just doesnt happen as much. Maybe cinema projections vary simply due to the skill level and quality of equipment and people they employ in different screens. For example, the 3D in Prometheus was pretty damn stunning and it was never dim or lacking in detail, it was one of the best cinema presentations I've ever seen, 3D or 2D, it was amazing. However, weeks later in a seperate screening of Amazing Spiderman, the effect was dim and blurry. Was it due to Spiderman being a post conversion vs Prometheus' native 3D? Was it the quality ot the screen or projectionist equipment? Dunno, but I would suspect home 3D can improve the effect as a viewer can adjust settings to his/her preference.


Home setups typically use a flat panel. These devices emit the light you see directly. They are typically much brighter than a cinema screen and the owner can easily pump up their screen's light output to counteract the effect the glasses have.

Cinema screens reflect the light from the projector, which is a really inefficient way of doing things, but necessary to fill a large screen economically. As such they are very badly affected by ambient light. Black levels on even a very good cinema screen will typically be outperformed by a good flatpanel. . Factor in the fact they are usually run for peak economy rather than peak performance and it isn't surprising that there are complaints about brightness.

Cinema standards state that there should be around 14 foot lamberts of illumination on the screen when shone through the open gate of a film projector. That is the equivalent of an all peak white image from a digital projector. When showing actual content the recordable light output will be much lower. An all black image would ideally measure 0 foot lamberts. The polarising filters in the projector and the glasses both eat some of the light leading to a dimmer image.

The obvious solution would be to pump up the light level in the projector, but that would eat into profits.

Home projection can potentially suffer the same drawbacks but the owner is in control.

So it isn't in the least bit surprising that 3D at home can neatly outperform 3D in the cinema.

I'm a big fan of good 3D. I'm of the opinion that a post processed film can look just as good as natively shot footage. After all, all native 3D films have post processed shots. I think the automatic hatred reeks of confirmation bias in many cases.

I wonder how many of those who really hate on 3D have never seen really good 3D?

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 15/9/2012 11:31:38 AM   
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I was watching The Shawshank Redemption yesterday and couldn't help but notice the lack of 3D.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 15/9/2012 1:31:30 PM   
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I was watching The Shawshank Redemption yesterday and couldn't help but notice the lack of 3D.


I can't help but think it would improve that particular film. It certainly couldn't be any worse.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 15/9/2012 3:25:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD

BTW guys i watched the most impressive 3D movie on the market yesterday. Believe it or not, the animated film A Turtles Tale: Sammys Adventures is widely considered to have the most mindblowing 3D yet which is why i went for it, after constant recommendations. I can honestly say i was not disappointed. For those who like their pop out FX, the whole movie is really pushed in terms of the 3D and it's quite incredible. Seems odd that such a reltively low fi release would have the best 3D around but it's true! Also got My Bloody Valentine 3D. There are two versions of this, the anaglyph version which i previously owned and the proper stereoscopic version which is what i got yesterday. I saw that in the cinema back in 2009 and loved the 3D then. Lots of great pop outs in that too.


There you have it, folks. The only rave for A Turtles Tale you'll read all year.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 15/9/2012 4:41:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

I was watching The Shawshank Redemption yesterday and couldn't help but notice the lack of 3D.


I can't help but think it would improve that particular film. It certainly couldn't be any worse.


Yeah, good one.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 15/9/2012 9:33:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MonsterCat


quote:

ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD

BTW guys i watched the most impressive 3D movie on the market yesterday. Believe it or not, the animated film A Turtles Tale: Sammys Adventures is widely considered to have the most mindblowing 3D yet which is why i went for it, after constant recommendations. I can honestly say i was not disappointed. For those who like their pop out FX, the whole movie is really pushed in terms of the 3D and it's quite incredible. Seems odd that such a reltively low fi release would have the best 3D around but it's true! Also got My Bloody Valentine 3D. There are two versions of this, the anaglyph version which i previously owned and the proper stereoscopic version which is what i got yesterday. I saw that in the cinema back in 2009 and loved the 3D then. Lots of great pop outs in that too.


There you have it, folks. The only rave for A Turtles Tale you'll read all year.


It's awesome! The 3D that is. I did actually enjoy the movie though, it was sweet with a nice environmental message.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 25/9/2012 9:48:27 PM   
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Saw Pirates in an adventure with scientists on Friday. Fun movie with fairly good 3D although i think they couldve pushed it a little more. It was mostly quite subtle and considering the look of the movie, i think a bit more dpeth wouldnt have gone amiss.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 3/10/2012 9:49:39 PM   
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Ordered Fright Night 3D and Nightmare Before Christmas 3D today. heard the 3D in Fright Night is excellent and amazingly i've never actually seen NBC before!

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 4/10/2012 1:16:45 PM   
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the real leap will be with the conversion of movies like 'i, robot' to 3d blu ray.
'wizard of oz' 3d is also on the way.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 4/10/2012 1:18:33 PM   
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why will that be 'the real leap'?

Would definitely like to see Wizard of Oz 3D. have got I, Robot 3D on pre-order

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 4/10/2012 1:46:15 PM   
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the real leap will be with the conversion of movies like 'i, robot' to 3d blu ray.
'wizard of oz' 3d is also on the way.


3D conversion of movies never works.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 4/10/2012 2:26:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


quote:

ORIGINAL: spark1

the real leap will be with the conversion of movies like 'i, robot' to 3d blu ray.
'wizard of oz' 3d is also on the way.


3D conversion of movies never works.


Well, not necessarily. A good example of bad post conversion would be the fucked up Clash Of The Titans, with a good example being Titanic. I suppose it's like any other visual effect, done correctly it can look great, done poorly it will look like a tramps pants. I don't think it's something that can be so easily defined as either 'never' working or 'always' working.

I really have no idea why I-Robot is being converted, was that even a succesful movie??

I'm not sure if I'm a big fan of converting older films, again I guess it depends how well it is managed and implemented and at the end of the day the original version will always remain. I have no real desire to watch Wizard of Oz in 3D, although I suspect with a good conversion it could look quite impressive given some of the sets used, I could certainly see how an added depth to the world would work. Just not sure thats for me though.

Not sure if anyone would know this, maybe DPP, but how are animated movies done in 3D, cos obviously they're not shot using 3D cameras. Is there a post conversion technique used? If so, that's an argument for good post conversion 3D, as animated films in 3D tend to look pretty brilliant (Toy Story and Cars 2 recently all looked pretty good, as does the Tangled 3D Blu).

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 4/10/2012 7:22:14 PM   
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I think porntrooper with animated movies, it's just twice the rendering as they have to render the left eye and right eye, rather than it being converted after the fact.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 11/10/2012 12:16:32 AM   
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I'm waiting for the 3d classics.

I already have creature from the black lagoon.

Dial m for murder and house of wax should be next.

I also want....

Friday the 13th part 3
Kiss me Kate
Flesh of frankenstien


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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 11/10/2012 1:15:45 PM   
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ditto on Friday the 13th part 3, definitely

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 13/10/2012 9:26:43 AM   
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The trouble is I think some cinemas are starting to loose maybe (patience) is to strong a word but interest with the format a wee bit as maybe their not seeing as much profits as they'd first thought, what with the likes of Cineworlds new card role out due soon that includes free access to 3D films for anyone whose had a card for over a year.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 13/10/2012 3:22:16 PM   
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Prometheus in 3D is staggering, easily one of the best 3D blus i've seen. Avatar 3D hits shops Monday. Must pick that up at some point.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 13/10/2012 3:58:07 PM   
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I have a 46'' Samsung D7000 TV (£1300) and Sony blu ray player, but the 3D I get is barely 3D. I watched Prometheus 3D last night and could barely tell I was watching 3D. Do I have to adjust certain settings to get more visible 3D?

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 13/10/2012 4:00:50 PM   
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I'm gonna get avatar too, currently looking for meet the robotsons. I've heard it's not a bar film, but really want it for the "working for peanuts" chip 'n Dale cartoon.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 13/10/2012 4:08:29 PM   
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I have a 46'' Samsung D7000 TV (£1300) and Sony blu ray player, but the 3D I get is barely 3D. I watched Prometheus 3D last night and could barely tell I was watching 3D. Do I have to adjust certain settings to get more visible 3D?


I dont really know what to suggest. Do you have other 3D blu rays to check the effectiveness of the 3D? The 3D in Prometheus is very apparent to my eyes and incredibly effective with lots of depth

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 14/10/2012 8:45:46 AM   
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I think rendered 3d doesn't have the same depth as films shot with a 3d camera, that might be your problem.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 14/10/2012 12:44:14 PM   
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This is not true, Titanic and Avengers both had 3D conversions and have some of the best 3D i've seen. Also Prometheus was shot in 3D, that's one of the reasons the 3D is so good.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 14/10/2012 1:32:43 PM   
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This is not true, Titanic and Avengers both had 3D conversions and have some of the best 3D i've seen. Also Prometheus was shot in 3D, that's one of the reasons the 3D is so good.


All three films look better in normal 2d though.

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RE: 3D Blu Ray: The Future! - 14/10/2012 2:45:03 PM   
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I'd be amazed if you can't see the 3D effect on Prometheus, it really is impressive.

Since the 3D TV arrived I've caught a few 3D Blu's - Toy Story 3, Prometheus, Avengers and Tangled. All looked great. Prometheus remains the bench mark for me though, really superb and it's odd how much I prefer the 3D version to 2D. When I watched Alien on Blu for the first time I was amazed at the clarity of the restoration and thought at the time that a number of shots had some real depth (particularly those opening moments as we drift through the corridors of the Nostromo) and having watched the Prometheus extras it's clear Ridley Scott has always shot with a view to add as much depth as possible, which is probably why he's really managed to make 3D work. It really is good. Am going to pick up Transformers 3 too, I thought the 3D in that was good when I saw it at the cinema, and I actually quite like the film (I know, shamefull) and it'll complete the Transformers collection, so it'll be intriguing to see how it holds up on home 3D.

I'm intrigued Cool Breeze, if you're so against 3D as a medium in film, why do you even bother wasting time in a thread about 3D Blu Ray? All you can add is criticism of the medium, which is probably better suited to the thread in musings about it's various uses, successes, failures etc. I'm not against using the thread to review the qualiy of a 3D Blu Ray and criticise those that aren't any good, discuss 3D releases etc, but it's clear you aren't really able to do that objectively. You're against 3D Blu full stop. Also, on the subject, have you ever watched anything other than film in 3D? Sport? Football for example can be stunning in 3D. I'm not against 3D in film when used well, although I'm not really keen on the idea of post converting old films/classics to cash in. If a film is intended for 3D viewing, that's how I'll view it, unless it's a completely fucedk up conversion of course. However, sport is really where 3D is going to be used in my home as it really does work. A depth to the pitch in football, depth tp the tennis court or athletics stadium can really enhance it and make it more immersive. Even if youre not keep on it used being in films (as youre clearly not -and it's your opinion by the way, not fac,t that 3D films look better in 2D) it can be great for sports. You should try it out on a decently calibrated set up cos it can be awesome.

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