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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 9/1/2013 10:34:37 AM   
Harry Tuttle


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You guys must both be on meth if you really believe this. He might be easier recognised now because of a series of films but Iron Man isn't even close to being the cultural icon Superman is.


Iconic isn't the same as popular though is it.

I don't know a single person that's looking forward to the new Superman film. Not one. Now that means jack all in the scheme of things (because obviously the group of people I know isn't indicative of any global trend) and I'd be surprised if MoS doesn't make a good whack of cash at the box office but the film has it's work cut out making the character of Superman relevant to a modern audience IMO. Hell, even the comic book reading public has been dropping Superman hand over fist in the last year (I expect sales will rise when Scott Snyder takes over though).

I fancy Iron Man to make at least double what Superman does at the box office.

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 9/1/2013 12:49:40 PM   
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I fancy Iron Man.





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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 9/1/2013 12:50:31 PM   
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I fancy Iron Man.








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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 10/1/2013 10:55:03 PM   
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Iron Man: $585 million
Iron Man 2: $623 million.

Where the heck are you guys getting this extra $375 million from that you are so sure it's going to make?

Let's not forget Iron Man 2 was considered a disappointment (quality wise) and grossed less domestically than the first one despite nearly everyone predicting that it would blow the original out of the water (gross wise).

And being released so close to The Avengers is just as likely to cause audience fatigue as it is to attract more people, plus it doesn't have the novelty factor of The Avengers, so anyone thinking it will come close to that is off their barney.

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 10/1/2013 11:35:40 PM   
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Yeah Superman is an odd one, because it does seem to be one of those Superheros which really dates, the reboot was decent all in all, but I do question whether the Box Office will stand up to the likes of Batman and Iron Man's.

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 10/1/2013 11:37:19 PM   
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Iron Man: $585 million
Iron Man 2: $623 million.

Where the heck are you guys getting this extra $375 million from that you are so sure it's going to make?

Let's not forget Iron Man 2 was considered a disappointment (quality wise) and grossed less domestically than the first one despite nearly everyone predicting that it would blow the original out of the water (gross wise).

And being released so close to The Avengers is just as likely to cause audience fatigue as it is to attract more people, plus it doesn't have the novelty factor of The Avengers, so anyone thinking it will come close to that is off their barney.


Look at what Skyfall did after two movies which grossed similar numbers.

Come on DC, enough with having a go at other peoples predictions - lets see what you have to offer.

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 18/1/2013 10:08:14 AM   
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too early?

US/Overall WorldWide

Hobbit 2 (dec13) - US =300m /Overall WW = $950m (yes short of the $1b mark - dont think people are that thrilled 2 films have been streched to 3)



Gotta agree with you there. I've put my foot down on Mr. Jackson and refused to go see any of the Hobbit films for the pure reason that he's taking extra money out of people's pockets. Especially in this economic climate where people are struggling to make ends meet. Considering he managed to make one film for each book of LOTR's and then he stretches a similar sized book (to any of each part of LOTR) into 3 films is verging on exploitive and ludicrous. Shame on you Peter Jackson, shame on you.

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 18/1/2013 10:19:05 AM   
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too early?

US/Overall WorldWide

Hobbit 2 (dec13) - US =300m /Overall WW = $950m (yes short of the $1b mark - dont think people are that thrilled 2 films have been streched to 3)



Gotta agree with you there. I've put my foot down on Mr. Jackson and refused to go see any of the Hobbit films for the pure reason that he's taking extra money out of people's pockets. Especially in this economic climate where people are struggling to make ends meet. Considering he managed to make one film for each book of LOTR's and then he stretches a similar sized book (to any of each part of LOTR) into 3 films is verging on exploitive and ludicrous. Shame on you Peter Jackson, shame on you.


...ooohhh-kaaaaay.....


on the topic of superman, I think it will definitely have the fans business of comics and nolan but the normal movie going audience will take some convincing with either fantastic reviews or heavy promotion. The amount of people i've talked to about the new superman film and the first thing to come out of their mouths is "I don't like Superman. He's boring"

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 18/1/2013 3:29:55 PM   
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on the topic of superman, I think it will definitely have the fans business of comics and nolan but the normal movie going audience will take some convincing with either fantastic reviews or heavy promotion. The amount of people i've talked to about the new superman film and the first thing to come out of their mouths is "I don't like Superman. He's boring"


yes - love it or loath it SR didnt do much to change that view for the average movie goer with only vague recollections of the Reeve films (williams score, crystal krypton/fos, brando, comedy Lex, 3 supervillians in black, richard pryor and 80s computers, evil superman junkyard fight etc), that is if they even saw SR, or remember it if they did! (similar to SIV - aside fans i dont think most people even know there was a 4th film with reeve!)

MOS is in a very similar situation to Batman Begins in 2005...although im sure WBros are hoping it foregoes BB box office and makes Dark Knight $s

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 19/1/2013 10:42:58 AM   
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Man of Steel will definitely fail to repeat the success Batman trilogy had. I suppose this year is the year of sequels but unfortunately I reckon that SF/fantasy movies are gonna be pushed behind teen Cathing Fire. Even Hobbit 2 will fail to win the throne because too many people found the first part quite a flop

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 20/1/2013 4:01:38 PM   
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Last Stand - 6m opening. unless decent overseas not looking good

http://www.boxoffice.com/latest-news/2013-01-20-why-arnold-stumbled-with-the-last-stand

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 21/1/2013 2:47:27 PM   
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I reckon Man Of Steel might surprise and do numbers similar to the first Iron Man movie, I reckon 550m worldwide. I'm not sure if that would be considered a dissapointment given the fact that Superman is arguably one of the most recognised cultural icons in the world, or not?

My missues (who regular posters may know I use as a yardstcik for this kinda shit) is lookign forward to it. The trailer that showed before The Hobbit looked very, very impressive in 3D and she said it looked great. There was also a genuine feeling of positivity in the theatre of people chatting to each other straight after it, of course that couldve been them laughing at it and confirming they have no interest, but the feeling in the room felt positive. It was a similar feeling as after the Skyfall preview that showed before Dark Knight Rises, there was a genuinely feeling of people going 'ooooo, that looks good'. I think the theatrical trailer has already done enough to shift away from Superman Returns in terms of tone that the GA will be intrigued enough to come out in numbers. It won't hit the 1bn mark, no way, but I genuinely think Iron Man numbers are do-able... 550m is my prediction, maybe even 600m with the 3D/Imax bump in ticket prices.

Star Trek Into Darkness is one I'm interested in seeing the numbers for. I loved JJ's Star Trek, and I think Into Darkness looks great (I would've prefered to have watched the 9 minute preview a dozen times over, rather than sit through The Hobbit) and from the missus and people I work with, it seems to have a lot of people (people that aren't Star Trek fans, I should add) looking forward to it. Plus it seems the genre/sci fi crowd are now all about JJ's Star Trek. It seems mental that we're living in a time of film and genre geekery that is now more looking forward to a new Star Trek movie, than the promise of a new Star Wars trilogy. Who would ever have thought that would happen?! Anyway, Star Trek Into Darkness to do 700-800m worldwide.

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 31/1/2013 12:03:30 PM   
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The Last Stand has flopped at the UK box office http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21259910

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 31/1/2013 12:41:52 PM   
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hope it wont affect Conan 3...

he probably shouldve waited for a sequel to one of his hits (Conan 3, T5, Predator 4) before headlining another movie (like Slys Rocky6/Rambo 4 comeback) and until then just done supporting stuff like Ex 2, Ten etc

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 1/2/2013 9:38:34 AM   
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With and Sly's Bullet To The Head (which is being released during Superbowl Weekend!), i'm wondering if EX3 will even get greenlit. At least The Tomb and Ten are in the can. Looking forward to those. And The Last Stand, as one of the few that saw it, was good fun.

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 1/2/2013 1:22:28 PM   
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quote:

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too early?

US/Overall WorldWide

Hobbit 2 (dec13) - US =300m /Overall WW = $950m (yes short of the $1b mark - dont think people are that thrilled 2 films have been streched to 3)



Gotta agree with you there. I've put my foot down on Mr. Jackson and refused to go see any of the Hobbit films for the pure reason that he's taking extra money out of people's pockets. Especially in this economic climate where people are struggling to make ends meet. Considering he managed to make one film for each book of LOTR's and then he stretches a similar sized book (to any of each part of LOTR) into 3 films is verging on exploitive and ludicrous. Shame on you Peter Jackson, shame on you.


Surely using the above logic we should just boycott all films in general. Those evil studios trying to take our money away in these hard times!!!

Think of all the money you could save by not watching any films at all!

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 1/2/2013 1:24:33 PM   
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With and Sly's Bullet To The Head (which is being released during Superbowl Weekend!), i'm wondering if EX3 will even get greenlit. At least The Tomb and Ten are in the can. Looking forward to those. And The Last Stand, as one of the few that saw it, was good fun.


I'm sure EX3 will get greenlit as the sequel made more than the first. Audiences seem to like all these kinds of actors together in a movie, so they dont have to pay to go and see them separately! Although i'm sure Die Hard 5 will do fine.

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 1/2/2013 2:30:53 PM   
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Shame about The Last Stand not doing well.I thought it was an awesome old school action movie and a welcome leading man return for Arnie.With the failure of this and other hard R rated action movies like Dredd, im worried that these kind of movies will become extinct and studios will just keep churning out kiddie fare like The Hobbit and Harry Potter instead.

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 1/2/2013 2:42:59 PM   
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Personally I think it's kind of reductionist to the films and their audiences to label LOTR and Potter as kiddie fare, but whatevs.

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 1/2/2013 2:43:52 PM   
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If only they were as mature and adult as Star Wars, Star Trek, Spider-Man, Superman etc...

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 1/2/2013 2:44:18 PM   
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its not good but at least the likes of Dredd and TLS were only moderatly budgeted. although Looper did very well on a budget of $30m ($166m ww)

big budget R (which has thankfully had abit of a resurgence after the PG13s of AvP, DH4, T4 etc) is doing quite well - Prometheus, Expendables (& hopefully Die Hard 5) making respectable BO

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 1/2/2013 2:45:51 PM   
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If only they were as mature and adult as Star Wars, Star Trek, Spider-Man, Superman etc...


The Empire Strikes Back is about as mature as Star Wars can possibly get, actually.

The prequels on the other hand...

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 1/2/2013 3:13:47 PM   
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its not good but at least the likes of Dredd and TLS were only moderatly budgeted. although Looper did very well on a budget of $30m ($166m ww)

big budget R (which has thankfully had abit of a resurgence after the PG13s of AvP, DH4, T4 etc) is doing quite well - Prometheus, Expendables (& hopefully Die Hard 5) making respectable BO


Hmm you may be right.The Expendables movies have proven to be popular and Die Hard is almost certain to do well given the fan base.At least the likes of Statham, Stallone,Willis(etc) are doing their best to keep the genre alive and well.

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 5/2/2013 5:10:49 PM   
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I am starting to wonder if F&F6 might get close to a billion....

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 5/2/2013 5:54:32 PM   
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So, those The Last Stand, Parker and Bullet to the Head numbers are kinda depressing, ay guys?

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 5/2/2013 5:58:52 PM   
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So, those The Last Stand, Parker and Bullet to the Head numbers are kinda depressing, ay guys?


Not really - it was hardly like any of them were classics. Die Hard 5 will make lots of money. So at least Bruce will be ok.

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 5/2/2013 6:06:58 PM   
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Oh yeah sure, but right now there seems to be no interest for Arnie, Stat and Stallone to have a career outside of The Expendables.

And Willis always sort-of had more variety and chances then all those three together.

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 5/2/2013 7:21:02 PM   
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Willis has had a far more up and down career than Sly or Arnie. Out of the 54 films he's starred in about half of them were outright bombs.

About a third of Sly's movies bombed. His huge international stardom helped turn many of his US under-performers into overseas hits - Rambo III, The Specialist, Daylight. His box office height during the 80s was the biggest period of success for any of the three. His movies also tended to be much more profitable than Arnie's as beginning with T2 Arnie budgets became massive.

Arnie was certainly the most selective of the three and since becoming a star you could only say he hand a handful of bombs - Last Action Hero, Junior, The Sixth Day, Collateral Damage and The Last Stand.

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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 5/2/2013 8:37:36 PM   
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I am starting to wonder if F&F6 might get close to a billion....


me too


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RE: 2013 Box Office Estimates - 5/2/2013 8:56:13 PM   
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quote:

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I am starting to wonder if F&F6 might get close to a billion....


me too




That would be some achievement, if its anything like as good as Fast 5 was its going to be a huge hit for sure

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