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RE: Couldn't help smiling - 18/8/2012 10:45:22 AM   
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Don't think so... I've heard Tony Jaa's movies referred to as 'action porn' before now. Now if they can come up with an action sequence to match the done-in-one multi-storey restaurant fight from Warrior King, I would be impressed.



All that "something porn" stuff - food porn, property porn, car porn, travel porn etc - is pretty dopey though. Does it mean that nice regular porn, with fisting MILF and teenage anal lesbians is ''porn porn''? ''Food porn'' should refer to videos made for those with that sexual kink, whereas "action porn" should surely describe the sort of films that "Brock Landers" starred in.


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RE: Couldn't help smiling - 18/8/2012 12:40:53 PM   
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I saw this film yesterday and agree it's not an arthouse movie by any means but it is a fun action piece that I feel suffers for having to be so short. Yes, it feels disjointed at times – i refere to the scenes which force us to acknowledge that the guys are funny, and the scenes between action feels longer too, but we knew before sitting down that this was not a serious picture with a thought-provoking plot. This simply is an action porn flick. (hey, have I created a new genre!) I feel the film is for 40+ years olds, you know those who obviously grew up watching all those action non-CGI 80s flicks.

I couldn’t help smiling and sitting forward when you had the Willis/Stallone/Schwarzenegger actions scenes. JCVD was the star is the film and he scene-steals the show in the way he kills Hemsworth in a truly original fashion. The fight scene with Stallone/JCVD was savage and is amongst the best. Not enough Jet Li in this one although he delivers at full throttle in opening moments. Obviously not enough Schwarzenegger but I am hopeful for the future. Statham in the church was sheer Baryshnikov. Crewes should have been given more funny lines as he can deliver them much better. Look forward to an extended cut. This is what the first film should have been like.

I wanted to see Dolph Lundgren say to JCVD (‘Don’t I know you?’) in reference to ‘Universal Soldier’. Yeah I know it’s silly but it wouldn’t have been out of place with some of the other dialogue.

Could not understand the use of Fistful of Dollars music when introducing Chuck Norris’s scene (especially when Clint Eastwood is being approached for the 3rd movie) Also while on the subject, Nicholas Cage and Mickey Rourke are both in the 3rd film and Harrison Ford and Wesley Snipes (Demolition Man) are also in talks.

I personally want to see Mel Gibson (Lethal Weapon) in the 3rd film along with Jackie Chan and Clint Eastwood and, if

30+ year olds. You jumped the gun by 10 years.
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RE: Couldn't help smiling - 18/8/2012 11:04:41 PM   
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P.S. I think we all know who Mel Gibson is... no need for the Lethal Weapon in parentheses.


Antisemitic drunkard director of pish films?


Don't forget misogynist!

For the record, I actually like some of Mel Gibson's films... it's just a shame that admitting that makes me feel all dirty nowadays.


What a load of old shit.I couldn't give a toss what Mel Gibson gets up to in his private life,i'm not ashamed that i love Mad Max,or Lethal Weapon,or Braveheart,or Payback.People need to quit with the tabloid bollocks and enjoy the films for what they are.
Get The Gringo's fantastic too.

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RE: Couldn't help smiling - 19/8/2012 3:57:32 AM   
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I think by Gibson's films he meant the ones he directed. And yes, you should be ashamed for liking Braveheart.

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RE: What movie was Empire watching!!?? - 19/8/2012 9:20:29 AM   
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One word to describe this film? AWESOME! It had everything you could ever want with this line up. Cheesy one liners, Check!, Great action, Check! Very little story, Check! Quite frankly any respect that I had left for Empire reviewers has gone out of the window! How the Wedding Video is deemed worthy of more stars is beyond me!


This.

Saw it last night and it was AWESOME! The most purely fun action movie I've seen in ages.I enjoyed it even more than Avengers!

Seeing Sly, Arnie, and Bruce go in guns blazing together was something I'd been waiting all my movie watching life to see and was badass personified!

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RE: Couldn't help smiling - 19/8/2012 10:21:24 AM   
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P.S. I think we all know who Mel Gibson is... no need for the Lethal Weapon in parentheses.


Antisemitic drunkard director of pish films?


Don't forget misogynist!

For the record, I actually like some of Mel Gibson's films... it's just a shame that admitting that makes me feel all dirty nowadays.


What a load of old shit.I couldn't give a toss what Mel Gibson gets up to in his private life,i'm not ashamed that i love Mad Max,or Lethal Weapon,or Braveheart,or Payback.People need to quit with the tabloid bollocks and enjoy the films for what they are.
Get The Gringo's fantastic too.



I like hip-hop, and I know very occasionally rappers can be a bit mischievous or hoe-punchy in real life, but it could be argued that Gibson's...problematic...personal views are evidenced in his work making a straight private life/movie divide difficult. Look at the homophobia in Braveheart, or the accusations of antisemitism leveled at The Passion of the Christ. That said alcoholism is a disease/medical disorder so Mel arguably shouldn't get as much shit for that as he does the other stuff.

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RE: Couldn't help smiling - 19/8/2012 10:33:10 AM   
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P.S. I think we all know who Mel Gibson is... no need for the Lethal Weapon in parentheses.


Antisemitic drunkard director of pish films?


Don't forget misogynist!

For the record, I actually like some of Mel Gibson's films... it's just a shame that admitting that makes me feel all dirty nowadays.


What a load of old shit.I couldn't give a toss what Mel Gibson gets up to in his private life,i'm not ashamed that i love Mad Max,or Lethal Weapon,or Braveheart,or Payback.People need to quit with the tabloid bollocks and enjoy the films for what they are.
Get The Gringo's fantastic too.


Ordinarily I'd agree with you. But his "private" affair's aren't ordinary. When you know that the person playing the hero in a movie has repeatedly threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend, it's a little hard to shake that fact from your head. I'm not one of the people who boycotts his films, because I think when people do things like that, they're the ones that are missing out. I do put that stuff out of my mind when actually watching the films, but it's not easy.

For instance... I don't know of anyone who was ever a Gary Glitter fan, but let's say for instance you were for some reason. Do you think it would be possible to enjoy his music in the same way since his conviction for paedophilia?

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RE: Couldn't help smiling - 19/8/2012 10:41:57 AM   
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For instance... I don't know of anyone who was ever a Gary Glitter fan, but let's say for instance you were for some reason. Do you think it would be possible to enjoy his music in the same way since his conviction for paedophilia?


You don't even to go as out there as Gary Glitter. People have been debating Wagner's antisemitism and what it means for his music for decades (remember the episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm when Larry, whistling a Wagner tune, is accused of being a self-hating Jew?) . The usual approach is to try and make a distinction between the author and his work. It's harder to do when the work itself reflects antisemitism, or homophobia, or whatever.

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RE: Couldn't help smiling - 19/8/2012 10:44:50 AM   
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For instance... I don't know of anyone who was ever a Gary Glitter fan, but let's say for instance you were for some reason. Do you think it would be possible to enjoy his music in the same way since his conviction for paedophilia?


Maybe it wasn't too difficult for most people to not listen to Garry Glitter! But the Who, despite Townsend's being done for accessing child pornography for "research", still seem pretty popular.



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THIS is how you review The Expendables 2, Empire! - 19/8/2012 5:07:42 PM   
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RE: Oh dear Nicholas, oh dear - 19/8/2012 5:21:05 PM   
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Another shockingly inept review from Empire. What film are you expecting? Vertigo? Expendables 2 sets out with the intention of being entertaining, with huge old school action set pieces and tongue in check humour - it succeeds on all counts. Send a movie reviewer who is going to go in with an open positive mind; send someone in judging negatively even before the lights go down and the is the dirge review we're left with. Must do better. Loved the film!


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RE: Couldn't help smiling - 19/8/2012 5:48:52 PM   
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P.S. I think we all know who Mel Gibson is... no need for the Lethal Weapon in parentheses.


Antisemitic drunkard director of pish films?


Don't forget misogynist!

For the record, I actually like some of Mel Gibson's films... it's just a shame that admitting that makes me feel all dirty nowadays.


What a load of old shit.I couldn't give a toss what Mel Gibson gets up to in his private life,i'm not ashamed that i love Mad Max,or Lethal Weapon,or Braveheart,or Payback.People need to quit with the tabloid bollocks and enjoy the films for what they are.
Get The Gringo's fantastic too.



I like hip-hop, and I know very occasionally rappers can be a bit mischievous or hoe-punchy in real life, but it could be argued that Gibson's...problematic...personal views are evidenced in his work making a straight private life/movie divide difficult. Look at the homophobia in Braveheart, or the accusations of antisemitism leveled at The Passion of the Christ. That said alcoholism is a disease/medical disorder so Mel arguably shouldn't get as much shit for that as he does the other stuff.


That's right,there's never been any homophobia in hip hop.

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RE: Couldn't help smiling - 19/8/2012 7:37:59 PM   
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I cant wait to see EX2 again.Fucking loved it!

Four stars.

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RE: Couldn't help smiling - 19/8/2012 8:02:19 PM   
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P.S. I think we all know who Mel Gibson is... no need for the Lethal Weapon in parentheses.


Antisemitic drunkard director of pish films?


Don't forget misogynist!

For the record, I actually like some of Mel Gibson's films... it's just a shame that admitting that makes me feel all dirty nowadays.


What a load of old shit.I couldn't give a toss what Mel Gibson gets up to in his private life,i'm not ashamed that i love Mad Max,or Lethal Weapon,or Braveheart,or Payback.People need to quit with the tabloid bollocks and enjoy the films for what they are.
Get The Gringo's fantastic too.



I like hip-hop, and I know very occasionally rappers can be a bit mischievous or hoe-punchy in real life, but it could be argued that Gibson's...problematic...personal views are evidenced in his work making a straight private life/movie divide difficult. Look at the homophobia in Braveheart, or the accusations of antisemitism leveled at The Passion of the Christ. That said alcoholism is a disease/medical disorder so Mel arguably shouldn't get as much shit for that as he does the other stuff.


That's right,there's never been any homophobia in hip hop.


But people who don't want to hear lyrics about "fags" can choose not to listen to the music. Would you agree that a card-carrying GLAAD member might, for similar reasons, find Braveheart objectionable in and of itself, meaning that it's not just a case of people unfairly taking issue with Mel's "private life"?


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RE: Couldn't help smiling - 19/8/2012 8:10:10 PM   
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Fucks sake cerebusboy and Axelreznor! Can you cut out these stupid non topic related arguments and save them for the appropriate thread? This is a review thread for Expendables 2!

Anyway in an attempt to actually discuss the film...i thought it was ace and respectively disagree with Nick De Semelyns review.

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RE: Couldn't help smiling - 19/8/2012 8:19:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AxlReznor




P.S. I think we all know who Mel Gibson is... no need for the Lethal Weapon in parentheses.


Antisemitic drunkard director of pish films?


Don't forget misogynist!

For the record, I actually like some of Mel Gibson's films... it's just a shame that admitting that makes me feel all dirty nowadays.


What a load of old shit.I couldn't give a toss what Mel Gibson gets up to in his private life,i'm not ashamed that i love Mad Max,or Lethal Weapon,or Braveheart,or Payback.People need to quit with the tabloid bollocks and enjoy the films for what they are.
Get The Gringo's fantastic too.



I like hip-hop, and I know very occasionally rappers can be a bit mischievous or hoe-punchy in real life, but it could be argued that Gibson's...problematic...personal views are evidenced in his work making a straight private life/movie divide difficult. Look at the homophobia in Braveheart, or the accusations of antisemitism leveled at The Passion of the Christ. That said alcoholism is a disease/medical disorder so Mel arguably shouldn't get as much shit for that as he does the other stuff.


That's right,there's never been any homophobia in hip hop.


Aside from which, you could say that Eminem is both "homophobic" and excellent, whilst Braveheart is rubbish and homophobic. Someone might be able to tolerate a film that is "just" not-very-good, or "just" homophobic, but Braveheart (it could be argued) has its general crappiness compounded by homphobia.

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RE: Couldn't help smiling - 19/8/2012 8:27:08 PM   
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Fucks sake cerebusboy and Axelreznor! Can you cut out these stupid non topic related arguments and save them for the appropriate thread? This is a review thread for Expendables 2!

Anyway in an attempt to actually discuss the film...i thought it was ace and respectively disagree with Nick De Semelyns review.



sorry! I'm actually not long back from seeing Expendables 2 and......I think Empire are indeed wide of the mark. The first Expendables was, as Empire said, largely pish, but this one fixed all of its problems (take pacing: in Expendables 2 we start with a brilliant, proper action scene!), the META stuff wasn't too heavy (the King Cobra line made for a bad-ass introduction even if you think "Chuck Norris facts" sucked 4 years ago). I disagree that the new guy had too much time devoted to him too. He allowed Stallone's character to show a paternal side (which wouldn't have worked with the other guys) and his death gave their mission greater meaning than just chasing down a macguffin. And how badass was the final fight? I hope JCVD fans don't feel like their guy went out too easy, Stallone, after all, had to use a knife AND a chain to beat him! The Chinese Chick was decent too, glad they didn't try and do a full-blown love interest story.

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RE: Oh dear Nicholas, oh dear - 19/8/2012 8:29:11 PM   
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Another shockingly inept review from Empire. What film are you expecting? Vertigo? Expendables 2 sets out with the intention of being entertaining, with huge old school action set pieces and tongue in check humour - it succeeds on all counts.



I think this guy has a point. The first Expendables you could say tried to be a great action movie but didn't really succeed but,taken on its own merits, Expendables 2 definitely delivers.
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RE: i don't seem to agree with Empire anymore - 19/8/2012 9:48:35 PM   
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The Expendables, who comprise Barney Ross, Lee Christmas, Yin Yang, Hale Ceaser, Toll Road, Gunner Jensen and Billy the Kid, the group’s youngest and newest member, are deployed to rescue a Chinese businessman. They carry out their task, though Yin departs from the group. Ross accepts a mission from Mr. Church to retrieve an item from a safe from an airplane that was shot down in Albania. The team, accompanied by tech genius Maggie, retrieve the item from the airplane; their victory is short-lived, when one of their number is captured and executed by Jean Vilain, who intends to retrieve the item. The Expendables swear revenge; Maggie reveals the item on the plane was a computer, containing a blueprint to an abandoned mine which contains plutonium…..



The Expendables was a hoot, a real fun, action romp, though it didn’t quite reach the heights it should have done. Maybe it was because it was a little bit too serious for the concept [get as many old action guys together as you can]. Maybe because star Sylvester Stallone’s direction went for the tiresome ‘fast cutting, shakycam” style that has infected modern action cinema like a virus [blame Paul Greengrass mostly for this, though he usually did it well] and therefore didn’t make the film feel very much like an 80’s throwback very much at all, a supposed throwback to the days when action heroes were “proper” men, not the more sensitive, non-muscular type you mostly get now, a throwback to those great days where [if you are of a certain age], it wasn’t just the likes of Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger who were blowing up the box office and who you loved, but folk like Chuck Norris and Michael Dudikoff [remember him?], whose product would adorn the shelves of video stores. Maybe….well, it’s hard to totally pinpoint the reason, but the fact that such a film, which ‘trendy’ critics just laughed at, did good box office, was still to me a cause for celebration [I’m trying not to mention two certain words, the first rhyming with “got”, the second ending with “rim”, here] and the general idea was roll on the second movie, it’ll deliver totally.

Well, The Expendables 2 is a slightly better film. It’s not substantially better, but, to be honest, how good could it really be? In some ways it’s more of the same, and in some ways it isn’t. It has a more jokey tone; you certainly can’t accuse this one of being too serious. There is perhaps slightly less action, though certainly not as much less as some say. Far more than film number one, this is a tribute to the 80’s action film, albeit one that feels like far more like one of the many action films to come from the Cannon Group [if you were a devotee of action movies in the 80’s you’ll need no further elaboration!], especially when they were under the auspices of Menaham Golan and Yoram Globus, then the bigger budgeted Hollywood kind. I totally had a ball with The Expendables 2, which knows it’s ridiculous and ‘goes with it’. If you expect a truly ‘great’ action movie you will probably be disappointed; I’m not sure you could make a classic of the genre using the basic concept that these movies have . Of course the majority of critics have already poured scorn on it, but they have rarely liked the purely ‘fun’ genres like action and horror have they?

Instead of Stallone, we have Simon West as director here, and though he’s hardly a household name, he did direct one of the defining action movies of the 90’s, the totally awesome Con Air. Therefore you would expect The Expendables 2 to be in very firm hands, though West, obviously restricted by the script, doesn’t match the earlier film. Still, right from the offset, he shows up the poor filming of many of the first film’s action with stuff that you can actually see. The cutting is fast, in the manner of Michael Bay, but precise; you can tell what is happening, and there’s no epileptic shaking the camera around! This early part of the film is joyously over the top and absurd with its sustained action, replete with the best bike/helicopter gag since Tomorrow Never Dies and the giving us of the knowledge that, whilst abseiling, it is still possible to still hit one’s target when using an automatic weapon with the hand that is free. We even get to see Jet Li in some decent Hong Kong-style fighting, even if it’s a little short.

After twenty-odd minutes of explosive mayhem the film slows down and stays that way for a period of time which seems to have disappointed some, but I enjoyed spending time with these guys and I actually wished that some of their scenes, such as one in which they discuss what their last meal would be, were longer. The plot is basic in the extreme and borrows from some unexpected sources like Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom [or maybe not unexpected; it’s a great 80’s action movie , isn’t it?], and it’s patently obvious that elements of the script were changed a great deal. For example, Jet Li was contracted to appear in this sequel, but, not being too fond of the first film, asked to be written out. Therefore he disappears a quarter of the way through but is somewhat replaced by a female character called Maggie, who fulfils the “token Asian” role and seems to be on the verge of adding some pointless romantic relief [of course the guy is twice her age] but it isn’t developed. Not that I’m complaining about the inclusion of the lovely Nan Yu though!

There’s much wondering about and emphasis on bursts of action which contain crowd-pleasing laughs, rather than sustained excitement, but when you have Chuck Norris [who certainly doesn’t seem 72] turn up to randomly blast away some villains and a tank and tell a Chuck Norris joke [you know the ones], it’s hard to complain. The action returns with a vengeance around two thirds of the way through, and you’ll be pleased to know Schwarzenegger and Bruce Willis take part this time. The sight of those two and Stallone, standing together, blasting away at hundred of baddies, almost made me want to hit the roof in joy. There’s actually far more blood on display in this film, with good old-fashioned squibs jarring somewhat with the fake-looking CG blood, and we get to see lots of heads and whole bodies being blown apart , but no swearing….Norris’s influence, I guess, and actually I didn’t miss it. There’s less brawling but Jason Statham has one of the coolest fights he’s ever had in a church, and he and Stallone have fine duels in the final reels. I doubt the fact that Stallone battles Jean-Claude Van Damme counts as a spoiler, but it’s a fantastic fight, brutal yet somewhat graceful, a balletic display of movement which combines the best of both the Eastern and the Western styles of fight choreography, and if you’ve ever wondered what the plane fight from Raiders Of The Lost Ark would be like if Spielberg hadn’t cut away at a certain moment, you will be partially satisfied in this movie.

There is a wonderful sense of fun in this film, as if everyone is just enjoying themselves. The action legends gleefully mock themselves throughout, with well known one-liners bandied about, though the bit I laughed at most was when Arnie opens a car door…and pulls the whole door off in one. Visually Expendables 2 feels somewhat restricted by the blue and grey pallet that West and his cinematographer seem to have decided upon for the film, and some may miss the intensity that the first film had. Not all the acting comes off, and Van Damme appears to have some very excessive make-up. I’ll admit that, on a certain level, this picture is nonsense, but as probably an example of the main target audience, I also loved it. It finishes with comments about the stars belonging in a museum, which some may say is true, but I’d certainly like to see the exhibits come back to life again., with….Cage, Eastwood…the possibilities are endless. Hell yeah!

Rating: 8/10

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 19/8/2012 10:03:48 PM   
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Another shockingly inept review from Empire. What film are you expecting? Vertigo? Expendables 2 sets out with the intention of being entertaining, with huge old school action set pieces and tongue in check humour - it succeeds on all counts.



I think this guy has a point. The first Expendables you could say tried to be a great action movie but didn't really succeed but,taken on its own merits, Expendables 2 definitely delivers.


No he doesn't.

What's the writer supposed to do? Give it a free pass because it's only meant to be a bit of fun and not Citizen Kane? He wouldn't be much of a film critic if he did that.

Although I will give Leland points for mixing it up a little by replacing Kane with Vertigo.

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RE: Oh dear Nicholas, oh dear - 19/8/2012 10:17:31 PM   
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What film are you expecting? Vertigo?


Vertigo truly has arrived. Fuck you Citizen Kane.
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RE: The Expendables 2 - 19/8/2012 10:45:04 PM   
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Another shockingly inept review from Empire. What film are you expecting? Vertigo? Expendables 2 sets out with the intention of being entertaining, with huge old school action set pieces and tongue in check humour - it succeeds on all counts.



I think this guy has a point. The first Expendables you could say tried to be a great action movie but didn't really succeed but,taken on its own merits, Expendables 2 definitely delivers.


No he doesn't.

What's the writer supposed to do? Give it a free pass because it's only meant to be a bit of fun and not Citizen Kane? He wouldn't be much of a film critic if he did that.

Although I will give Leland points for mixing it up a little by replacing Kane with Vertigo.


I would say he wouldn't be much of a film critic if he presupposed, madly, that action films do/must aspire to be like Citizen Kane. The first expendables tried to be an excellent fun action film, and failed. This however succeeded (IMHO, YMMV etc etc) . I'm not arguing for free passes.

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RE: Oh dear Nicholas, oh dear - 19/8/2012 10:47:16 PM   
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What film are you expecting? Vertigo?


Vertigo truly has arrived. Fuck you Citizen Kane.



It's a shame Kane doesn't have a low star rating on Empire just so someone could post "2 stars?! What were you expecting?! Vertigo?! "

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 19/8/2012 10:50:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat


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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


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ORIGINAL: lelandmeeks

Another shockingly inept review from Empire. What film are you expecting? Vertigo? Expendables 2 sets out with the intention of being entertaining, with huge old school action set pieces and tongue in check humour - it succeeds on all counts.



I think this guy has a point. The first Expendables you could say tried to be a great action movie but didn't really succeed but,taken on its own merits, Expendables 2 definitely delivers.


No he doesn't.

What's the writer supposed to do? Give it a free pass because it's only meant to be a bit of fun and not Citizen Kane? He wouldn't be much of a film critic if he did that.

Although I will give Leland points for mixing it up a little by replacing Kane with Vertigo.


And in the guy's defence that Read Before Posting spiel here says that star ratings are supposed to reflect "potential achieved", suggesting that Expendables 2 should be judged on the "brainless action movie" rather than Greatest Films of All Time one. Would you use the same criteria to judge The Tree of Life and DOA: Dead or Alive?

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 19/8/2012 10:52:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


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ORIGINAL: lelandmeeks

Another shockingly inept review from Empire. What film are you expecting? Vertigo? Expendables 2 sets out with the intention of being entertaining, with huge old school action set pieces and tongue in check humour - it succeeds on all counts.



I think this guy has a point. The first Expendables you could say tried to be a great action movie but didn't really succeed but,taken on its own merits, Expendables 2 definitely delivers.


No he doesn't.

What's the writer supposed to do? Give it a free pass because it's only meant to be a bit of fun and not Citizen Kane? He wouldn't be much of a film critic if he did that.

Although I will give Leland points for mixing it up a little by replacing Kane with Vertigo.


And in the guy's defence that Read Before Posting spiel here says that star ratings are supposed to reflect "potential achieved", suggesting that Expendables 2 should be judged on the "brainless action movie" rather than Greatest Films of All Time one. Would you use the same criteria to judge The Tree of Life and DOA: Dead or Alive?


I mean, I can remember strongly disagreeing with Empire's low rating for Bruno. In the last analysis a comedy's main job is to be funny, which it was, so the supposed lack of Borat-esque sociological interesting subtext is really not that important.

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 19/8/2012 11:03:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat


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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: lelandmeeks

Another shockingly inept review from Empire. What film are you expecting? Vertigo? Expendables 2 sets out with the intention of being entertaining, with huge old school action set pieces and tongue in check humour - it succeeds on all counts.



I think this guy has a point. The first Expendables you could say tried to be a great action movie but didn't really succeed but,taken on its own merits, Expendables 2 definitely delivers.


No he doesn't.

What's the writer supposed to do? Give it a free pass because it's only meant to be a bit of fun and not Citizen Kane? He wouldn't be much of a film critic if he did that.

Although I will give Leland points for mixing it up a little by replacing Kane with Vertigo.


And in the guy's defence that Read Before Posting spiel here says that star ratings are supposed to reflect "potential achieved", suggesting that Expendables 2 should be judged on the "brainless action movie" rather than Greatest Films of All Time one. Would you use the same criteria to judge The Tree of Life and DOA: Dead or Alive?


I mean, I can remember strongly disagreeing with Empire's low rating for Bruno. In the last analysis a comedy's main job is to be funny, which it was, so the supposed lack of Borat-esque sociological interesting subtext is really not that important.



You've just contradicted yourself. On one hand you're saying that a film should be judged within the context of similar films, and then you say that Bruno should be judged purely as a comedy ... when you admit yourself it's social satire and not straight comedy. Which is why it gets marked down.

Regardless of that, it doesn't matter what the context, a film should still deliver on all levels, it doesn't matter whether or not it's Citizen Kane or Scary Movie. One day I might want a $100 steak and another I might want a McDonald's burger. I know the burger is just a bit of trashy enjoyment, but I'd still expect all the component parts to be top notch. And Expendables 2 definitely has its fair share of stale bun

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 19/8/2012 11:05:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat


quote:

ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


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ORIGINAL: lelandmeeks

Another shockingly inept review from Empire. What film are you expecting? Vertigo? Expendables 2 sets out with the intention of being entertaining, with huge old school action set pieces and tongue in check humour - it succeeds on all counts.



I think this guy has a point. The first Expendables you could say tried to be a great action movie but didn't really succeed but,taken on its own merits, Expendables 2 definitely delivers.


No he doesn't.

What's the writer supposed to do? Give it a free pass because it's only meant to be a bit of fun and not Citizen Kane? He wouldn't be much of a film critic if he did that.

Although I will give Leland points for mixing it up a little by replacing Kane with Vertigo.


And in the guy's defence that Read Before Posting spiel here says that star ratings are supposed to reflect "potential achieved", suggesting that Expendables 2 should be judged on the "brainless action movie" rather than Greatest Films of All Time one. Would you use the same criteria to judge The Tree of Life and DOA: Dead or Alive?


I mean, I can remember strongly disagreeing with Empire's low rating for Bruno. In the last analysis a comedy's main job is to be funny, which it was, so the supposed lack of Borat-esque sociological interesting subtext is really not that important.



You've just contradicted yourself. On one hand you're saying that a film should be judged within the context of similar films, and then you say that Bruno should be judged purely as a comedy ... when you admit yourself it's social satire and not straight comedy. Which is why it gets marked down.

Regardless of that, it doesn't matter what the context, a film should still deliver on all levels, it doesn't matter whether or not it's Citizen Kane or Scary Movie. One day I might want a $100 steak and another I might want a McDonald's burger. I know the burger is just a bit of trashy enjoyment, but I'd still expect all the component parts to be top notch. And Expendables 2 definitely has its fair share of stale bun


Your first point however suggests that I've chosen the wrong criteria to judge Bruno within, not that using such criteria is in itself wrong. And satire is a form of comedy.

I think Expendables 2 is an excellent burger

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 19/8/2012 11:07:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat


quote:

ORIGINAL: cerebusboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: lelandmeeks

Another shockingly inept review from Empire. What film are you expecting? Vertigo? Expendables 2 sets out with the intention of being entertaining, with huge old school action set pieces and tongue in check humour - it succeeds on all counts.



I think this guy has a point. The first Expendables you could say tried to be a great action movie but didn't really succeed but,taken on its own merits, Expendables 2 definitely delivers.


No he doesn't.

What's the writer supposed to do? Give it a free pass because it's only meant to be a bit of fun and not Citizen Kane? He wouldn't be much of a film critic if he did that.

Although I will give Leland points for mixing it up a little by replacing Kane with Vertigo.


And in the guy's defence that Read Before Posting spiel here says that star ratings are supposed to reflect "potential achieved", suggesting that Expendables 2 should be judged on the "brainless action movie" rather than Greatest Films of All Time one. Would you use the same criteria to judge The Tree of Life and DOA: Dead or Alive?


I mean, I can remember strongly disagreeing with Empire's low rating for Bruno. In the last analysis a comedy's main job is to be funny, which it was, so the supposed lack of Borat-esque sociological interesting subtext is really not that important.



You've just contradicted yourself. On one hand you're saying that a film should be judged within the context of similar films, and then you say that Bruno should be judged purely as a comedy ... when you admit yourself it's social satire and not straight comedy. Which is why it gets marked down.

Regardless of that, it doesn't matter what the context, a film should still deliver on all levels, it doesn't matter whether or not it's Citizen Kane or Scary Movie. One day I might want a $100 steak and another I might want a McDonald's burger. I know the burger is just a bit of trashy enjoyment, but I'd still expect all the component parts to be top notch. And Expendables 2 definitely has its fair share of stale bun


Your first point however suggests that I've chosen the wrong criteria to judge Bruno within, not that using such criteria is in itself wrong. And satire is a form of comedy.

I think Expendables 2 is an excellent burger



Aside from which one could say that a "social satire comedy" is STILL a comedy, meaning that it should still LARGELY be judged on how funny it is - "social satire comedy" hardly necessarily implies a marking system where "sociological subtext" and "how funny" are necessarily of equal weight.

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 19/8/2012 11:12:14 PM   
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But you wouldn't compare Dumb and Dumber with The Life Aquatic or Stranger than Fiction with Kevin and Perry. It's like comparing chips with doughnuts. They have to be taken on their own merits and by that token the only criteria should be those upon which all film is judged. Story. Character. Structure. Dialogue. Etc, etc. (Although, even as I write that, I'm suddenly realising that something like Star Wars IV would probably score a 2 out of 5 on that basis!)

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 19/8/2012 11:19:03 PM   
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But you wouldn't compare Dumb and Dumber with The Life Aquatic or Stranger than Fiction with Kevin and Perry. It's like comparing chips with doughnuts. They have to be taken on their own merits and by that token the only criteria should be those upon which all film is judged. Story. Character. Structure. Dialogue. Etc, etc. (Although, even as I write that, I'm suddenly realising that something like Star Wars IV would probably score a 2 out of 5 on that basis!)



Exactly. Story, Character, Structure, Dialogue etc are things people are told in school you need in good stories. They are not 'Objective' criteria. Aside from which people can disagree on what is a 'good' story and so on. Take the 3 act structure. People have cited the Dark Knight's deviance from it as a dramatic flaw, but couldn't you equally say that slavish devotion to the 3 act structure is a bit cliched and therefore a dramatic failing?

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