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RE: The Expendables 2 - 20/8/2012 1:38:36 PM   
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Anyway!

One of the questions I have about the Expendables - just where did all those bad guys come from to be shoot by the heroes? Not that I minded.

Still wish they had gone for blood squibs.


I think that was my main problem with Expendables 2 (although I might be getting squeamish in my old age as I had exactly the same complaints about Drive ... this is probably the one and only time in history Drive and Expendables 2 have been mentioned in the same breath!)

It had that daft 80s tongue in cheek feel down to a tee (making up for the main fault of the first which took itself too seriously), but I found some of the violence just a bit gratuitous. Blood is fine, but brain matter and eviscerated bodies, that's just a bit too Black Hawk Down for my liking and it just felt a bit out of place.

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 20/8/2012 1:39:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

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Anyway!

One of the questions I have about the Expendables - just where did all those bad guys come from to be shoot by the heroes? Not that I minded.

Still wish they had gone for blood squibs.


Doesn't the afterlife make it a Four Act Structure? Plus you get 'creation' AND evolution!

I thought the blood was ok. The first movie had that crap fake fire effect, but the CGI seemed a lot better this time.

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 20/8/2012 1:58:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Prophet_of_Doom

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

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Anyway!

One of the questions I have about the Expendables - just where did all those bad guys come from to be shoot by the heroes? Not that I minded.

Still wish they had gone for blood squibs.


I think that was my main problem with Expendables 2 (although I might be getting squeamish in my old age as I had exactly the same complaints about Drive ... this is probably the one and only time in history Drive and Expendables 2 have been mentioned in the same breath!)

It had that daft 80s tongue in cheek feel down to a tee (making up for the main fault of the first which took itself too seriously), but I found some of the violence just a bit gratuitous. Blood is fine, but brain matter and eviscerated bodies, that's just a bit too Black Hawk Down for my liking and it just felt a bit out of place.


But don't those type of films (those starred in by the stars) have a history of doing this kind of stuff and people getting off on it? I wouldn't, personally, include Drive because I don't think the audience are supposed to react in the same way as they would to The Expendables. It's a bit like the difference between understanding violence isn't nice and has consequences and the 'hurrah! another zero hits the dust, look how I blew bits off him, go me' type film.

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 20/8/2012 2:08:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Prophet_of_Doom

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

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Anyway!

One of the questions I have about the Expendables - just where did all those bad guys come from to be shoot by the heroes? Not that I minded.

Still wish they had gone for blood squibs.


I think that was my main problem with Expendables 2 (although I might be getting squeamish in my old age as I had exactly the same complaints about Drive ... this is probably the one and only time in history Drive and Expendables 2 have been mentioned in the same breath!)

It had that daft 80s tongue in cheek feel down to a tee (making up for the main fault of the first which took itself too seriously), but I found some of the violence just a bit gratuitous. Blood is fine, but brain matter and eviscerated bodies, that's just a bit too Black Hawk Down for my liking and it just felt a bit out of place.


But don't those type of films (those starred in by the stars) have a history of doing this kind of stuff and people getting off on it? I wouldn't, personally, include Drive because I don't think the audience are supposed to react in the same way as they would to The Expendables. It's a bit like the difference between understanding violence isn't nice and has consequences and the 'hurrah! another zero hits the dust, look how I blew bits off him, go me' type film.


I suppose I was thinking of films like Commando which has Arnie obliterating about 1000 men, with hardly so much as a drop of blood being shown. That said, there is the famous "let off some steam" moment and isn't there a moment with the blade of a lawnmower being thrown at someone's head (or is that Predator?!?!) So maybe I'm looking back with rose tinted spectacles. There are films like Total Recall which are just edging into the schlock horror genre and push the violence and thus are an unfair comparison. I don't know, I just think that this is the kind of thing I would have loved when I was a young teen, but that the extreme violence would probably have scarred me for life!


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RE: The Expendables 2 - 20/8/2012 2:10:49 PM   
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I'm not an expert on Arnie films (one view and bin for me normally) but, me? I'm guessing the lawnmower throwing did not take place in the middle of the Predator jungle

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 20/8/2012 2:26:21 PM   
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I'm not an expert on Arnie films (one view and bin for me normally) but, me? I'm guessing the lawnmower throwing did not take place in the middle of the Predator jungle


Smart arse ... Predator starts with them attacking some camp type thing so it was possible! That said, I've checked and not only was it in Commando, but there are some pretty nasty scenes of violence in there too. Involving a mower blade and machete! So it seems I was completely wrong ... which can only mean that witnessing scenes of extreme violence in my youth has not desensitized me, it's made me more sensitive to it in my old age!

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RE: Hideous, pointless, what a waste... - 20/8/2012 7:40:11 PM   
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The worst film in cinema since the last Expendables. Dreadful script and dialogue, flat acting and very awkward in joke exchanges (especially between Arnie and Bruce). It's simply not enough to just have action and ultra violence. Done like this, it's just boring. Simon West had it ok with Con Air. He should be deeply ashamed of this result. And the 3 minute shoehorning in of people like Chuck Norris defies description.

No one will see this twice.




Speak for yourself.I am going to see it again next week and it will be an instant purchase for me when it hits Blu Ray.

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RE: EXPENDABLE....... - 21/8/2012 4:39:20 PM   
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It really does feel silly to raise points about the film - but my favourite is

Why do the bad guys need more civillians for the the mine, when the scene just before has them announcing they have the material.

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 22/8/2012 10:09:06 PM   
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What does DONOVAN KURTWOOD have to say?!


Probably waiting for the Blu-Ray.


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RE: EXPENDABLE....... - 23/8/2012 5:46:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

It really does feel silly to raise points about the film - but my favourite is

Why do the bad guys need more civillians for the the mine, when the scene just before has them announcing they have the material.



Aren't they locking all the civilians down the mine presumably to cover their tracks?

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RE: Too old??? Get Fuckin real! - 24/8/2012 5:37:14 PM   
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LOVED IT!!! Frickin awesome and a great feeling of nostalgia as I remembered my younger days watching these meatheads blowing the shite out of folks! Best opening to a movie I've seen all year. Beat the shit out of that mediocre Avengers pap...bring on part 3. Love listening to folks whining about them being 'too old' are Bruce, Crews, Lundgren, Couture, Li, Statham n Van Damme at retirement age? Are they fuck!!! You don't like balls out action, go n cream over lycra!



I find it weird more than one poster has seemed to invoke an Avengers/Expendables 2 dichotomy. Expendables wasn't exactly hard certificate 18 action in contrast to fluffy Avengers! In fact, I'd say both movies have lots of similarities as movies that restrict their ambitions to being very entertaining, with lots of jokes and explosions, but indeed manage to do that, although obviously neither are up there with a genuine masterpiece like Dark Knight Rises.

It's a shame that Rosie Huntington-Whitely wasn't in the movie though, especially since the Sly and the Chinese Woman thing wasn't even like a proper romance sub-plot. It didn't go anywhere, and there wasn't even a sex scene (maybe born-again Christian Chuck Norris objected ?) Read recently that Rosie has an even hotter sister - would be cool if the Stath got to have a three-way!

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 28/8/2012 12:05:02 PM   
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Better than the first, but still suffers from all the same problems, only to a lesser degree.

My main gripe is the same one I had with the original, the tone lurches awkwardly from tongue in-cheek to overtly serious at the drop of a hat. There's nothing here that sticks out quite as badly as Mickey Rourke's monologue from the original (thank god), but it's not far off at times, usually when Stallone is (yet again) getting all down and moody to some of the worst dialogue I've genuinely ever heard. I've got no problem with a film taking a darker, moodier turn, but in a supposed 80's action throwback like this it just doesn't sit right, the tone needs to be kept light, otherwise it just doesn't work.

Sweeping that aside for a moment, it's relatively entertaining overall I'd say. The Chuck Norris cameo generates a few chuckles, as does Crews etc. Van Damme is a decent albeit wasted bad guy and the action sequences are voilent enough to produce some sadistic laughs, even if 99% of the bloodshed in this film seems to have been added digitally (and sometimes badly) in post production.

It was ok.

2.5/5

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RE: Chuck Norris said no? - 30/8/2012 11:11:47 PM   
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I thought it was going to be PG-13 "'cause Chuck Norris said so."? But in NZ it's R16 for Graphic Violence and I see it's 15 in UK.



The director said Chuck, as a conservative Christian, just has a problem with blasphemy - and, in fairness, there isn't any of that in Expendables 2.
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RE: Chuck Norris said no? - 2/9/2012 9:15:48 PM   
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Awesome fun and it has the Oscars wrapped up. Anyone who dislikes these films has no willie. Or no boobs for any female haters.



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RE: EXPENDABLE....... - 3/9/2012 1:18:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

It really does feel silly to raise points about the film - but my favourite is

Why do the bad guys need more civillians for the the mine, when the scene just before has them announcing they have the material.


Was it?

I thought Van Damme nicked the maps of the mines and then during the next scene in the mines, they kill a couple of tired villagers and confirm they need more because now they have the mps they know the exact location and Van Damme wants the stuff out in three days or some such?

Not that it matters, the story and overall plot are pretty redundant here and it's a thin excuse to link together a few action sequences that are really nothing more than waves of men shooting at each other in various locations. The action is particularly imaginitive or spectacular, it's pretty by the numbers, with the opening sequence being the best, and most ridiculous, of them (Just why did the team split up, with some taking to the water in boats/jet-ski's, whilst Barney/Christmas went to the plane to then act as an extracion for the guys in boats? Why didn't they all just head to the plane??) and all those before the finale never measured up. The finale itself is pretty low key and is again just guys shooting at each from various positions, but it's improved by the appearance of Arnie and Willis and the one on one between Van Damme and Stallone. Van Damme for me as the best thing in it and needed more screen time. Another action scene during the films dull mid-secton was needed, and it needed to include Van Damme sticking it to the team more, beating them again to make that finale pay back seem sweeter. The punch up between Van Damme and Stallone was too brief and never really allowed JCVD to come out on top and act as a real threat. I was really loving JCVD every moment he was on screen, the guy needs to be doing more big budget work, especially as his bad guy chops are so good here. Anothr mis-step was the dismissal of Jet Li, he kicks ass for a few minutes then buggers off never to be seen again. It's certainly flawed as hell but, I had a good time with it, and it's an easy enough 2 hours to kill and it improved on the formula set up in the first movie. I'd happily sit through a third I reckon and if those rumours of Wesley Snipes taking a bad guy role are true, I think it would be great. Sign that mad fucker up now......if he isn't actually in jail or something.....

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 31/10/2012 4:30:35 PM   
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Lock up your grandmothers! Action cinema’s answer to The Rolling Stones are back! Or is that Last of the Summer Wine? Yup, it’s The Expendables 2. It wasn’t like that in their day. Stallone re-fought the Vietnam War for the likes of you - single-handed! Mutter, mumble, moan…

After the lacklustre Expendables which was only medium-octane at best, Sly’s superannuated steroid cases have had a much-needed injection of action adrenalin. Or is that violent Viagra? HRT-tastic!

The critics have been a bit sniffy about The Expendables 2, especially the knowingly lame/smug catchphrase-heavy “humour” which was such a feature of the 80s originals. So what if the groan-inducing dumb-liners are witless? (And that Jet Li “Chinese takeaway” gag was old in the 70s.) It just adds to the retro charm. The Expendables 2 is dumb-but-fun in a shit sorta way. “This is embarrassing!” Talk about tempting fate. And yet, The Expendables 2 does grow on you. Its very lameness becomes endearing after a while.

“I now pronounce you… man and knife,” was good though. The only decent one-liner in the entire film. Probably why it was in the trailer. It really says something when Jason Statham has to do all the heavy-lifting acting-wise. Which is unfair. Statham actually can act a bit and probably has great things ahead of him which don’t involve kicking people in the head! And there’s a real sense of camaraderie between Sly and The Stath which is actually quite touching. Time was that woulda been “homoerotic.” Now it’s a “bromance.” Or in Stallone’s case, a “Yo-mance!”

The alarmingly Frankenstein-like Dolph Lundgren (aka: The Swedish Meatball) is to acting what Gielgud was to action and stunts. Hang on a sec! What’s he doing here? I know 80s action stars routinely survive otherwise fatal gunshot wounds (The Expendables’ best and subtlest gag), but didn’t he turn psycho, betray his buddies and get a lot of people killed first time around? The Expendables 2 knowingly riffs on Lundgren’s real-life background in chemical engineering too – a maniac with a brain. I just hope he was a better chemist than he is an “actor.”

Dropping by to steal the entire film, literal one-man army, Chuck Norris saves the day while spouting actual Chuck Norris-isms. It’s Chuck’s film. Sly & co just got better billing! Although I was reminded of the old observation that The Lone Wolf doesn’t so much act as point his beard at people. What age is he now? 90? Clint Eastwood should ask for his old theme tune back, though.

Jean Claude Van Damme is also unusually good as the villain, er, Jean Vilain. Subtle. Shoulda called him Pierre Le Cunte! But WTF was JCVD (or VD for short) on about? He was talking so much Ga(r)llic bollocks that I thought he was channelling Eric Cantona. “Peek eet op.” Ooh, hark at Jacques Pallance! VD is the sort of Euro-trash who forces women and children to slave away down his plutonium mine. BOO! HISS! Oh well, I hear Guildford Rep’s still looking for a panto villain this year – oh yes it is!

Old VD really shouldn’t be doing the girly splits at his age, though. Oh… He didn’t, did he? Probably wouldn’t have got back up again if he had. He also kept his shirt on. Tellingly they all did. Heck, Arnie didn’t even take his jacket off! And what was VD’s obsession with sheep all about? Or “ship” as he insisted on calling them. I thought he was Belgian not Welsh! BA-DOOM, Tschhhhh…

Randy Coutoure sounds like a French porn star while Terry Crews sounds like a gay one. (Why does Crews always look like someone just farted? Maybe it was the script. Or the reviews…) When I first heard about The Expendables I groaned at the thought of so many WWF stars being in it - presumably to make up the numbers when VD and Seagal acted all huffy and prima-donna-ish. (Allegedly.) But it turned out they were quite good. Wrestlers can act! Who’d have thunk? It has to be said that The Expendables 2 is the best thing a lot of these guys have ever done. Which isn’t saying much, but still…

And there’s more self-deprecating humour than you’d maybe expect with so many delicate male egos around. As well as the inevitable groaners about their age (“That thing belongs in a museum/We all do”), incredibly there were sly digs about Stallone’s height. Geddit? Sly? Oh, please yourself. And even a joke about “male pattern baldness.” Well what do they expect with all that testosterone floating around? It’s a wonder any of them have hair at all. Although one or two of them do look like they were put in combat gear then strategically shaved. Three or four actually…

There were so many dinosaurs on screen I thought I was watching Jurassic Park IV! Defiantly unreconstructed and unapologetically macho, if The Expendables 2 was any more 80s, Sly and the boys would all be wearing legwarmers and spangly boob tubes. Wouldn’t have looked out place with exchanges like “I’ll man you up” and “You must want to hurt me real bad.” True to its none-more-macho, homoerotic 80s action roots, The Expendables 2 was inevitably camp as, well, Christmas. Indeed, Sly’s climactic bout of VD was the campest dust-up this side of Commando: “I want my money’s worth/You got it.” Ooh, get her! Handbags at ten paces, girls. (And there was me thinking Sly missed a trick not getting Hans Zimmer to do the score. The Village People more like!)

And speaking of Christmas. I’m surprised the obvious “Christmas has come early this year” gag wasn’t in the first film. As for “Do you know how to carve a turkey?” I don’t know. Better ask Jeremy Renner!

But never mind that shit, what about the action?

Well, the action clichés fly thick and fast. Mostly thick. That opening set-piece battle sequence (complete with muscle cars, er, straight out of Mad Max) was a real belter even if it did go on way too long – shock and yawn? And didn’t The A-Team have pretty much the same opening scene two years ago? Only not as good. The Expendables 2 is more a third-person shooter than a movie. And so much for the smoking ban. There was so much unaccountable smoke in this movie (even outdoors) that I could hardly see anything half the time. Deliberate 80s MTV artiness or an attempt to mask the ravages of time on the aging cast’s faces?

The Expendables 2 also makes the most of its (cheap) Bulgarian locations and director Simon West’s Con Air stylings. A New York backlot in the middle of the former Soviet Union was eerily incongruous and all the more welcome for it. It also made a strange sort of sense – about the only part of this movie that did. And provided a similarly welcome opportunity for some genuinely amusing (if inevitably lame) male bonding. Platonic, of course.

And what’s this? Shooting up a crowded airport and sod the collateral damage? More than a decade on, Hollywood has clearly got over its post-9/11 squeamishness about this sort of thing. Good. I was waiting for a duty free gag which never came though. C’mon. They might be past it, but who didn’t get a wee 80s fanboy tingle watching Arnie, Sly and Bruce blasting away (with Stenna guns!) in the same shot? You really can’t beat a classic. You’re never too old for this shit!

Between the kick-ass/groin-straining action set pieces the plot, such as it is, limps along like Arnie at the end of The Terminator. “What’s the plan?/Track ‘em, find ‘em, kill ‘em!” You tell ‘em, Sly! Now that’s what I call a plot. At least there’s none of the tiresome emotional bollocks which hamstrung the first one, The Stath’s greetin’-faced, pain-in-the-arse girlfriend here thankfully relegated to a blink-and-you-won’t-miss-her cameo. Emotional scenes in this sort of thing are like the talky bits in porn movies – GET ON WITH IT! I ain’t got time to emote.

What few character beats there are inevitably land with a dull thud. Especially when Thor’s wee brother (who looked young enough to be Sly’s carer!) tempts fate by reminiscing about his dead dog/buddies – boo and indeed hoo. He couldn’t have marked his card better if he’d handed out photos of his loved ones. He really shouldn’t have written that letter to his girlfriend. That was like saying “I’ll be right back” in a horror movie.

Young Thor’s fate echoes The Wild Bunch. Just as our wheezing heroes’ subsequent defence of a Russian village from marauders deliberately evokes The Magnificent Seven right down to Sly’s six-shooters and The Stath’s James Coburn-on-steroids knife action.

Indeed, if I have a real criticism of The Expendables it’s they aren’t expendable enough. Like The Magnificent Seven, The Wild Bunch and all those guys-on-a-mission movies this franchise homages (their WWII-style civvies were pure Guns of Navarone), there really should only be one or two of ‘em left alive at the end of each mission. It would give these movies a much-needed, Peckinpah-like, emotional kick if our heroes were mortal and bullets took out some good guys occasionally. Cos it’s just The A-Team otherwise. I pity the fools.

(It really should be Arnie, Sly, Bruce, Chuck, Dolph, VD and Seagal re-making The Magnificent Seven, BTW, not fucking Tom Cruise. Although none of ‘em would want to die, of course!)

I’m not one for nostalgia, but there was something reassuringly familiar and oddly comforting about The Expendables 2. Like popping round to your grandad’s for tea. You might’ve heard the old boy’s stories a hundred times before, but that’s part of his charm. Sure The Expendables 2 is a bit lame (and the 80s originals weren’t?) but it’s also laugh-out-loud funny – “Rest in pieces!” And, yes, it’s predictable. But pleasingly so – you just knew that guy was going to get decapitated by that helicopter and it delivered!

It’s easy to sneer at this stuff, especially if you’re a critic following the herd. But it’s also great, undemanding, unpretentious fun; a real self-mocking crowd-pleaser which ain’t as dumb as it looks and the guiltiest of guilty pleasures this side of Sister Act 2. The packed audience I saw it with lapped this shit up. Maybe critics should try watching films with real audiences occasionally.

And I was hoping The Bourne Legacy would be the dark horse of the summer. Turns out it was this blockbuster. Or hernia-buster. It’s a steroid-aganza. Sorry, stairlift-aganza. Testosterone-tastic, The Expendables 2 isn’t so much hip as hip-replacement. Hasta La Viagra, baby! I’ll be – oo-ya! Me back!

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 22/11/2012 6:28:41 AM   
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Expendables 2

'That thing belongs in a museum'....'we all do'

Although I hate to admit it...no truer words have been said. I have always been a huge huge life long fan of Arnie and JCVD, not so much Stallone, Willis or Lundgren, but overall I've liked them all for various different films. But there does come a point where you gotta step back and wonder, are these guys getting a bit old for this shit?.

Again gotta admit its a HUGE thrill to see Arnie, Willis, Stallone, Lundgren AND now JCVD all together in one film. The added bonus of Adkins, Norris, Li and Statham are like I say...a nice bonus. The only missing person now is Seagal, then the jigsaw will be complete.

Once more I must admit...even though its pure fanboy heaven to see these guys together the thrill doesn't last long. The real crux of the action, what we all wanna see which is all the above guys fighting at the same time, doesn't happen until the finale showdown. When we get there its fun but ultimately rather poorly done in an ultra cheesy semi parody, edging on spoof.

This is the problem the first film had and it gets worse here I'm afraid. When I first heard of this franchise I was hyped for it, I wanted to see a proper homage to 80's action thrillers. What we got was a silly, cheesy, over the top 'G.I.Joe' type explosion fest that wasn't taken seriously. In this sequel its more of the same yet with even more corn, lashings of ham and the most weak basic plot I've come across for some time.

The visuals are impressive no doubt, stunts are manic and in your face with gun porn through the roof...yet again. Of course you don't expect a thought provoking story with high quality acting, we all know what we'll get and the film does what it says on the tin for sure. The problem for me was the whole thing just felt like a long trailer, a collection of flashy set pieces one after another, almost like watching a theme park show in Universal Studio's.

The film basically consists of tonnes of faceless baddies lining up to be gunned to pieces by each member of the Expendable team, one at a time, in a heroic pose. A shameless fusion of constant gun battles one after another with little else in between. Dialog is terrible and really makes the film more of a comedy/parody than decent action film, amusing but frustrating. Norris wasn't really in the film, he merely had a cameo which was pointless and a blatant cold cash-in, seriously his whole sequence was so stupid. I was disappointed we didn't see much of Adkins in action and some one forgot to film Randy Couture but the sight of Arnie back in action warmed my heart...even though he is clearly too old now.

I also noticed that the blood on show was very clearly CGI added after, does this mean that the original version had no blood?. Was this an 'AvP' job and made into a higher rating for the DVD release with the original theatrical version being a watered down affair for a wider audience?. If so that does show how off track they were with this whole concept, like so many other films these days. Why couldn't this whole franchise have been a proper action thriller damn it!!.

Yes I was disappointed yet again, I saw it coming of course and I knew they probably wouldn't go from childish cheese to proper semi serious adult action flick...hope springs eternal, alas!. Despite my negative opinion this film is actually better than the first for what it is. Neither are exactly what I expected but this sequel is definitely slightly more fun than the first, highlight has to be Stallone vs JCVD. To be frank JCVD saves the film with his presence, problem is its all still completely ridiculous when it needn't have been.

I must confess to not seeing bad guys getting obliterated quite as much or as impressively for some time. The heroes empty entire clips (and never run dry) into legions of henchmen that come their way and not one of them gets injured haha. Well Stallone gets hit twice but it seems to have little effect on him. On top of that once again none of the Expendables team gets killed (apart from Hemsworth who's the newbie, so who cares), the team is invincible it seems which for me spoils the film. As I said for the first film, had a couple of them gotten killed off it would make things so much more interesting.

Again the idea is grand but the outcome is so very weak. A loud, bombastic, gun shattering riot of an action flick but in an almost pantomime style of presentation. Yes its fun to a degree but I wanna see hardcore action just like the old days please, not fluff with babyish dialog. 

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 11/12/2012 11:50:37 AM   
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Saw this yesterday having missed it at the cinema. Thought the script was lame. Very very lame, and delivered in a way that makes that line in X Men look like Charlton Heston at his finest. They also really really buggered up the final fight scene. The best thing in the original was when Stallone got his arse kicked by stone cold Steve only for Randy to come in and lay down some serious arse whoopage. Stallone v JCVD? Booooooooooooring. Chuck Norris v JCVD [possibly at the Coloseum in Rome] would have been awesome :)

I think next time I watch it I'll have a couple of beers before hand, and possibly some mates and pizza round too. It might make more sense that way! 2 stars is a fair review in my book.

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 21/12/2012 4:56:41 PM   
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Expendables 2 was much better than the first part. It was still ludicrous and full of plot holes but damn entertaining. I don't think the reviewer understands the puns are supposed to be cringeworthy.

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RE: Chuck Norris said no? - 21/12/2012 4:58:58 PM   
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I thought it was going to be PG-13 "'cause Chuck Norris said so."? But in NZ it's R16 for Graphic Violence and I see it's 15 in UK.



The director said Chuck, as a conservative Christian, just has a problem with blasphemy - and, in fairness, there isn't any of that in Expendables 2.


What a load of crap. So he had no problem with killing tones of people?

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RE: Chuck Norris said no? - 27/12/2012 1:53:23 AM   
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Well, that's conservative Christians for you. And if any conservative Christians have a problem with that, hey, forgive me.

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 27/12/2012 11:16:51 AM   
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Mr Kilby, your review was a fun read.

Probably more fun than the film itself.

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 27/12/2012 1:36:13 PM   
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Watched this again last night.Terrific fun and the airport scene with Sly, Arnie, and Bruce is a bona fide classic action movie moment.Seeing these three legends together on screen kicking arse is something i never thought id live to see!

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 29/12/2012 12:22:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

Mr Kilby, your review was a fun read.

Probably more fun than the film itself.


Ta very much. Like the film itself it was probably a bit OTT. E2 definitely benefited from lowered expectations, though. Sometimes it pays not to get your hopes up. Look what happened to Prometheus - a classic example of The Phantom Menace Syndrome if ever there was one. Which is why I'm currently telling myself that Die Hard 5 (5!?!) will be shit...

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Terrible! - 22/1/2013 12:19:08 PM   
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Quite simply the biggest bag of sh*t my poor eyes have ever laid witness to!
As well as putting all the greatest action heroes together, they've also put a collection of the worst actors in history together too - and by God does it show!
I cared more for every cast member of 'The Raid' in 90 mins than i do for some of these actors now, even after 30yr careers. It was embarrassing!

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 25/2/2013 10:32:21 PM   
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not as good as the 1st movie. overblown action covering a thin plot.

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RE: The Expendables 2 - 25/2/2013 11:59:18 PM   
chris kilby

 

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Wasn't that kind of the point?

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Oh dear - 24/8/2013 11:12:11 PM   
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I know its a little late but I just watched this film and I'm so glad I didn't waste any money doing it, I do love a good action film, Rambo First Blood being an absolute classic, this film was not however anywhere near this league.
I think they got the stars schedules and then wrote the script around them.
The first film was actually pretty good, this one was absolute drivel, Liam Neeson please don't touch this franchise with a barge pole.
If I coud give zero stars I woud, utter s****.

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