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Jaws the Revenages has so many but here are a couple

The Shark stands on it tail How ?

The Shark is killed  when it is speared by a small broken pole then it just explodes.  How ?  

How does the shark know where Ellen Brody is going ?

How does the shark roar ?  when they can't in real life

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ALIEN3 Beginning.
Where did the Egg come from (on the Sulaco) ?

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Alien 3 is still miles better than Aliens though. In my opinion.

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Minority Report.

It is mentioned throughout the film that Anne Lively was murdered at some point near a lake.However late in the film we see how Lively was saved by pre crime before the murder was to occur.But...since it is established that she was killed near a lake just like the pre cogs said, how come Pre crime never stopped it and didnt this prove that the system didnt work after all?

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Total forum meltdown in 3,2,1,...

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Ahh right, I see where you’re coming from about Apes now.

I would still argue it’s not really a plot hole, more of a story sacrifice/contrivance to avoid getting bogged down in (relatively) minor exposition. Whether it was a conscious sacrifice/contrivance is another matter.

As for Deckard having an easy life in Blade Runner – maybe so. But that still doesn’t make it a plot hole. For all we know there was a period when hundreds of replicants tried to get back to Earth and Deckard and his colleagues were very busy indeed. As time wore on and more and more replicants were retired, they may have decided to stop trying to escape and the work for Blade Runners dried up, hence Deckard being retired. At that point, more replicants coming to Earth may well have been unusual. We're never told the period of time between the initial mutiny and Deckard coming out of retirement - the film is set in 2019, the opening crawl says that Nexus 6 were operational "early in the 21st century", so that means the interim period could, arguably, have been 19 years. Which is quite a long time.

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ORIGINAL: NCC1701A

Jaws the Revenages has so many but here are a couple

The Shark stands on it tail How ?

The Shark is killed  when it is speared by a small broken pole then it just explodes.  How ?  

How does the shark know where Ellen Brody is going ?

How does the shark roar ?  when they can't in real life

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Minority Report.

It is mentioned throughout the film that Anne Lively was murdered at some point near a lake.However late in the film we see how Lively was saved by pre crime before the murder was to occur.But...since it is established that she was killed near a lake just like the pre cogs said, how come Pre crime never stopped it and didnt this prove that the system didnt work after all?

There is no plot hole

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The head of precrime hired someone to kill Anne Lively. The precogs saw this, and Pre-crime prevented it. Then the head of precrime then murdered Anne Lively himself, in the same way the precogs had already seen. Because to the casual observer the murder would look the same as the one precrime had just prevented to the precogs handlers it would be dismissed as 'echoes' of the murder that had already been predicted. So, the head of precrime was able to get away with murder,and then erase the minority report that indicated his guilt (agatha was sharper than the other two precogs and saw the truth of who was killing her mother.

Later, Agatha grabs Anderton to make him look at her vision of the murder of her mother, and in doing so sets him on the path to uncovering the truth and setting the precogs free, because the system is vulnerable, like all systems to the corruption of those running it. Precrime was brought down because Lamarr committed a murder in order to keep the system up and running (he didn't want Anne Lively to have her baby back), and arranged a murder in order to prevent the truth of him being a murderer being uncovered.

Because this was possible, the system could no longer be trusted, and by the end of the film, the system was shut down, and all the prisoners released. Lamarr 'faked a prevision' to ensure the system survived and Agatha faked one 'Anderton killing crowe' to bring it down. The only reason there was a 'crowe' involved at all was that Agatha could see the future so well that she knew what would happen if she took a certain course of action (grab Anderton, show him the death of Anne Lively), and the consequences of that action (Anderton Kills Crowe) were presented as a prevision on purpose, to make Lamarr hire someone to be Crowe. Agatha was basically driving the plot, Anderton was her patsy, placed on a conveyor belt set in motion all the way, with his every move in trying to clear his own name already predicted, and determined to be the moves that would shut precrime down and set Agatha and the others free. Anderton being the Patsy and Agatha being the Femme Fatale Protagonist making the good guy do her bidding is why before we even meet Anderton we see Agatha's prevision, then her eye as the opening of the film and her remembering the past as the ending of the film, It's her story all along, pulling Anderton's strings, and giving him a happy ending. It being her story is why the film has a blue tint: we are seeing it through her eyes, as she lies in the pool.

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I think a far more pertinent question would be: what on earth was everyone thinking? Or, if you're into the whole brevity thing - Why...!?!

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Star Trek: First Contact.

Why would the Borg go to all the bother of traveling all the way to earth in just one cubeship and wait until they have been almost defeated before going back in time to stop first contact.Why not just go back in time from their own homeworld and then go to earth and starfleet would be none the wiser.

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I think a far more pertinent question would be: what on earth was everyone thinking? Or, if you're into the whole brevity thing - Why...!?!

It is one of those frightening moments when you're watching a terrible film and you realise that, at some point during the creative process, someone with money looked at the ideas and script presented and said "...well this looks great to me, let's do it!"

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And his quality control - and reputation - has been significantly higher since then as a result. QED.)

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Total forum meltdown in 3,2,1,...

Nup - the forum knows both my Aliens related doubt and love for Alien 3 very well indeed.

And I know I'm not alone in those thoughts...

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Total forum meltdown in 3,2,1,...

Nup - the forum knows both my Aliens related doubt and love for Alien 3 very well indeed.

And I know I'm not alone in those thoughts...

I to have doubts rether I regard Aliens as a classic.
I like it but there is a lingering doubt in my mind about the film as a whole.

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Speaking of Pirates of the Caribbean: if Keira Knightly's had one of the cursed gold coins in her possession since she was a kid, how come she doesn't turn into a skeleton whenever there's a full moon as well?

(Who said: "How would you tell the difference...?")

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Total forum meltdown in 3,2,1,...

Nup - the forum knows both my Aliens related doubt and love for Alien 3 very well indeed.

And I know I'm not alone in those thoughts...

I to have doubts rether I regard Aliens as a classic.
I like it but there is a lingering doubt in my mind about the film as a whole.

Without wanting to send this thread into an Alien saga debate, me and the missus watched the previous four (as well as Dark Star, just for mega completeness' sake - we didn't bother with any AVP, though) in preparation for Prometheus, mainly cos my missus couldn't remember what happened in Alien. I have to say that Aliens has dated for more than any of the others, even Resurrection (and I HATE resurrection), and, watched now, everything about it just feels so weak - it looks dated whilst Alien (made seven years before) still looks fresh, the acting is largely terrible and the script! Wowsers - it sounds like it was written for a ropey straight-to-video C-grade action flick. Its one saving grace is Stan Winston's effects.

I've never been the biggest fan of it, even when I was lapping up 80s action films, but I always used to think it was an okay action flick. But now a re-watch on blu ray has made it go down in my estimations even more. It's not helped by the cheap film stock that James Cameron decided to use looking so bad (blu ray shows up just why production of that particular stock was ended soon after), and that's without all that DNR nonsense, but it's basically C-grade trash dressed up as upper B/lower A grade quality. Sadly, it's mutton dressed as lamb.

Sorry the internet.

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Speaking of Pirates of the Caribbean: if Keira Knightly's had one of the cursed gold coins in her possession since she was a kid, how come she doesn't turn into a skeleton whenever there's a full moon as well?

(Who said: "How would you tell the difference...?")

Vaguely recalls film - isn't the curse on the thieves rather than anyone who happens to touch a coin? I don't think the monkey wears one, but was part of the original curse.

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Speaking of Pirates of the Caribbean: if Keira Knightly's had one of the cursed gold coins in her possession since she was a kid, how come she doesn't turn into a skeleton whenever there's a full moon as well?

(Who said: "How would you tell the difference...?")

Vaguely recalls film - isn't the curse on the thieves rather than anyone who happens to touch a coin? I don't think the monkey wears one, but was part of the original curse.

No, the film is quite specific about it. To the point Jack also (conveniently) becomes a a skeleton when he later pilfers one of the coins. His life and the plot depend on it.

(I still love the first POTR, BTW. The best film of its kind since Raiders, I think. Even the bloated sequels aren't that bad, in retrospect. Even if they are The Empire Strikes Jack and Return of the Dandy... )

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Star Trek: First Contact.

Why would the Borg go to all the bother of traveling all the way to earth in just one cubeship and wait until they have been almost defeated before going back in time to stop first contact.Why not just go back in time from their own homeworld and then go to earth and starfleet would be none the wiser.

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You have a nice face, Shifty. A face I would have a cup of tea with.

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Shifty said it best

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ORIGINAL: chris kilby

Speaking of Pirates of the Caribbean: if Keira Knightly's had one of the cursed gold coins in her possession since she was a kid, how come she doesn't turn into a skeleton whenever there's a full moon as well?

(Who said: "How would you tell the difference...?")

Vaguely recalls film - isn't the curse on the thieves rather than anyone who happens to touch a coin? I don't think the monkey wears one, but was part of the original curse.

No, the film is quite specific about it. To the point Jack also (conveniently) becomes a a skeleton when he later pilfers one of the coins. His life and the plot depend on it.

(I still love the first POTR, BTW. The best film of its kind since Raiders, I think. Even the bloated sequels aren't that bad, in retrospect. Even if they are The Empire Strikes Jack and Return of the Dandy... )

I thought it was simply whoever stole the coin from the chest, hence why Jack at the end film is one and why the monkey is one in the sequels (steals coin after credits). Knightly and Bloom never took the coin from the chest, Will had it given by Bootstrap and Elizabeth took it from Will so he wouldn't be mistaken for a Pirate. Simples !

That deep-browed Homer ruled as his demesne.


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