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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 5/8/2012 12:10:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: elab49

Homer'll love this thread.



YAY NEGATIVITY.

Yawn.

Bay has The Rock, Armageddon, Pearl Harbor. I unashamedly think all are great.
Schumacher has Falling Down.

Anyway, I really can't be fucked spending time actively thinking about shit directors making shit films.


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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 5/8/2012 12:22:35 AM   
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Bay has The Rock, Armageddon, Pearl Harbor. I unashamedly think all are great.
Schumacher has Falling Down.




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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 5/8/2012 12:30:44 AM   
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Bay has The Rock, Armageddon, Pearl Harbor. I unashamedly think all are great.
Schumacher has Falling Down.




Can I be ashamed on your behalf?


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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 5/8/2012 12:31:35 AM   
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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 6/8/2012 3:09:28 PM   
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Yeah, Bay is exempt because he made The Rock. I'm not a Bay fan by any means but The Rock is a great film.

Uwe Boll has fans who like his films ironically. If you think about if any his flicks are actually any good, the answer is no to every one of them.

Oh, and-

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The one case you could make for him doing a good film is Falling Down which I did see the other week and it is decent but it still has flaws so cannot be considered a good film.


What? By that logic, no film can be considered good because no film is flawless.

Well actually some films are flawless their noramlly called masterpieces
But okay maybe they don't have to be flawless to be good, but in this case because I find most of JS's work to be poor and for the basis of this thread it would take a clear 7.5/10 or 8/10 standard film to break the mould. My issues with Falling Down is that the support performances are better than Douglas who doesn't quite convince in the lead and the normal Schumacher stuff such as ropey director and MTV style visuals. Suprised at the love for A Time to Kill I see it as a Guilty Pleasure at best.

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 6/8/2012 3:13:27 PM   
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Event Horizon is third greatest sci-fi horror ever after The Thing and Alien.

Lets see Blade Runner, Silent Running, Moon, Solaris (both versions) and The Fly.
I do think EH is solid mind.

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 6/8/2012 4:14:37 PM   
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Well actually some films are flawless their noramlly called masterpieces.


Masterpieces can still be flawed. Apocalypse Now has oft been referred to as a 'flawed masterpiece'.

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But okay maybe they don't have to be flawless to be good, but in this case because I find most of JS's work to be poor and for the basis of this thread it would take a clear 7.5/10 or 8/10 standard film to break the mould.


I still don't quite understand what the point of this thread is. Basically it's just you slagging off Schumacher and others defending him. So you name directors you don't like and we defend them? Is that it? Because otherwise I don't think it's worked.

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Suprised at the love for A Time to Kill I see it as a Guilty Pleasure at best.


Guilty pleasure? Really? Given its subject matter I would hardly describe it as that.

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 6/8/2012 4:34:59 PM   
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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 6/8/2012 4:47:34 PM   
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McG? Aside from literally the stupidest name in film-making (just ahead of Pitof), I know Terminator:Salvation divides people, I thought it was a pretty poor cynical cash-in, and his track record aside from that doesn't look good; Charlie's Angels, This Means War, We Are Marshall.

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 6/8/2012 4:48:51 PM   
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J. Lee Thompson. Spent most the 1980s doing Charles Bronson action movies and a whole load of trash. Seen as a bit of a hack. But he also has Ice Cold in Alex, The Guns of Nararone and Cape Fear on his list of movies. Even when making trash he had a good eye, and you got the sense he didn't have much concern being seen as a "take the money and run" director.

I think it is impossible to select directors with a perfect bad record. They always have something worthwhile in there - the question is - in the case of Thompson - does the trash outweigh the classics?



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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 6/8/2012 4:50:39 PM   
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McG? Aside from literally the stupidest name in film-making (just ahead of Pitof), I know Terminator:Salvation divides people, I thought it was a pretty poor cynical cash-in, and his track record aside from that doesn't look good; Charlie's Angels, This Means War, We Are Marshall.


Where is the defense?

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 6/8/2012 4:56:05 PM   
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I was hoping someone else had one, I like The OC which he produced, but that aside I got nothing.

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 6/8/2012 5:01:23 PM   
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I enjoyed Terminator:Salvation and This Means War so MCG is ok in my book.

How about Steven Seagal? Did he direct anything after the awful On Deadly Ground?

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 6/8/2012 5:08:24 PM   
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Well actually some films are flawless their noramlly called masterpieces


Subjective, innit? I don't see any film ever made as being flawless. Not one. You can always find something wrong with a masterpiece, especially in film.

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How about Steven Seagal? Did he direct anything after the awful On Deadly Ground?


Nope, so he sadly doesn't count.



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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 2:37:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vad3r

Event Horizon is third greatest sci-fi horror ever after The Thing and Alien.

Lets see Blade Runner, Silent Running, Moon, Solaris (both versions) and The Fly.
I do think EH is solid mind.


Blade Runner, Silent Running, Moon and Solaris are not sci-fi horror.

Forgot about The Fly.

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 3:13:10 AM   
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J. Lee Thompson. Spent most the 1980s doing Charles Bronson action movies and a whole load of trash. Seen as a bit of a hack. But he also has Ice Cold in Alex, The Guns of Nararone and Cape Fear on his list of movies. Even when making trash he had a good eye, and you got the sense he didn't have much concern being seen as a "take the money and run" director.

I think it is impossible to select directors with a perfect bad record. They always have something worthwhile in there - the question is - in the case of Thompson - does the trash outweigh the classics?




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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 3:13:44 AM   
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Has anyone found better candidates than Seltzer/Friedberg?


I think it's a tie between them and Dennis Dugan.


Dennis Dugan: Happy Gilmore, Big Daddy, NYPD Blue, Moonlighting.
Seltzer/Friedberg: Date Movie, Epic Movie, Meet The Spartans, Disaster Movie, Vampires Suck.

Clear winner.


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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 3:24:31 AM   
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Has anyone found better candidates than Seltzer/Friedberg?


I think it's a tie between them and Dennis Dugan.


Dennis Dugan: Happy Gilmore, Big Daddy, NYPD Blue, Moonlighting.
Seltzer/Friedberg: Date Movie, Epic Movie, Meet The Spartans, Disaster Movie, Vampires Suck.

Clear winner.


NYPD Blue and Moonlighting don't count. So-

Dennis Dugan: Problem Child, Brain Donors, Beverly Hills Ninja, Evil Woman, National Security, The Benchwarmers, I Now Pronounce You Chuck And Larry, You Don't Mess With The Zohan, Grown Ups, Just Go With It, Jack and Jill

Against Seltzer/Friedberg's five......

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 9:33:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench


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ORIGINAL: vad3r


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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench


quote:

ORIGINAL: vad3r

Has anyone found better candidates than Seltzer/Friedberg?


I think it's a tie between them and Dennis Dugan.


Dennis Dugan: Happy Gilmore, Big Daddy, NYPD Blue, Moonlighting.
Seltzer/Friedberg: Date Movie, Epic Movie, Meet The Spartans, Disaster Movie, Vampires Suck.

Clear winner.


NYPD Blue and Moonlighting don't count. So-

Dennis Dugan: Problem Child, Brain Donors, Beverly Hills Ninja, Evil Woman, National Security, The Benchwarmers, I Now Pronounce You Chuck And Larry, You Don't Mess With The Zohan, Grown Ups, Just Go With It, Jack and Jill

Against Seltzer/Friedberg's five......


as bad as those dennis dugan films (actually like a few of them above) are, they arn't anything as bad as the Seltzer/Friedberg films,isnt dugan pretty much adam sandlers pawn anyway its not really his fault?


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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 9:48:28 AM   
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Methinks the premise of this thread has not quite worked.

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 11:45:49 AM   
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Seltzer/Friedberg: Date Movie, Epic Movie, Meet The Spartans, Disaster Movie, Vampires Suck.


While I do hate Date Movie, Epic Movie and Disater movie. I have to say Meet the Spartans and Vampires Suck  do have there moments.


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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 12:23:10 PM   
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Ed Wood, perhaps?

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 12:39:11 PM   
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as bad as those dennis dugan films (actually like a few of them above) are, they arn't anything as bad as the Seltzer/Friedberg films,isnt dugan pretty much adam sandlers pawn anyway its not really his fault?



I'm not saying which is worse, I am only pointing out that Duggan has made more bad movies, making him more consistent.

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 1:34:52 PM   
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Michael Bay as has been stated should be nowehere near this thread, same with Schumaker, Falling Down is a great movie.

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 1:37:50 PM   
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Michael Bay as has been stated should be nowehere near this thread, same with Schumaker, Falling Down is a great movie.



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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 1:40:24 PM   
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J. Lee Thompson. Spent most the 1980s doing Charles Bronson action movies and a whole load of trash. Seen as a bit of a hack. But he also has Ice Cold in Alex, The Guns of Nararone and Cape Fear on his list of movies. Even when making trash he had a good eye, and you got the sense he didn't have much concern being seen as a "take the money and run" director.

I think it is impossible to select directors with a perfect bad record. They always have something worthwhile in there - the question is - in the case of Thompson - does the trash outweigh the classics?




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Missed the bit at the bottom there then.

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 1:49:47 PM   
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Michael Bay as has been stated should be nowehere near this thread, same with Schumaker, Falling Down is a great movie.



He's a hopeless, drooling man-child.


What's that got to do with anything?

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 1:59:35 PM   
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Event Horizon is third greatest sci-fi horror ever after The Thing and Alien.

Lets see Blade Runner, Silent Running, Moon, Solaris (both versions) and The Fly.
I do think EH is solid mind.


Blade Runner, Silent Running, Moon and Solaris are not sci-fi horror.

Forgot about The Fly.

I think if The Thing, Alien & Event Horizon were the only sci-fi/horror films ever made, EH still wouldn't make the top 3. One of the worst films I've ever seen at the cinema.

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 2:12:52 PM   
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McG - Terminator Salvation is great and the first Charlie's Angels film has a certain chaotic charm (although I may have been drunk).
Schumacher - Three quality films: Tigerland, Phone Booth and Falling Down and three lots of great fun: Lost Boys, Flatliners and Batman Forever.
Michael Bay - The Rock, Transformers 1 & 3 are great fun while the first Bad Boys & Armageddon are watchable.
Uwe Boll - I've not seen any of his movies.
Paul W. S. Anderson - Death Race 2000 caught me in the right mood and it's the only one of his films I'd score more than 4/10. A complete talent-vacuum.

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RE: Make a case for a Director with a perfect bad record - 7/8/2012 2:36:33 PM   
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