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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 23/1/2013 6:11:57 AM   
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Or of course the Nolan fans here just don't wanna accept there is anything wrong with his last Batman film.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 23/1/2013 8:12:01 AM   
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Don't you start...

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 23/1/2013 12:14:52 PM   
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The Dark Knight Rises is a great movie..............:)

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 24/1/2013 10:20:53 AM   
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Bane outtakes!

http://youtu.be/IkMPZ7WeDck


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 24/1/2013 10:58:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phubbs

Or of course the Nolan fans here just don't wanna accept there is anything wrong with his last Batman film.


Amen!!

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 24/1/2013 11:23:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dannybohy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phubbs

Or of course the Nolan fans here just don't wanna accept there is anything wrong with his last Batman film.


Amen!!


Oh, Jesus, you two. OK, try trolling me with this bad boy.

Batman Begins - A pretty good start to the franchise, however Nolan displays a lack of confidence with handling blockbuster material. The action scenes are choppy and confusingly shot. Katie Holmes just isn't up to the task of making the most with a wafer-thin role. Batman's decision not to save Ra's Al Ghul contradicts his moral code.

The Dark Knight - a rare example of intelligent summer blockbustery, but it fizzles out at the end. Nolan still doesn't know how to write for women, which is all too evident in the fact that Gyllenhaal's Rachel exists solely as a plot device to throw Wayne into emotional turmoil when she dies. Perhaps a little bit too long with it's almost three hour running time. Any attempts to emotionally engage with the audience flounders.

The Dark Knight Rises - A fine end to the trilogy but contains Nolan and Goyer's worst dialogue to date. Marion Cotillard is stuck with a nothing role, yet again exhibiting Nolan's weakness with women's roles. Hardy is an imposing and sometimes frightening physical presence but the voice is a quirk too far.

A little bit of friendly advice for you two: if you want to shit stir with a bunch of myopic sheep who have been blinded by Nolan fandom, go to IMDB or the Ain't it Cool talkbackers. Pretending that the posts in this thread are those of fanboys who just won't accept criticism of their lord and saviour just makes you look a bit lame and pathetic. Just a suggestion.


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 24/1/2013 11:33:38 AM   
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MonsterCat, that is the most passive aggressive use of that smiley I think I've ever seen, bravo!

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 24/1/2013 11:39:27 AM   
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MonsterCat, that is the most passive aggressive use of that smiley I think I've ever seen, bravo!


Hey, thanks... I think?

Nice Youtube find by the way.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 24/1/2013 11:52:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dannybohy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phubbs

Or of course the Nolan fans here just don't wanna accept there is anything wrong with his last Batman film.


Amen!!


Oh, Jesus, you two. OK, try trolling me with this bad boy.

Batman Begins - A pretty good start to the franchise, however Nolan displays a lack of confidence with handling blockbuster material. The action scenes are choppy and confusingly shot. Katie Holmes just isn't up to the task of making the most with a wafer-thin role. Batman's decision not to save Ra's Al Ghul contradicts his moral code.

The Dark Knight - a rare example of intelligent summer blockbustery, but it fizzles out at the end. Nolan still doesn't know how to write for women, which is all too evident in the fact that Gyllenhaal's Rachel exists solely as a plot device to throw Wayne into emotional turmoil when she dies. Perhaps a little bit too long with it's almost three hour running time. Any attempts to emotionally engage with the audience flounders.

The Dark Knight Rises - A fine end to the trilogy but contains Nolan and Goyer's worst dialogue to date. Marion Cotillard is stuck with a nothing role, yet again exhibiting Nolan's weakness with women's roles. Hardy is an imposing and sometimes frightening physical presence but the voice is a quirk too far.

A little bit of friendly advice for you two: if you want to shit stir with a bunch of myopic sheep who have been blinded by Nolan fandom, go to IMDB or the Ain't it Cool talkbackers. Pretending that the posts in this thread are those of fanboys who just won't accept criticism of their lord and saviour just makes you look a bit lame and pathetic. Just a suggestion.



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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 24/1/2013 6:39:06 PM   
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The thing is.... the Nolan Fantards are all hiding out on their own dedicated site since they can't handle varying opinions. At all. A place where they're gushing over Interstellar when it doesn't even have a real press release or synopsis yet. Venturing over to somewhere like this would do them in. Calling people out here for that is just silly.

Besides that, what Monstercat said. Though I don't see the big problems with his female characters being down to writing, Selina Kyle was pretty well done. It's generally a lack of reason to be in the story at all. And the Bane voice was probably the most fun part of the movie. The main flaws to me where the editing and pacing that scuppered things when it should be all edge-of-seat, as well as some weak action during the finale.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 24/1/2013 8:59:58 PM   
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As a friend said the other day moaning about Bane's voice makes about as much sense as moaning about Darth Vader's.

Was thinking the other day about how much I still dislike the title Batman Begins especially since it now fits so badly with the other two. I think with BB, Nolan wanted something different (I seem to remember a few different titles being thrown around, including the horrendous Batman Genesis) but WB weren't gonna risk the potential lose of Brand Recognition on one of the biggest franchises. So we get the rather "Does exactly what it says on the tin" Batman Begins. Then after the success of BB, they were confident enough to let Nolan have The Dark Knight the first Batman film not to actually have Batman in the title. Awesome title. then for the final one we have The Dark Knight Rises which follows on nicely from the last film but leaves BB as a bit of an odd anomaly in the trilogy. Why would Nolan do that? I suspect he had little choice. After the monumental box office of the second film Batman was no longer the brand, "The Dark Knight" was. hence why all the teasers kept boasting that this was the final installment of THE DARK KNIGHT trilogy, THE DARK KNIGHT Rises, the sequel to THE DATK KNIGHT, starring batman...

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 24/1/2013 9:06:52 PM   
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Shoulda been

The Dark Knight
The Dark Knight Rises
The Dark Knight Returns

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 24/1/2013 9:26:36 PM   
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As a friend said the other day moaning about Bane's voice makes about as much sense as moaning about Darth Vader's.

Was thinking the other day about how much I still dislike the title Batman Begins especially since it now fits so badly with the other two. I think with BB, Nolan wanted something different (I seem to remember a few different titles being thrown around, including the horrendous Batman Genesis) but WB weren't gonna risk the potential lose of Brand Recognition on one of the biggest franchises. So we get the rather "Does exactly what it says on the tin" Batman Begins. Then after the success of BB, they were confident enough to let Nolan have The Dark Knight the first Batman film not to actually have Batman in the title. Awesome title. then for the final one we have The Dark Knight Rises which follows on nicely from the last film but leaves BB as a bit of an odd anomaly in the trilogy. Why would Nolan do that? I suspect he had little choice. After the monumental box office of the second film Batman was no longer the brand, "The Dark Knight" was. hence why all the teasers kept boasting that this was the final installment of THE DARK KNIGHT trilogy, THE DARK KNIGHT Rises, the sequel to THE DATK KNIGHT, starring batman...


I dont hate Batman Begins as a title, but it does feel at odds with the two Dark Knight titles. I seem to remember the main title put forward for Begins was Batman:Intimidation Game. So glad that never happened. Still, all are better than what we nearly got with Batman Triumphant. Jesus fuckin Christ that is terrible.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 24/1/2013 9:55:22 PM   
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Watched it again last night.Still a fantastic film and like most of Nolans films, gets even better with multiple viewings.

I think its better than Begins and a close second to TDK.

What are peoples opinions of a possible Selina Kyle spin off ? A prequel before the events of TDKR would be cool.Given how well the Hathaways incarnation of the character was received by audiences and critics, i dont think WB would have to worry about memories of Halle Berrys horrific Catwoman.They could leave out the Catwoman title completely ( just as Nolan did for TDKR ) and just call it Selina Kyle.

Id like to see her go up against other Batman villains we didnt get to see in the Nolanverse like Black Mask or Deadshot.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 24/1/2013 11:42:24 PM   
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I've said it before, but the graphic novel Selina's Big Score would make a perfect movie for Anne Hathaway's Catwoman. It would work extremely well as a movie, I think.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 25/1/2013 1:09:09 AM   
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Shoulda been

The Dark Knight
The Dark Knight Rises
The Dark Knight Returns



I think the reason they didn't call the final one Returns is the same reason they didn't call John Blake 'Dick Grayson' or 'Tim Drake' because it didn't have enough of that story/character in so fans would moan that it wasn't a good portrayal of the story/character.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 25/1/2013 1:12:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Watched it again last night.Still a fantastic film and like most of Nolans films, gets even better with multiple viewings.

I think its better than Begins and a close second to TDK.

What are peoples opinions of a possible Selina Kyle spin off ? A prequel before the events of TDKR would be cool.Given how well the Hathaways incarnation of the character was received by audiences and critics, i dont think WB would have to worry about memories of Halle Berrys horrific Catwoman.They could leave out the Catwoman title completely ( just as Nolan did for TDKR ) and just call it Selina Kyle.

Id like to see her go up against other Batman villains we didnt get to see in the Nolanverse like Black Mask or Deadshot.


Her character arc was done and dusted in Rises. There is nowhere else to go with it.


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 25/1/2013 5:52:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dannybohy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phubbs

Or of course the Nolan fans here just don't wanna accept there is anything wrong with his last Batman film.


Amen!!


Oh, Jesus, you two. OK, try trolling me with this bad boy.

Batman Begins - A pretty good start to the franchise, however Nolan displays a lack of confidence with handling blockbuster material. The action scenes are choppy and confusingly shot. Katie Holmes just isn't up to the task of making the most with a wafer-thin role. Batman's decision not to save Ra's Al Ghul contradicts his moral code.

The Dark Knight - a rare example of intelligent summer blockbustery, but it fizzles out at the end. Nolan still doesn't know how to write for women, which is all too evident in the fact that Gyllenhaal's Rachel exists solely as a plot device to throw Wayne into emotional turmoil when she dies. Perhaps a little bit too long with it's almost three hour running time. Any attempts to emotionally engage with the audience flounders.

The Dark Knight Rises - A fine end to the trilogy but contains Nolan and Goyer's worst dialogue to date. Marion Cotillard is stuck with a nothing role, yet again exhibiting Nolan's weakness with women's roles. Hardy is an imposing and sometimes frightening physical presence but the voice is a quirk too far.

A little bit of friendly advice for you two: if you want to shit stir with a bunch of myopic sheep who have been blinded by Nolan fandom, go to IMDB or the Ain't it Cool talkbackers. Pretending that the posts in this thread are those of fanboys who just won't accept criticism of their lord and saviour just makes you look a bit lame and pathetic. Just a suggestion.




Troll me this ~ troll me that ~ who's afraid of the big MonsterCat?

Not trolling matey, merely making an observation which covers most forums, some folk will just not allow anything negative said about Nolan films period. All the huge amount of excuses and fumbling for answers is really pretty lame, as I've said before if it were any other film most everyone would harpoon it to death. I think most folk do realise this but don't really wanna say. I'm not saying my opinion is final but its kinda obvious. If people don't wish to accept or discuss negative points about a film then they shouldn't enter a thread where varying comments will be made. Its a forum, this doesn't mean a 'TDKR' thread is purely for folk to all hold hands and praise the film in a big happy circle.

Telling me 'its tiresome' because someone is pointing out facts that let the film down is ridiculous. Its possibly tiresome for some people to have to read all the 'its awesome' comments made one after another. Again...its a thread for all views on all aspects. Believe it or not I come to the thread as I'm a Batman fan, not to 'troll'.

You say we're 'pretending' that most of you are fanboys? yet barely anyone seems to have an opinion that isn't virtually the same in a sheep like manner to the rest of the masses. Then when someone does have a difference of opinion you all get bent out of shape and ring that old troll bell as usual. In all my life I've never known such behaviour with movies, its bizarre! its almost as if some people treat the situation like football and their taking sides to support.



This is why I tend to stick to older films when reviewing, to avoid backlash from the younger folk who get all flustered.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 25/1/2013 8:13:02 AM   
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Look, throughout this thread you will find fans of the movie who have admitted it's not perfect and have brought up points that they diidn't like.

Whether or not there are plot holes is not a matter of opinion, though. It's a matter of understanding the movie. It's not pathetic or fanboyish to expect people to pay attention to the movie they are watching instead of crying "plot hole" every time there's something they don't quite understand. The explanations are not pathetic... they are obversations from people who were paying enough attention.

It's not a perfect film, but it is tiresome when instead of maybe admitting that what they saw as a fault may not have been really, people just fling out the "fanboy" line.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 25/1/2013 9:06:01 AM   
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Troll me this ~ troll me that ~ who's afraid of the big MonsterCat?

Not trolling matey, merely making an observation which covers most forums, some folk will just not allow anything negative said about Nolan films period. All the huge amount of excuses and fumbling for answers is really pretty lame, as I've said before if it were any other film most everyone would harpoon it to death. I think most folk do realise this but don't really wanna say. I'm not saying my opinion is final but its kinda obvious. If people don't wish to accept or discuss negative points about a film then they shouldn't enter a thread where varying comments will be made. Its a forum, this doesn't mean a 'TDKR' thread is purely for folk to all hold hands and praise the film in a big happy circle.

Telling me 'its tiresome' because someone is pointing out facts that let the film down is ridiculous. Its possibly tiresome for some people to have to read all the 'its awesome' comments made one after another. Again...its a thread for all views on all aspects. Believe it or not I come to the thread as I'm a Batman fan, not to 'troll'.

You say we're 'pretending' that most of you are fanboys? yet barely anyone seems to have an opinion that isn't virtually the same in a sheep like manner to the rest of the masses. Then when someone does have a difference of opinion you all get bent out of shape and ring that old troll bell as usual. In all my life I've never known such behaviour with movies, its bizarre! its almost as if some people treat the situation like football and their taking sides to support.

This is why I tend to stick to older films when reviewing, to avoid backlash from the younger folk who get all flustered.


It's a Favourite Films thread so we're more than within our rights to moan when people keep posting the same negative comments over and over. You like reviewing so much go to the Films Reviews thread.

You're complaining that we're labelling anyone with a different opinion as us as a troll just like our we are being labelled as fanboys for liking the film but I think you find the so called fanboys on here are only really taking offence with the posters who come not only to make negative remarks about the film, but to also tell us that our opinion is wrong and that we're idots for liking the film.

It's not a perfect film and I doubt you're find anyone on here who will say it is. I have plenty of issues with DKR but I bloody well enjoyed it and I'm allowwed to have that opinion. A lot of posters like yourself on here just seem hellbent on hating the film no matter what and what everyone else to do the same. A prime example of this was the long line of plot holes listed after the film intially came out (mainly concerning Miranda / Talia's whereabouts or not seeing Fox after the chamber was flooded) which then turned out to be non-existant when people watched the film again and reminded those who had posted the "plot holes" of scenes they had supposedly forgotten.


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 25/1/2013 9:21:13 AM   
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But surely I could say you're hell bent on loving the film and constantly finding reasons/excuses/stories to try and explain or hide the poor plot. This is what makes me laugh, everyone knows the major errors in the plot but some keep saying its OK and they don't need to be explained or use your imagination or this happened to explain that off screen, you don't need to know, he's Batman, it doesn't matter etc...etc...its weak!.

Like I say any other film would not get this (as much), this is why I tend to think its the FB word gone to extremes.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 25/1/2013 9:25:17 AM   
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But surely I could say you're hell bent on loving the film and constantly finding reasons/excuses/stories to try and explain or hide the poor plot. This is what makes me laugh, everyone knows the major errors in the plot but some keep saying its OK and they don't need to be explained or use your imagination or this happened to explain that off screen, you don't need to know, he's Batman, it doesn't matter etc...etc...its weak!.

Like I say any other film would not get this (as much), this is why I tend to think its the FB word gone to extremes.



How could you when like the others before me I've said that it's not a perfect film and I have issues with it? That I like the film overall is my opnion. Why do you take such issue with people who like this film? We like it. You don't. Move along.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 25/1/2013 9:30:51 AM   
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I dont hate Batman Begins as a title, but it does feel at odds with the two Dark Knight titles. I seem to remember the main title put forward for Begins was Batman:Intimidation Game. So glad that never happened. Still, all are better than what we nearly got with Batman Triumphant. Jesus fuckin Christ that is terrible.


Yeah, Batman Triumphant somehow makes me think of a porn parody....

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 25/1/2013 9:51:49 AM   
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The thing is.... the Nolan Fantards are all hiding out on their own dedicated site since they can't handle varying opinions. At all. A place where they're gushing over Interstellar when it doesn't even have a real press release or synopsis yet. Venturing over to somewhere like this would do them in. Calling people out here for that is just silly.

Besides that, what Monstercat said. Though I don't see the big problems with his female characters being down to writing, Selina Kyle was pretty well done. It's generally a lack of reason to be in the story at all. And the Bane voice was probably the most fun part of the movie. The main flaws to me where the editing and pacing that scuppered things when it should be all edge-of-seat, as well as some weak action during the finale.


I thought this was the dedicated site for Nolan Fantards? Point me to the Fantards rich!!

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 25/1/2013 10:10:59 AM   
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I know this is just me, but I got the sense that Nolan was just having fun with Rises. I doubt anyone expected TDK to be as big as it was, and that Nolan basically crammed everything he had left to say about Batman into that film. Then it exploded, and Nolan had to try and figure out a sequel.

I don't see the same level of engagement as I did in Inception and TDK. What I do see, is that he is kicking back and playing with the train set. Almost in the same way Wayne seems less hung up on the world, and more fun.

Coupled with that there seemed to be a desire to get away from the pitch blackness of TDK and the response it generated among fans. Bane is the total opposite of Joker, the plot could be taken from a comic book, and the grounded "realism" of the previous films takes a backseat.

It is the most fun film Nolan has made, but it also feels like there was a lack of attention applied. Perhaps not to the extent, that Scott didn't pay attention to the script of Prometheus, but along those lines.



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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 25/1/2013 10:19:58 AM   
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What I am trying to say is that I think Rises is a better sequel to Begins than TDK.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 25/1/2013 10:55:41 AM   
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Finally got round to watching this last weekend.

Well...it was strange going into the film with such mixed expectations, and perhaps because of that I wasn't paying quite enough attention. But I did feel a little under-whelmed. Stellar performances from all concerned, Tom Hardy and Anne Hathaway in particular. I liked the fact that no-one mentioned the word "catwoman" once, and the whole night-goggles/ears design was ingenious. And I liked how this portrayal of Selina Kyle was far less lascivious than in BR, and because of that she was sexy as hell, which I wasn't expecting. Bale did well again, although I'm still more a fan of Keaton personally. I think the problem was that I found the secondary characters, both good and bad, to be far more interesting than Bruce Wayne/Batman.

Another issue for me - and this applies to BB and TDK as well - is that I find Nolan's version of Gotham to be rather a bland place. What it reflects in realism it lacks in mystery and character. At least Burton's Gotham was its own monster, as much a dark and vibrant character as Batman himself.

Some terrific set-pieces in the first two thirds of the film, Bane's plane escape, that first Batman/Bane beatdown, the football stadium. I liked the whole concept of Gotham falling to ruin and the bomb countdown, but then...I dunno...after all the heaviness and torture that had preceded it I was expecting something more spectacular when Batman returned to Gotham to face-off Bane. I think he was disposed of far too easily. I did enjoy the scene where the cops stormed the bank en-masse. Great music score as ever.

This isn't a great review as I don't think I've properly digested what I saw, probably due to the film's bulk. So far it's my least favourite of the trilogy. I think. Although that could easily swap places with TDK. My overall favourite is still BB. What I really need to do is watch them sequentially and re-appraise them, especially Rises. But who the hell has the time to do that anymore?

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 25/1/2013 11:25:46 AM   
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I dont hate Batman Begins as a title, but it does feel at odds with the two Dark Knight titles. I seem to remember the main title put forward for Begins was Batman:Intimidation Game. So glad that never happened. Still, all are better than what we nearly got with Batman Triumphant. Jesus fuckin Christ that is terrible.


Yeah, Batman Triumphant somehow makes me think of a porn parody....

Carry on up the Catwoman.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 25/1/2013 11:40:54 AM   
Dannybohy


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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

I know this is just me, but I got the sense that Nolan was just having fun with Rises. I doubt anyone expected TDK to be as big as it was, and that Nolan basically crammed everything he had left to say about Batman into that film. Then it exploded, and Nolan had to try and figure out a sequel.

I don't see the same level of engagement as I did in Inception and TDK. What I do see, is that he is kicking back and playing with the train set. Almost in the same way Wayne seems less hung up on the world, and more fun.

Coupled with that there seemed to be a desire to get away from the pitch blackness of TDK and the response it generated among fans. Bane is the total opposite of Joker, the plot could be taken from a comic book, and the grounded "realism" of the previous films takes a backseat.

It is the most fun film Nolan has made, but it also feels like there was a lack of attention applied. Perhaps not to the extent, that Scott didn't pay attention to the script of Prometheus, but along those lines.




Odd! I thought the characters appeared to be very much the same with the same plot to turn Gotham in on itself!... Begins was a nice idea, TDK was great but only because of Joker, which isn't great considering its a Batman movie. By the time I get into the first 10 min of TDKR i just want Batman to die, Alfred to die, Seline to die!!! its just so boring!! . Feels like he really couldn't be bothered and only made TDKR to fulfill some contract for a trilogy.

Why would a young boy (who was either not even born when Batman was last seen, or at most around 2 years old) be pining for the return of a local vigilante who was i widely known to be the murderer of the great White Knight DA !. Little Sicko

Why do I own Batman Begins and The Dark Knight on DVD! but have no intention of buying TDKR! yet take no responsibility for that fact!.. riddle me that!!


< Message edited by Dannybohy -- 25/1/2013 11:54:05 AM >


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 25/1/2013 12:18:36 PM   
Discodez

 

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ORIGINAL: Dannybohy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

I know this is just me, but I got the sense that Nolan was just having fun with Rises. I doubt anyone expected TDK to be as big as it was, and that Nolan basically crammed everything he had left to say about Batman into that film. Then it exploded, and Nolan had to try and figure out a sequel.

I don't see the same level of engagement as I did in Inception and TDK. What I do see, is that he is kicking back and playing with the train set. Almost in the same way Wayne seems less hung up on the world, and more fun.

Coupled with that there seemed to be a desire to get away from the pitch blackness of TDK and the response it generated among fans. Bane is the total opposite of Joker, the plot could be taken from a comic book, and the grounded "realism" of the previous films takes a backseat.

It is the most fun film Nolan has made, but it also feels like there was a lack of attention applied. Perhaps not to the extent, that Scott didn't pay attention to the script of Prometheus, but along those lines.




Odd! I thought the characters appeared to be very much the same with the same plot to turn Gotham in on itself!... Begins was a nice idea, TDK was great but only because of Joker, which isn't great considering its a Batman movie. By the time I get into the first 10 min of TDKR i just want Batman to die, Alfred to die, Seline to die!!! its just so boring!! . Feels like he really couldn't be bothered and only made TDKR to fulfill some contract for a trilogy.

Why would a young boy (who was either not even born when Batman was last seen, or at most around 2 years old) be pining for the return of a local vigilante who was i widely known to be the murderer of the great White Knight DA !. Little Sicko

Why do I own Batman Begins and The Dark Knight on DVD! but have no intention of buying TDKR! yet take no responsibility for that fact!.. riddle me that!!



You're outdoing yourself in the pointless fuck-wittery stakes today Danny...

I won't bother explaining why you're wrong on both counts above as I actually believe you know already, you're just being intentionally obtuse.

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