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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 1:24:11 PM   
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Porntrooper - agree with everything written in the inviso-text.

For me it was a very good, satisfying conclusion to the trilogy, but as someone with knowledge of the source material the story was painfully obvious and there were no surprises (not helped by one ill advised piece of casting).

And Bain's voice, it reminded me of one the Helping Hand's in Labyrinth (the one that says 'well it's a big decision for her').

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 1:32:30 PM   
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***SPOILERS***


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Well I ended up really enjoying it, which is a massive relief not least because I was deeply unsure for the first 15 minutes or so. It grew quite well into itself, though felt a bit rushed at times (no doubt due to having to cram so much into the run-time). Thought Hathaway did well, Hardy... less so, though I think that's more to do with him being slightly underused and adopting one of the most unintentionally funny voices for a villain I've ever heard. Overall though it's a fine addition, though it doesn't quite reach the 5-star glory I'd been led to believe. Solid 4, touching 4 and a half towards the end for me.


I couldnt be further away from that opinion - I loved Hardy's choice of voice! There were times that he wasn't clear (although actually when I think about it, it was just once during the first 'Underground Army' scene) but I thought the accent coupled with the metalic tone and the wheeze, was great. I thought it was superb during his two big speeches at the stadium and on the steps of Blackgate, in fact during the Blackgate scene in particular I thought Hardy was superb and he got across a lot through his eyes. I also really liked Bane's voice as he taunted Bat's during their first fight. Yea, although he is no Joker, I thought Hardy as Bane was superb.

As for being rushed, I didnt really notice it during the first watch, but seeing it again today I did feel like parts may have been trimmed and edited down to bring the run time down. It felt like certain parts of the plot (Dagget's involvement with Bane and the need for Bruce's fingerprints, maybe?) needed some more room. I wonder if much was shot and left on the edit room floor.


First off, I agree with everything you wrote about the ending - that was exactly what I took from it and thought it was pretty self-evident. Some leaps of logic and suspension of disbelief required sure, but that's par for the course and it works within the context of the movie.

As for Hardy, I honestly nearly burst out laughing when he first spoke. It brought to mind Gary Oldman's Mason Verger in Hannibal, though more British and 'masky' . I also thought his physicality was underused, even in the action sequences. There was only one bit where I felt it really came across (the fight on the City Hall steps after Batman damages his mask, where he moved so fast I thought at first it must have been sped up - he looked like an absolute brute at that point). I didn't think Hardy was bad by any stretch, I just thought he seemed, I don't know, shackled somehow.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 1:33:59 PM   
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Porntrooper - agree with everything written in the inviso-text.

For me it was a very good, satisfying conclusion to the trilogy, but as someone with knowledge of the source material the story was painfully obvious and there were no surprises (not helped by one ill advised piece of casting).

And Bain's voice, it reminded me of one the Helping Hand's in Labyrinth (the one that says 'well it's a big decision for her').


Who did you think was poorly cast? Of the main cast I thought they were all pretty excellent. I never really doubted Hathaway as Catwoman and I thought she did some really great stuff - I loved her during the meeting with Dagget and how she handled her escape from it.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 1:46:48 PM   
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Porntrooper - agree with everything written in the inviso-text.

For me it was a very good, satisfying conclusion to the trilogy, but as someone with knowledge of the source material the story was painfully obvious and there were no surprises (not helped by one ill advised piece of casting).

And Bain's voice, it reminded me of one the Helping Hand's in Labyrinth (the one that says 'well it's a big decision for her').


Who did you think was poorly cast? Of the main cast I thought they were all pretty excellent. I never really doubted Hathaway as Catwoman and I thought she did some really great stuff - I loved her during the meeting with Dagget and how she handled her escape from it.



spoilers: Marion Cotillard. Her not having an American accent was a huge giveaway to who she was


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 1:56:59 PM   
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Porntrooper - agree with everything written in the inviso-text.

For me it was a very good, satisfying conclusion to the trilogy, but as someone with knowledge of the source material the story was painfully obvious and there were no surprises (not helped by one ill advised piece of casting).

And Bain's voice, it reminded me of one the Helping Hand's in Labyrinth (the one that says 'well it's a big decision for her').


Yep, that makes complete sense.  I'm happy with that now. I'm sure I would have picked all that up on a second viewing .

Reb, I'm pretty sure you were at the screening I was at.  Would have made an effort to talk but it was a very stressful morning...was going to flip out on my mate for keeping me late

With regard to Hardy, Bane was by far my favourite thing in it.  I'm not exaggerating when I say again that I found him bloody terrifying.  Not only did I not have a problem with his vocal performance but I actually flat out loved it. Movies like this excel when they celebrate characters like these as abberations.  I thought Hardy's voice was undeniably "idiosyncratic", but fitting for an aberration.  I know I'll be venturing an impression all weekend.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 1:57:32 PM   
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spoilers: Marion Cotillard. Her not having an American accent was a huge giveaway to who she was



Interesting. I knew in advance due to following the production and the set photo's that leaked. however, if I hadnt had known, I dont think I would've made the connection due to her accent - but then again, I dont really follow the comics or anything so I dont know Talia's history other than she's Ras' daughter. Ras' himself never really had much of an accent in Begins though, seemed a standard English accent to me, so again, without knowing in advance I doubt I wouldve put two and two together.

However, the reveal bugged me for other reasons. The reveal of Ras in Begins works well as we spend a fair amount of time with him earlier in the film, we understand his motivations and a little of his back story before the reveal. With Talia she wasn't really given much time before the reveal to get to know her or to really tie her into Bruce (other than giving them the scene by the fire) in any way other than via Wayne Enterprise and the Clean Energy project. It all felt a little clumsy whenever she was on screen as Miranda, so when the reveal finally came, the impact wasnt all that great. Not that I minded her being Talia though, it makes perfect sense for her to come back and I liked how she was linked to Bane and he was linked to The League, I just think it couldve been handled better through more Miranda and Bruce time in the earlier scenes.


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 2:01:00 PM   
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Guys, please remember that 'inviso-text', or white text used to hide comments, shows up clearly in the comments section underneath the full review on the main page. It's probably an idea to keep any discussion regarding spoilerific plot-points to the favourite films section, at least whilst the film is so fresh.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 2:05:29 PM   
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In fairness, the general policy once a film is on general release is that discussion is allowed in this thread (including spoilers, though they should be marked). Obviously we're in the very early stages of release here, but If you haven't seen the film yet, there is ongoing discussion in Future Films. This is for reviews/people who have seen the film, not reviews of reviews.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 2:18:18 PM   
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Well it's been a couple of hours since a finished watching TDKR and I have an overwhelming urge to see it again already. I think because the film is such a journey it certainly has a real 'end ' feel about it, which I like. How does it rate amongst the other films??? Not sure yet....but regardless it's a truly classic trilogy and one I know I will look forward to seeing back to back.
I thought Micheal Caine was superb and I really felt for him in this. I thought the set up to the end was a bit obvious. They must have mentioned 3 times about a certain McGuffin that was not working. Anyway, brilliant stuff and can't wait till next Friday when it's IMAX time. Speaking of which, who has seen it in IMAX and can I expect to enjoy it more in this format???

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 2:19:33 PM   
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In fairness, the general policy once a film is on general release is that discussion is allowed in this thread (including spoilers, though they should be marked). Obviously we're in the very early stages of release here, but If you haven't seen the film yet, there is ongoing discussion in Future Films. This is for reviews/people who have seen the film, not reviews of reviews.


Fair enough.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 2:49:25 PM   
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Just wanted to change the thread title back to what it should be again.

ooooh look the Dark Knight is fascist - and look here's an article in the Guardian that regurgitates an opinion about comic books, and in particular Batman and Superman as characters that's been around for over 50 years, I'll just relate it to Bush's war on terror to make myself look like I can form opinions on my own.

btw when you get your third in American studies from Braintree Polytechnic or wherever it will be because the main reference you used to back up your argument was a lazy and predictable guest column on the Guardian website.

You know who you are.

Anyhoo, hopefully going to see TDKR on Saturday and then in IMAX next Friday before I go on my hols


I "backed it up" by pointing to evidence of the movies themselves.

Furthermore, as many people on here defending TDK & TDKR have pointed out, it was Nolan himself who linked Batman to the war on terror. I just commented on the link that has been widely recognised in the films.

Unfortunately the only "lazy and predictable" thing here is the ad hominen attacks you engage in without anything of substance to add to the debate.

But hey, enjoy your "hols"!!


Thanks for that, you've made my morning - when you have something new to say rather than going over the same old tired ground again and again (Nolan's Batman films are right wing propaganda blah blah blah) in a desperate attempt to get someone to agree with you then maybe we can engage in a proper debate, until then I will continue to find you laugable, predictable and boring.


Dude, really. I'm talking about the movies, you're talking about my character, of which you seem to disapprove. Please get back on subject or refrain from the insults. Anything to say about the movie other than my personality? I'm flattered by the attention but really, it's irrelevant. And I'm not remotely desperate for agreement.. Maybe for an intelligent debate, but you're not contributing to that so far...
As for "tired and old ground" - i commented on how the new movie makes clear reference to the Occupy movement - don't think that is tired and old, in fact its very comtemporary, and most reviewers have noted the association which seems intentional on Nolans part since he has tended to link the movies to current events.

Disagree by all means, just don't insult me. It's tedious.


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 2:55:34 PM   
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Thanks Porntrooper for those thoughts on the ending which I agree entirely with. I dont think my brain could quite piece it all together at 8am this morning after no sleep but that all makes absolute sense. I think as has already been said that those with a good knowledge of the source material will see it all coming - personally I had no idea. As for Bane's voice I found it ridiculous but I think even Hardy himself acknowledged in advance that he'd taken a real risk and that some people would laugh. Someone said there wasn't enough Batman - I agree entirely - it almost seemed like a deliberate effort to pave the way for Joseph Gordon-Levitt to take the series forward. Which In a way doesn't make sense as why would Nolan want to leave it open......unless....

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 2:58:54 PM   
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...oh and I actually thought it would have benefited from another half hour or so to add a bit of weight to some of the plot - in particular the relationship with Marion Cotillard and her character as a whole needed more time. And that wouldn't hurt would it, more of Marion?

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 3:00:58 PM   
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SPOLIERS!!!!!!!!!!




Exactly Belovedaunt! As much as this has been touted as The End.....there is a big fat door open which I was suprised at. I'd have been much happier without that Blake scene at the end and everything else as it was. That would have done me. I get that it may have been meant to say "hey anyone can be Batman because he is a symbol of hope" but I think most people will
take it literally.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 3:04:01 PM   
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Regards the films politics.....Nolan, on camera at the premiere, confirmed he made no intention of putting any political message into the Batman films. So, from the horses mouth there is no political message contained within, not from his perspective. So, when the maker of the film says so, who are we to argue either way? I'm not sure if he has confirmed in interviews before that any of his Bat films were meant to carry any kind of political message, so am not sure if the latest interview contradicts something else he said previously. I guess I can only take a film director at his/her word and then critique his/her movie and its message based on my own viewing of it, and in terms of The Dark Knight Rises, I never once got any suggestion that the story was trying to carry any political message. It felt far smaller than that, much more about one persons story rather than that of the world around him. Certainly never felt like there was an underlying message in support of the wealthy or that people rising up against the wealthy and elite should be crushed and stopped. It never comes across like that.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 3:20:55 PM   
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Regards the films politics.....Nolan, on camera at the premiere, confirmed he made no intention of putting any political message into the Batman films. So, from the horses mouth there is no political message contained within, not from his perspective. So, when the maker of the film says so, who are we to argue either way? I'm not sure if he has confirmed in interviews before that any of his Bat films were meant to carry any kind of political message, so am not sure if the latest interview contradicts something else he said previously. I guess I can only take a film director at his/her word and then critique his/her movie and its message based on my own viewing of it, and in terms of The Dark Knight Rises, I never once got any suggestion that the story was trying to carry any political message. It felt far smaller than that, much more about one persons story rather than that of the world around him.


Hmm, I'm not sure about that. Nolan may not have intended it to carry any political message, or he may have simply been disingenuous at the premiere. It doesn't really matter. Either way, I found it to carry some political messages (or perhaps, more accurately, some socio-political themes) that were transparent almost to the point of being heavy-handed. Not in the right-wing way covered earlier in the thread, mind (in fact, probably the exact opposite). But they jumped out at me.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 3:35:55 PM   
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Lots to take in, but ultimately I was disappointed. I couldn't understand a lot of the dialogue, mostly Bane's. I had big problems with the typically overcomplicated Nolan story. And I just found myself asking too many questions about the plausibility of the whole thing, why it was all happening and just what was the point of it all, including the League of Shadows.

Nowhere near as impactful, atmospheric or engaging as the previous two films, but as a third and final (?) episode, sure - it was ok.

Enjoyable, but overrated. 3.5-4/5

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 3:44:25 PM   
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Lots to take in, but ultimately I was disappointed. I couldn't understand a lot of the dialogue, mostly Bane's. I had big problems with the typically overcomplicated Nolan story. And I just found myself asking too many questions about the plausibility of the whole thing, why it was all happening and just what was the point of it all, including the League of Shadows.

Nowhere near as impactful, atmospheric or engaging as the previous two films, but as a third and final (?) episode, sure - it was ok.

Enjoyable, but overrated. 3.5-4/5


No good points but yet u still give it 3.5 or a 4

Saw it this morning, loved it, hoping to go see it again at the weekend, it has its faults but the the plus points far outweigh the bad ones and overall saw it as a fitting ending to one of the best series of films from the past 15 years

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 3:55:43 PM   
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loved it. perfect end to this trilogy.


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nice piece of misdirection in the 3rd act.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 4:06:51 PM   
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Regards the films politics.....Nolan, on camera at the premiere, confirmed he made no intention of putting any political message into the Batman films. So, from the horses mouth there is no political message contained within, not from his perspective. So, when the maker of the film says so, who are we to argue either way? I'm not sure if he has confirmed in interviews before that any of his Bat films were meant to carry any kind of political message, so am not sure if the latest interview contradicts something else he said previously. I guess I can only take a film director at his/her word and then critique his/her movie and its message based on my own viewing of it, and in terms of The Dark Knight Rises, I never once got any suggestion that the story was trying to carry any political message. It felt far smaller than that, much more about one persons story rather than that of the world around him.


Hmm, I'm not sure about that. Nolan may not have intended it to carry any political message, or he may have simply been disingenuous at the premiere. It doesn't really matter. Either way, I found it to carry some political messages (or perhaps, more accurately, some socio-political themes) that were transparent almost to the point of being heavy-handed. Not in the right-wing way covered earlier in the thread, mind (in fact, probably the exact opposite). But they jumped out at me.



In Batman Begins, when Ra's Al Ghul said the League of Shadows wanted to use economics as a cataclysmically destructive tool, no one crowed that it was an on-the-nose allegory of the financial crisis.  This is because in 2004 most people would have said "what crisis”.  8 years later we have shots on Wall Street and the immediate reaction is this is an on-the-nose allegory of Occupy Wall Street.   I think the point is, to put any kind of real-world stamp on a film that film is going to be of its time.  Not only is it natural to assume your immediate influences, it is unavoidable.  The assumption is that kind of sublimation is insidious coding when it's largely unintentional or overtly political when we encounter recognisable comparative imagery.  I've always been haunted by the formless notion for instance that Batman is all about S&M and the recent Smurfs' film was obsessed with the sinking of the Belgrano.  Given enough time, (but really imagination is all that is required for this) you could argue both quite emphatically, and who could argue.     

What's really annoying about this regurgitating debate is that this universal idea of sblimation is the exact same for every single piece of art/fiction ever created and to adopt a favoured "insight” into this particular series of movies isn't planting the flag it supposes it is.  That's what's annoying I suppose.  But to pursue it in this context seems to be second guessing the personality of the film makers as having an agenda without the broader, more plausible notion that they're as sensitive to the  modern world as the rest of us. Until we find out in later years that Christopher Nolan is really Leni Riefenstahl reborn (hair's a bit of a give-away)  I don't really think we can make that kind of call on "agenda”. The pronounced difference with Nolan's Batman films is the purposeful approach to do some kind of real-world stamp on it, obviating echoes and all that.  Other series in the genre are equally intent on pure escapism and the same tropes just aren't there, or at least aren't as recognisable.


EDIT:  That reads like I'm having a go at Superdan which is not the case.  I think it's normal to pass remarks about political undercurrents, the above is more a pseudo open letter to the more "hung-up" contributors

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RE: SUPERMAN TRAILER - 20/7/2012 4:27:19 PM   
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Spoilerific Question:


I might have missed a bit here as I was pretty tired - In the prison why did Talia have to escape and why did the other prisoners attack Bane? Was that covered?
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RE: SUPERMAN TRAILER - 20/7/2012 4:35:39 PM   
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I assumed it was because the pit was recognised as a 'League Of Shadows' prison, therefore killing the leader's daughter would have been seen as a bit of revenge....Maybe I'm wrong though....

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 4:47:53 PM   
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Lots to take in, but ultimately I was disappointed. I couldn't understand a lot of the dialogue, mostly Bane's. I had big problems with the typically overcomplicated Nolan story. And I just found myself asking too many questions about the plausibility of the whole thing, why it was all happening and just what was the point of it all, including the League of Shadows.

Nowhere near as impactful, atmospheric or engaging as the previous two films, but as a third and final (?) episode, sure - it was ok.

Enjoyable, but overrated. 3.5-4/5


No good points but yet u still give it 3.5 or a 4




Gimme a break. I did like parts of it, but not going to write a full explanation of my rating. Just my gut feeling. Just wanted to chime in with some balance to all the hype that this is going to get.

Definitely didn't enjoy this as much as The Avengers (for a superhero movie). But then again, Nolan's Batman films have never felt like superhero movies.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 4:52:40 PM   
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Lots to take in, but ultimately I was disappointed. I couldn't understand a lot of the dialogue, mostly Bane's. I had big problems with the typically overcomplicated Nolan story. And I just found myself asking too many questions about the plausibility of the whole thing, why it was all happening and just what was the point of it all, including the League of Shadows.

Nowhere near as impactful, atmospheric or engaging as the previous two films, but as a third and final (?) episode, sure - it was ok.

Enjoyable, but overrated. 3.5-4/5


No good points but yet u still give it 3.5 or a 4




Gimme a break. I did like parts of it, but not going to write a full explanation of my rating. Just my gut feeling. Just wanted to chime in with some balance to all the hype that this is going to get.

Definitely didn't enjoy this as much as The Avengers (for a superhero movie). But then again, Nolan's Batman films have never felt like superhero movies.


I watched the Avengers and I never once thought that Iron Man, Hulk, Thor etc...wouldn't do anything but win. With TDKR I felt the character was in serious trouble (plus Alfred, Gordon etc) and had more of a connection with him. I like both films BTW, I'm just saying Avengers is more of a popcorn comic book film, TDKR is a more serious film but with fantastical elements....which I personally prefer.


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 4:57:33 PM   
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I watched the Avengers and I never once thought that Iron Man, Hulk, Thor etc...wouldn't do anything but win. With TDKR I felt the character was in serious trouble (plus Alfred, Gordon etc) and had more of a connection with him. I like both films BTW, I'm just saying Avengers is more of a popcorn comic book film, TDKR is a more serious film but with fantastical elements....which I personally prefer.



Yep, I agree. But I disagree that Empire suggests this is a superhero movie making on an unprecedented scale. THAT praise belongs to Avengers.

I just wasn't moved or exhilarated by TDKR as much as I'd have hoped. Certainly not as much as I was in Batman Begins (which for me is still the best of the three - don't shoot!! hehe)

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 4:59:19 PM   
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Seen it (in IMAX, no less). Perfect ending to what, in my opinion, is the greatest trilogy in the history of film.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 5:02:01 PM   
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Seen it (in IMAX, no less). Perfect ending to what, in my opinion, is the greatest trilogy in the history of film.


What was the sound like? I've heard that IMAX has no problems with understanding dialogue, whereas in other cinemas (I saw it at Odeon Leceister Sq) some of the dialogue is unintelligable.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 5:06:08 PM   
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I watched the Avengers and I never once thought that Iron Man, Hulk, Thor etc...wouldn't do anything but win. With TDKR I felt the character was in serious trouble (plus Alfred, Gordon etc) and had more of a connection with him. I like both films BTW, I'm just saying Avengers is more of a popcorn comic book film, TDKR is a more serious film but with fantastical elements....which I personally prefer.



Yep, I agree. But I disagree that Empire suggests this is a superhero movie making on an unprecedented scale. THAT praise belongs to Avengers.

I just wasn't moved or exhilarated by TDKR as much as I'd have hoped. Certainly not as much as I was in Batman Begins (which for me is still the best of the three - don't shoot!! hehe)


You're right - in terms of getting multiple big characters together and make it work and be an even keel - Avengers nailed it. I also agree I didn't have a major emotional response apart from when Michael Caine was around who I thought was brilliant. That said it is unprecedented to "end" a superhero series......but it didn't really....did it?????


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 5:11:11 PM   
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When Memento director Christopher Nolan first helmed the reinvention of the Batman franchise in 2005, Batman Begins was originally conceived as a standalone film. This idea was scrapped when Nolan returned to the city of Gotham for The Dark Knight, which not only became the most successful film of 2008, but also presented a phenomenal performance from the late Heath Ledger as the Joker. Following the sequel’s huge success, there was much discussion about whether he would return to this world or not, but after his complex sci-fi blockbuster Inception, Nolan has decided to conclude his Dark Knight trilogy, with Christian Bale in the cape and cowl for the third and final time.

Eight years have passed since the death of Harvey Dent, of which the still-wanted vigilante Batman has been given the blame, whilst his alter-ego Bruce Wayne has since then, been a recluse from the public. With the arrival of the mysterious cat burglar Selina Kyle (Anne Hathaway) and the mercenary known as Bane (Tom Hardy) who has plans to destroy Gotham, Bruce gets out of his mansion and returns as the Dark Knight who now must become the hero that the city deserves.

As Christopher Nolan steps into Batman’s world for one more time, the big challenge for The Dark Knight Rises was living up to the expectations after its predecessor, which not only presented one of the greatest villains of all time, but set the bar high for comic book movies, in terms of grandeur and taking a closer step into reality, which suits our current political situations. Although one can see the political overtones that occur during the film such as a rather satirical sequence that echoes the Occupy Wall Street Movement, it has more honesty towards the comic book roots, in the same way that Batman Begins did, such as the theatricality of its heroes and villains.

With a running time of 165 minutes, which is incredibly long for a superhero movie, there is an awful lot going on as there are many subplots involving a bunch of new characters, the notable of which is Catwoman. For much of the time, this is serious drama that spans throughout the city and other continents, but there are times where you wished this was more streamlined because the epicness of it all is perhaps too ambitious. On the other hand, the writing by Nolan and his co-writer/brother Jonathan has much heart towards the characters, during the very intimate moments, including Michael Caine as the butler Alfred who breaks down due to the fact he can’t prevent Bruce from being his alter-ego.

Although much praise has been given towards Christian Bale in the role of DC Comics’ most iconic superhero (aside from one particular man of steel), his raspy voice as Batman was problematic for some, despite the fact that it’s Batman who has to be different from his billionaire counterpart. This time around, Bale presents his finest performance in the role of Bruce Wayne, who is introduced as a crippled hermit with no attention of having a normal life after the death of his love Rachel Dawes. With this new threat against Gotham, there is a level of excitement he gets once he puts on the Batsuit, without realising the danger is worse than he imagines and later must rise to face the final battle.

As for the new characters, Catwoman may seem like an odd addition to the Nolan Bat-verse and raises question whether this interpretation will live up to Michelle Pfeiffer’s feisty performance from Tim Burton’s Batman Returns. However, Anne Hathaway steals the show as not only does she provide the sexiness that the role requires, she captures the conflict Selina Kyle faces, which is her own flawed survival against her love towards Bruce Wayne.

Instead of introducing a Joker-like villain like the Riddler (which was a consideration), it was great that the filmmakers decided to go for a different sort of villain, in the shape of Bane, who stands out more as a physical menace for Batman. Despite the initial preview of Bane’s mumbling talk, which has now been tampered with to sound more clearly, Tom Hardy’s presence alone is enough to carry the film as the central antagonist; yes, he’s not the Joker, but then who is?

With grand action sequences such as the comeback for Batman who has a new vehicle to drive, as well as Bane’s master plan involving the destruction of an American football stadium, director Christopher Nolan has made his biggest film yet, to the point of that he’s almost made a war film with an entire city as the battlefield. In this current age where a lot of the big movies are in 3D, you will get a more immersive experience out of this film if seen on IMAX. With the majority of the film being shot in the IMAX format, Nolan and his long-time cinematographer Wally Pfister have made a work of art, in terms of scale and intimacy, whether it is the great helicopter shots or even the tiniest character moments.

Whilst this may lack the perfection of its predecessor and the sprawling epicness might be too much for the film to contain, Christopher Nolan’s third instalment is an ambitious, intelligent actioner that spectacularly concludes the great superhero trilogy of all time.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 5:11:57 PM   
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Seen it (in IMAX, no less). Perfect ending to what, in my opinion, is the greatest trilogy in the history of film.


What was the sound like? I've heard that IMAX has no problems with understanding dialogue, whereas in other cinemas (I saw it at Odeon Leceister Sq) some of the dialogue is unintelligable.


I still had issues with some dialogue in IMAX. Only a couple of times though, and this is certainly not something specific to Rises. Begins and Dark Knight have some lines of dialogue lost due to the sound mix and choice of effect on the vocal (I'm thinking specifically Scarecrow in Batman Begins) and recently I found dialogue was lost in the mix in Spiderman. But yea, there are a couple of lost lines here and there.

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