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And I'd agree with the poster who said, early on in this thread, that there's no need for a genuine Dark Knight Returns live action movie adaptation, as Nolan's incorporated its best and most relevant bits into Dark Knight Rises.

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Do you mean Memento? IMO still, by far, Nolan's best film.

Proving, Batspider, fairly conclusively that one can like one Nolan film and not like another. So let's be a little less rude to the fans, yes?

Yes, Memento, sorry. The Momentum sounds like a DTV Speed rip-off

The Prestige looks interesting, but I fear no movie can live up to its "Batman v Wolverine, refereed by David Bowie" hype

Now there's a film I would like to see. I can just imagine The Thin White Duke solemnly intoning:

I don't think I like this film. I'm to have to make some Ch-ch-ch-changes...!

Are you a fan of (famous Glasweigan!) Grant Morrison's take on Batman? I'd maintain that he's written the greatest Batman stories of my lifetime, the "Batman R.I.P" arc especially. He entitled one of his Joker-featuring chapters "The Thin White Duke of Death", which is superb.

The only Morrison Batman I've read is Arkham Asylum - very pretty to look at, not very good/pretentious, truth be told. I've still got a mint first edition in hardback if anyone wants to make me any outrageous offers...

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And I'd agree with the poster who said, early on in this thread, that there's no need for a genuine Dark Knight Returns live action movie adaptation, as Nolan's incorporated its best and most relevant bits into Dark Knight Rises.

Me again.

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And come on, does Pilot not say to Jesus, fairly rational and sceptical, "can you do a trick, now, for me"? The bit where Jesus says no but does tell him what he says on the streets, and the whole analogy of the statute is brilliant. Last Temptation is full of moments like that. Surprised it doesn't get more critical acclaim (honourably exception to Kevin Smith, who cited it as one of this favourite movies) . The bit where Jesus appears to John the Baptist and all the sound leeches out when John realises Jesus is who the prophets spoke of is superb.

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And come on, does Pilot not say to Jesus, fairly rational and sceptical, "can you do a trick, now, for me"? The bit where Jesus says no but does tell him what he says on the streets, and the whole analogy of the statute is brilliant. Last Temptation is full of moments like that. Surprised it doesn't get more critical acclaim (honourably exception to Kevin Smith, who cited it as one of this favourite movies) . The bit where Jesus appears to John the Baptist and all the sound leeches out when John realises Jesus is who the prophets spoke of is superb.

I love The Last Temptation of Christ. Though not half as much as I loved all the fuss whipped-up by Bible-bashing fuckwits at the time who clearly hadn't seen the thing - Pastor Jack Glass (who made Osama bin Laden look like a moderate) famously threw "thirty pieces of silver" at the Glasgow city councillors who OK-ed its screening in the city. Wish I'd been there - I'd have shouted "SCRAMBLE!"

The Last Temptation of Christ is so good it even inspired an episode of Doctor Who - that "Last Temptation of The Doctor" bit at the end of The Family of Blood.

(Am I remembering right? But does a lion not walk up to Jesus Defoe in the desert and say: "Hello. I'm a lion..."?)

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What's clap acting?

It's an old Spitting Image joke. Oshima directed Bowie in Melly Chlistmas, Mr Lawrence...

(I said joke!)

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Never seen Into the Night, might look it up.

Highly recommended. John Landis caper movie with a shockingly young Jeff Goldblum and a never-lovelier Michelle Pfeiffer.

Come on, what about Batman Returns? Never been a slash-fiction fan (don't the pages get stuck together ?) but the prospect of Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman and Ann Hathaway Catwoman hooking up is an exciting one!

She doesn't get her kit off in Batman Returns.

Ah, fair point ! Although it still cracks me up that Burton managed to get the line "just the pussy I've been looking for" into what is ostensibly a kids' film!

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ORIGINAL: cerebusboy

What's clap acting?

It's an old Spitting Image joke. Oshima directed Bowie in Melly Chlistmas, Mr Lawrence...

(I said joke!)

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Never seen Into the Night, might look it up.

Highly recommended. John Landis caper movie with a shockingly young Jeff Goldblum and a never-lovelier Michelle Pfeiffer.

Come on, what about Batman Returns? Never been a slash-fiction fan (don't the pages get stuck together ?) but the prospect of Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman and Ann Hathaway Catwoman hooking up is an exciting one!

She doesn't get her kit off in Batman Returns.

Ah, fair point ! Although it still cracks me up that Burton managed to get the line "just the pussy I've been looking for" into what is ostensibly a kids' film!

That was the least of the complaints about Batman Begins at the time.

Parents complained about just how wonderfully transgressive this "family film" was (everyone's a sexually fucked-up freak except the real bad guy who's "normal"; it begins with a deformed baby being chucked down the sewers* at Christmas - a twisted/blasphemous re-enactment of the Moses story), Burger King was pissed-off that it was tied-in with such sick filth, and Warners weren't best-chuffed that their summer tent pole made half it's total haul in just the first week of release - which happens all the time now.

Batman Begins was a Manson Family film. Which is why I still love it!

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Yeah, his recent, definitive Bat-run is a lot better than Arkham Asylum. And he's created, in Damian Wayne (Batman's son with Talia!) what (fanboys be damned! ) I maintain is the best Robin ever.

There's a superb bit in Batman RIP where Batman is trapped in a coffin, buried alive, and he actually narrates how (being Batman!) he prepared for this (and every other) eventuality:
"Batman, narrating: 206 bones, five major organs, 60,000 miles of blood vessels. All it takes is time. Days. Months. Years, spent memorizing the finite ways there are to hurt and break a man. Preparing for all of them. I've escaped from every conceivable deathtrap. Ten times. A dozen times. I can slow my breathing and metabolism to control panic and conserve air. Straitjacket's kindergarden. Locks, too. Benchpressing a pine coffin lid through 600 pounds of loose soil that's filling your mouth, crushing your lungs flat and shredding your dehydrated muscles? That's harder.

(bursts out of the ground)

But far from impossible.

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Yeah, his recent, definitive Bat-run is a lot better than Arkham Asylum. And he's created, in Damian Wayne (Batman's son with Talia!) what (fanboys be damned! ) I maintain is the best Robin ever.

There's a superb bit in Batman RIP where Batman is trapped in a coffin, buried alive, and he actually narrates how (being Batman!) he prepared for this (and every other) eventuality:
"Batman, narrating: 206 bones, five major organs, 60,000 miles of blood vessels. All it takes is time. Days. Months. Years, spent memorizing the finite ways there are to hurt and break a man. Preparing for all of them. I've escaped from every conceivable deathtrap. Ten times. A dozen times. I can slow my breathing and metabolism to control panic and conserve air. Straitjacket's kindergarden. Locks, too. Benchpressing a pine coffin lid through 600 pounds of loose soil that's filling your mouth, crushing your lungs flat and shredding your dehydrated muscles? That's harder.

(bursts out of the ground)

But far from impossible.

Just highly improbable.

(I still think Batman's biggest liability would be his cape a la Watchmen/The Incredibles.)

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Yeah, I've got a lot of time for Batman Returns (is it just me, or was Empire a lot bigger and glossier circa 92, or is that just one of those things when growing up makes things seem smaller?) .

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You can see Matt Wagner's point that Batman was just as fucked up as the Villains in the Batman movies, but Burton's Penguin is a lot more interesting that the comics version of the character.

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And I'd agree with the poster who said, early on in this thread, that there's no need for a genuine Dark Knight Returns live action movie adaptation, as Nolan's incorporated its best and most relevant bits into Dark Knight Rises.

Me again.

Like Superman, you're always around

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Yeah, I've got a lot of time for Batman Returns (is it just me, or was Empire a lot bigger and glossier circa 92, or is that just one of those things when growing up makes things seem smaller?) .

It's just you - EMPIRE's not as good as it used to be, etc... (It never was.)

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And I'd agree with the poster who said, early on in this thread, that there's no need for a genuine Dark Knight Returns live action movie adaptation, as Nolan's incorporated its best and most relevant bits into Dark Knight Rises.

Me again.

Like Superman, you're always around

And depending on what I've been drinking, I also wear my pants over my tights.

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Yeah, I've got a lot of time for Batman Returns (is it just me, or was Empire a lot bigger and glossier circa 92, or is that just one of those things when growing up makes things seem smaller?) .

It's just you - EMPIRE's not as good as it used to be, etc... (It never was.)

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You can see Matt Wagner's point that Batman was just as fucked up as the Villains in the Batman movies, but Burton's Penguin is a lot more interesting that the comics version of the character.

Matt Wagner's Batman/Grendel crossover, Devil's Riddle, was superb, really capturing the essence, parallels and differences between the two and what they represent.

I don't regularly read comics these days. But I occasionally pick high-profile things up after the fact. Following your recommendation, I'll probably give Morrison's Batman a shout.

(When my kid was born, I used to take him into Forbidden Planet in a sling/papoose just to count all the disapproving scowls from fanboys who looked like they had absolutely no fucking idea where babies came from! )

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Yeah, I've got a lot of time for Batman Returns (is it just me, or was Empire a lot bigger and glossier circa 92, or is that just one of those things when growing up makes things seem smaller?) .

It's just you - EMPIRE's not as good as it used to be, etc... (It never was.)

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You can see Matt Wagner's point that Batman was just as fucked up as the Villains in the Batman movies, but Burton's Penguin is a lot more interesting that the comics version of the character.

Matt Wagner's Batman/Grendel crossover, Devil's Riddle, was superb, really capturing the essence, parallels and differences between the two and what they represent.

I don't regularly read comics these days. But I occasionally pick high-profile things up after the fact. Following your recommendation, I'll probably give Morrison's Batman a shout.

(When my kid was born, I used to take him into Forbidden Planet in a sling/papoose just to count all the disapproving scowls from fanboys who looked like they had absolutely no fucking idea where babies came from! )

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Yeah, I've got a lot of time for Batman Returns (is it just me, or was Empire a lot bigger and glossier circa 92, or is that just one of those things when growing up makes things seem smaller?) .

It's just you - EMPIRE's not as good as it used to be, etc... (It never was.)

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You can see Matt Wagner's point that Batman was just as fucked up as the Villains in the Batman movies, but Burton's Penguin is a lot more interesting that the comics version of the character.

Matt Wagner's Batman/Grendel crossover, Devil's Riddle, was superb, really capturing the essence, parallels and differences between the two and what they represent.

I don't regularly read comics these days. But I occasionally pick high-profile things up after the fact. Following your recommendation, I'll probably give Morrison's Batman a shout.

(When my kid was born, I used to take him into Forbidden Planet in a sling/papoose just to count all the disapproving scowls from fanboys who looked like they had absolutely no fucking idea where babies came from! )

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Yeah, I've got a lot of time for Batman Returns (is it just me, or was Empire a lot bigger and glossier circa 92, or is that just one of those things when growing up makes things seem smaller?) .

It's just you - EMPIRE's not as good as it used to be, etc... (It never was.)

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You can see Matt Wagner's point that Batman was just as fucked up as the Villains in the Batman movies, but Burton's Penguin is a lot more interesting that the comics version of the character.

Matt Wagner's Batman/Grendel crossover, Devil's Riddle, was superb, really capturing the essence, parallels and differences between the two and what they represent.

I don't regularly read comics these days. But I occasionally pick high-profile things up after the fact. Following your recommendation, I'll probably give Morrison's Batman a shout.

(When my kid was born, I used to take him into Forbidden Planet in a sling/papoose just to count all the disapproving scowls from fanboys who looked like they had absolutely no fucking idea where babies came from! )

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It's a hell of a film (so to speak). Superb Peter Gabriel soundtrack too. Ironically I know lots of liberal, sensible Christians who like it, whereas it's usually zoomers and evangementalists who hate it (without having seen it of course!). Can't be too harsh on the late Pope John Paul II's views on movies though; he famously installed a theatre in the Vatican, and picked 2001 as one of his films of the century!

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Jack Glass once protested outside the Vatican with a sign saying "No Pope of Rome" Can just imagine the italian for "dude, he's right there!"

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Yes, Russel T Davis was certainly fond of ripping of..I mean, being INSPIRED by classic movies
I maintain that his entire time on Doctor Who still wasn't as good as his superb Queer as Folk.

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I like the lion!
http://www.anyclip.com/movies/the-last-temptation-of-christ/conversation-with-the-lion/

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Yeah, I've got a lot of time for Batman Returns (is it just me, or was Empire a lot bigger and glossier circa 92, or is that just one of those things when growing up makes things seem smaller?) .

It's just you - EMPIRE's not as good as it used to be, etc... (It never was.)

Noo, I'm serious - does anyone have a copy of a '92 Empire and a 2012 one for comparison? I'm curious if there's been a creme egg style reduction!

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ORIGINAL: Beetlejuice!
P.S. I do think the film should have acknowledged the Joker in some way because every other previous character from the series seems to get mentioned.

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SPOILER ALERT!
Some questions remain unanswered-
1) Like Batman, why is the Batmobile also weak? In Dark Knight, we see that when the Joker luanches a bazooka, it flies and hits the Tumbler, but Batman is safe. In The Dark Knight Rises, when the Batplane shoots the Batmobile, it disintegrates with one simple shot!
2) Near the end, Marinda stabs Batman. I thought the suit was made of layers of meshing; what happened to the basics of Batman Begins?
3) In the 1st fight, why is Bane hitting him like a punching bag? He holds him quite comfortably in the air like a baby!
4) When Wayne jumps on a ledge and he goes for round 2, he seems to fight Bane like a toy. Now how come it becomes so simple?
5) The silliest mistake! Final Round- Wayne vs. Bane. When Bane tries to kill Batman in the final act, Catwoman appears all of a sudden and kills him like it was child's play. Why? Why it becomes so easy when we reach the end!

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And I'd agree with the poster who said, early on in this thread, that there's no need for a genuine Dark Knight Returns live action movie adaptation, as Nolan's incorporated its best and most relevant bits into Dark Knight Rises.

Me again.

Like Superman, you're always around

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No way this is a 5 star movie. I was disappointed. This was like a couple of episodes of 24.

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watch Dredd to see how an action movie should be done.

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watch Dredd to see how an action movie should be done.

How can you compare Dredd and The Dark Knight Rises?!

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ORIGINAL: Fluke Skywalker

I've not seen Dredd but surely you can compare the quality of the action scenes if nothing else

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I've not seen Dredd but surely you can compare the quality of the action scenes if nothing else