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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 4:42:32 PM   
Discodez

 

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Just wanted to change the thread title back to what it should be again.

ooooh look the Dark Knight is fascist - and look here's an article in the Guardian that regurgitates an opinion about comic books, and in particular Batman and Superman as characters that's been around for over 50 years, I'll just relate it to Bush's war on terror to make myself look like I can form opinions on my own.

btw when you get your third in American studies from Braintree Polytechnic or wherever it will be because the main reference you used to back up your argument was a lazy and predictable guest column on the Guardian website.

You know who you are.

Anyhoo, hopefully going to see TDKR on Saturday and then in IMAX next Friday before I go on my hols
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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 19/7/2012 8:40:50 PM   
BelfastBoy

 

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Fair enough about my question relating to people who may or may not make cameo appearances. Realised after posting that even the answers would be spoilers in themselves, so it's sensible that nobody replied. If anyone's wondering, my rationale was just to confirm or deny the rumours, about characters who have already been seen in previous Nolan Batman films. In themselves, for anyone who's seen the previous films and have followed stories (on Empire and elsewhere) about certain actors linked with the production, confirmation of such cameos would hardly be surprising - if they happen, of course. However, I appreciate that even knowing who may or may not appear in the film could involve serious spoilers in themselves, so sorry if my question seemed daft! Hoping to see the film this weekend and so will know soon enough.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 12:50:54 AM   
fiercehairdo

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Discodez

Just wanted to change the thread title back to what it should be again.

ooooh look the Dark Knight is fascist - and look here's an article in the Guardian that regurgitates an opinion about comic books, and in particular Batman and Superman as characters that's been around for over 50 years, I'll just relate it to Bush's war on terror to make myself look like I can form opinions on my own.

btw when you get your third in American studies from Braintree Polytechnic or wherever it will be because the main reference you used to back up your argument was a lazy and predictable guest column on the Guardian website.

You know who you are.

Anyhoo, hopefully going to see TDKR on Saturday and then in IMAX next Friday before I go on my hols


I "backed it up" by pointing to evidence of the movies themselves.

Furthermore, as many people on here defending TDK & TDKR have pointed out, it was Nolan himself who linked Batman to the war on terror. I just commented on the link that has been widely recognised in the films.

Unfortunately the only "lazy and predictable" thing here is the ad hominen attacks you engage in without anything of substance to add to the debate.

But hey, enjoy your "hols"!!

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 9:06:10 AM   
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I have big problems with the film. Currently think it is around the three star mark.

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RE: I wanted the perfect end to the trilogy!!! - 20/7/2012 9:52:15 AM   
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And I got it. Absolutely amazing. As we all know, trilogies more often that not end poorly in the 3rd film. DKR is the perfect end to the trilogy. I asked a few weeks ago if this set of films would be considered the greatest movie trilogy in the next Empire poll. IMO I got the answer this morning. A massive thank you goes to Christopher Nolan et al for delivering.


I think you'll find the greatest trilogy without a question of doubt is TOY STORY!

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RE: I wanted the perfect end to the trilogy!!! - 20/7/2012 10:27:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nexus Wookie


quote:

ORIGINAL: evilpickle4

And I got it. Absolutely amazing. As we all know, trilogies more often that not end poorly in the 3rd film. DKR is the perfect end to the trilogy. I asked a few weeks ago if this set of films would be considered the greatest movie trilogy in the next Empire poll. IMO I got the answer this morning. A massive thank you goes to Christopher Nolan et al for delivering.


I think you'll find the greatest trilogy without a question of doubt is The Evil Dead!


Fixed that for you...

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RE: I wanted the perfect end to the trilogy!!! - 20/7/2012 10:27:58 AM   
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I’m going with 5 stars myself, although it is pretty heavy going in terms of cross cutting between the minutiae of plot-points which are sardined into the running time. But that’s certainly par for the course with The Dark Knight in particular.   So that’s my only caveat about Rises, thunderingly epic, but “heavy going”.

Perhaps it was the ridiculously early time I saw this at but it was often truly nightmarish…but in a good way.  I thought Bane was the most terrifying movie villain I’ve seen in a while, Hardy managing to exude a larger than life twisted charisma under the metal maw.  Nolan agnostics will again see this as as ambitious to a fault (a problem I found with Inception) but I kind of respond to the austere, often heavy-handed approach to retool the comic book genre.  Nolan’s trilogy is self-evidently in a different league than its genre peers, willing to exhibit a type of screen brutality that teeters dangerously between acceptable stylised violence and just plain violence…but I like that.  It’s a dynamic that the majority of these films don’t have.    So yeah, I thought TDKR was brutal.  Good brutal though, not bad brutal.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 10:28:12 AM   
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I have big problems with the film. Currently think it is around the three star mark.


Just don't give it four when it's out on DVD or I'll be pissed.

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RE: I wanted the perfect end to the trilogy!!! - 20/7/2012 10:47:36 AM   
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Toy Story WAS the greatest trilogy of all time... until I walked out of the cinema at 8am this morning.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nexus Wookie


quote:

ORIGINAL: evilpickle4

And I got it. Absolutely amazing. As we all know, trilogies more often that not end poorly in the 3rd film. DKR is the perfect end to the trilogy. I asked a few weeks ago if this set of films would be considered the greatest movie trilogy in the next Empire poll. IMO I got the answer this morning. A massive thank you goes to Christopher Nolan et al for delivering.


I think you'll find the greatest trilogy without a question of doubt is TOY STORY!



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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 10:57:29 AM   
Discodez

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: fiercehairdo


quote:

ORIGINAL: Discodez

Just wanted to change the thread title back to what it should be again.

ooooh look the Dark Knight is fascist - and look here's an article in the Guardian that regurgitates an opinion about comic books, and in particular Batman and Superman as characters that's been around for over 50 years, I'll just relate it to Bush's war on terror to make myself look like I can form opinions on my own.

btw when you get your third in American studies from Braintree Polytechnic or wherever it will be because the main reference you used to back up your argument was a lazy and predictable guest column on the Guardian website.

You know who you are.

Anyhoo, hopefully going to see TDKR on Saturday and then in IMAX next Friday before I go on my hols


I "backed it up" by pointing to evidence of the movies themselves.

Furthermore, as many people on here defending TDK & TDKR have pointed out, it was Nolan himself who linked Batman to the war on terror. I just commented on the link that has been widely recognised in the films.

Unfortunately the only "lazy and predictable" thing here is the ad hominen attacks you engage in without anything of substance to add to the debate.

But hey, enjoy your "hols"!!


Thanks for that, you've made my morning - when you have something new to say rather than going over the same old tired ground again and again (Nolan's Batman films are right wing propaganda blah blah blah) in a desperate attempt to get someone to agree with you then maybe we can engage in a proper debate, until then I will continue to find you laugable, predictable and boring.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 11:11:52 AM   
BelovedAunt

 

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I though it was good enough but as a stand alone film it would never have got 5 stars. It rounded off the trilogy well enough and certainly no disappointment. The major league Batman geek I went with had loads of issues with it however and apparently saw everything coming. I did almost laugh the first time Bane spoke....

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 11:17:23 AM   
clownfoot


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Discodez


quote:

ORIGINAL: fiercehairdo


quote:

ORIGINAL: Discodez

Just wanted to change the thread title back to what it should be again.

ooooh look the Dark Knight is fascist - and look here's an article in the Guardian that regurgitates an opinion about comic books, and in particular Batman and Superman as characters that's been around for over 50 years, I'll just relate it to Bush's war on terror to make myself look like I can form opinions on my own.

btw when you get your third in American studies from Braintree Polytechnic or wherever it will be because the main reference you used to back up your argument was a lazy and predictable guest column on the Guardian website.

You know who you are.

Anyhoo, hopefully going to see TDKR on Saturday and then in IMAX next Friday before I go on my hols


I "backed it up" by pointing to evidence of the movies themselves.

Furthermore, as many people on here defending TDK & TDKR have pointed out, it was Nolan himself who linked Batman to the war on terror. I just commented on the link that has been widely recognised in the films.

Unfortunately the only "lazy and predictable" thing here is the ad hominen attacks you engage in without anything of substance to add to the debate.

But hey, enjoy your "hols"!!


Thanks for that, you've made my morning - when you have something new to say rather than going over the same old tired ground again and again (Nolan's Batman films are right wing propaganda blah blah blah) in a desperate attempt to get someone to agree with you then maybe we can engage in a proper debate, until then I will continue to find you laugable, predictable and boring.


I'm pretty sure everyone else that responded to Fiercehairdo's perception of the movies did so in a less confrontational manner. Can you tone that down and at least engage in the debate rather than having a go at the individual?

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 11:25:03 AM   
Discodez

 

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Sorry about that, I allowed my frustration at seeing the same thing yet again, to boil over a bit there.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 11:40:49 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot


quote:

ORIGINAL: Discodez


quote:

ORIGINAL: fiercehairdo


quote:

ORIGINAL: Discodez

Just wanted to change the thread title back to what it should be again.

ooooh look the Dark Knight is fascist - and look here's an article in the Guardian that regurgitates an opinion about comic books, and in particular Batman and Superman as characters that's been around for over 50 years, I'll just relate it to Bush's war on terror to make myself look like I can form opinions on my own.

btw when you get your third in American studies from Braintree Polytechnic or wherever it will be because the main reference you used to back up your argument was a lazy and predictable guest column on the Guardian website.

You know who you are.

Anyhoo, hopefully going to see TDKR on Saturday and then in IMAX next Friday before I go on my hols


I "backed it up" by pointing to evidence of the movies themselves.

Furthermore, as many people on here defending TDK & TDKR have pointed out, it was Nolan himself who linked Batman to the war on terror. I just commented on the link that has been widely recognised in the films.

Unfortunately the only "lazy and predictable" thing here is the ad hominen attacks you engage in without anything of substance to add to the debate.

But hey, enjoy your "hols"!!


Thanks for that, you've made my morning - when you have something new to say rather than going over the same old tired ground again and again (Nolan's Batman films are right wing propaganda blah blah blah) in a desperate attempt to get someone to agree with you then maybe we can engage in a proper debate, until then I will continue to find you laugable, predictable and boring.


I'm pretty sure everyone else that responded to Fiercehairdo's perception of the movies did so in a less confrontational manner. Can you tone that down and at least engage in the debate rather than having a go at the individual?

Who are you? Some conformist stiff who must defend one person by judging another. They were Sunday school exchanges, nothing compared to some of the lowest degrees of conduct shown up here in the past. The man can argue defensively for himself.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 11:52:31 AM   
rawlinson

 

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ORIGINAL: burtbondy

Who are you? Some conformist stiff


Clownie, you've found your new title.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 12:00:48 PM   
mr_merrick

 

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What an experience!...I survived all three in a row at the IMAX.
Will leave discussion of the film for when I'm more awake.
Only minor nitpicks: Bane's dialogue (using the Prologue screened befere M:I-4 as a reference) 'has' been altered/re-recorded. Compared to the original 6 minute preview, the timing, tone and delivery of Bane's voice seems forced/rehearsed (like they stuck Tom Hardy in an ADR booth at the last minute to appease the hard of hearing complainers). Luckily, throughout the rest of the film, he sounds as menacing as he looks.
There's also a glaring continuity error during an action sequence early in the film where it switches from broad daylight to darkness.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 12:02:13 PM   
clownfoot


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quote:

ORIGINAL: rawlinson


quote:

ORIGINAL: burtbondy

Who are you? Some conformist stiff


Clownie, you've found your new title.


I prefer 'Born to Mod'. As for burt, I might change his title to 'cluless numpty'...

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 12:11:45 PM   
Discodez

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot


quote:

ORIGINAL: rawlinson


quote:

ORIGINAL: burtbondy

Who are you? Some conformist stiff


Clownie, you've found your new title.


I prefer 'Born to Mod'. As for burt, I might change his title to 'cluless numpty'...


Surely that would be an unjustified "ad hominem attack"

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 12:14:33 PM   
porntrooper

 

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Just got back from my second viewing, and honestly enjoyed it more this time round. I still think this is a great, great movie and great end to the trilogy. Shot well, acted well, great score, great action and for the most part an engaging story. I still have a few issues with the overall plot, some of the twists it takes aren't given enough weight and just feel thrown in and there are still a couple of things I dont like regards the resolution, but they're minor and overshadowed by all the great things. Sell out crowd this morning seemed to really be enjoying it - the guy next to me seemed to be having nerdgasms at various points, giggling like a school girl. Only audible sign of dissaproval came at one point during the very final moments. C'mon people, more people need to see this so it can be discussed in more detail! I'm dying to hear some people's thoughts!!

As an aside, the Man Of Steel teaser has not been on any of my two screenings, but Skyfall was there this morning and that looks stunning.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 12:19:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot


quote:

ORIGINAL: rawlinson


quote:

ORIGINAL: burtbondy

Who are you? Some conformist stiff


Clownie, you've found your new title.


I prefer 'Born to Mod'. As for burt, I might change his title to 'cluless numpty'...

When it comes to insults its ok for you to do so but not anybody else? As for who you are , the clue is partly in your user name isn't it.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 12:23:40 PM   
waltham1979


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Discodez


quote:

ORIGINAL: fiercehairdo


quote:

ORIGINAL: Discodez

Just wanted to change the thread title back to what it should be again.

ooooh look the Dark Knight is fascist - and look here's an article in the Guardian that regurgitates an opinion about comic books, and in particular Batman and Superman as characters that's been around for over 50 years, I'll just relate it to Bush's war on terror to make myself look like I can form opinions on my own.

btw when you get your third in American studies from Braintree Polytechnic or wherever it will be because the main reference you used to back up your argument was a lazy and predictable guest column on the Guardian website.

You know who you are.

Anyhoo, hopefully going to see TDKR on Saturday and then in IMAX next Friday before I go on my hols


I "backed it up" by pointing to evidence of the movies themselves.

Furthermore, as many people on here defending TDK & TDKR have pointed out, it was Nolan himself who linked Batman to the war on terror. I just commented on the link that has been widely recognised in the films.

Unfortunately the only "lazy and predictable" thing here is the ad hominen attacks you engage in without anything of substance to add to the debate.

But hey, enjoy your "hols"!!


Thanks for that, you've made my morning - when you have something new to say rather than going over the same old tired ground again and again (Nolan's Batman films are right wing propaganda blah blah blah) in a desperate attempt to get someone to agree with you then maybe we can engage in a proper debate, until then I will continue to find you laugable, predictable and boring.


Sounds like my sex life...

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 12:28:39 PM   
clownfoot


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quote:

ORIGINAL: burtbondy


quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot


quote:

ORIGINAL: rawlinson


quote:

ORIGINAL: burtbondy

Who are you? Some conformist stiff


Clownie, you've found your new title.


I prefer 'Born to Mod'. As for burt, I might change his title to 'cluless numpty'...

When it comes to insults its ok for you to do so but not anybody else? As for who you are , the clue is partly in your user name isn't it.


Sorry, I thought these were Sunday school exchanges that you didn't have a problem with...

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 12:36:39 PM   
porntrooper

 

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Reading some other forums to some reactions - I'm staggered people are struggling to understand the ending. I can understand that a lot of people are going to hate that final 5 or so minutes, but to just outright not understand what was being shown - that's baffling. Maybe it's me, maybe I'm thinking of it all too simply, but I don't think there is anything there that doesn't make total sense or that leaves questions to be answered. Mental.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 12:46:51 PM   
Discodez

 

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Sounds like my sex life...




awww.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 12:53:23 PM   
demoncleaner


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quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

Reading some other forums to some reactions - I'm staggered people are struggling to understand the ending. I can understand that a lot of people are going to hate that final 5 or so minutes, but to just outright not understand what was being shown - that's baffling. Maybe it's me, maybe I'm thinking of it all too simply, but I don't think there is anything there that doesn't make total sense or that leaves questions to be answered. Mental.


The ending didn't bother me in the slightest, but I can't pretend to fully understand it, I have a very off the cuff theory that keeps me relatively satisfied me.

SPOILER
I simply assume it was in Alfred's head, and that this is another deliberately ambiguous Inception type ending.  Nothing wrong with that for me at all.  I think any alternative requires mind-bending semantics that would probably take the shine off the film for me if I had to think too heavily on it.

END SPOILER 

But yes, post your own views on this because I'm pretty open to alternatives, its always 99.9% possible I've missed something glaringly obvious, it's happened before

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 12:56:10 PM   
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Well I ended up really enjoying it, which is a massive relief not least because I was deeply unsure for the first 15 minutes or so. It grew quite well into itself, though felt a bit rushed at times (no doubt due to having to cram so much into the run-time). Thought Hathaway did well, Hardy... less so, though I think that's more to do with him being slightly underused and adopting one of the most unintentionally funny voices for a villain I've ever heard. Overall though it's a fine addition, though it doesn't quite reach the 5-star glory I'd been led to believe. Solid 4, touching 4 and a half towards the end for me.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 1:00:15 PM   
Whistler


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Just heard about this. Fucking horrible. What's wrong with some people

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9414264/Batman-cinema-shooting-14-people-shot-dead-and-50-injured-in-Denver.html

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 1:08:13 PM   
porntrooper

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: demoncleaner

quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

Reading some other forums to some reactions - I'm staggered people are struggling to understand the ending. I can understand that a lot of people are going to hate that final 5 or so minutes, but to just outright not understand what was being shown - that's baffling. Maybe it's me, maybe I'm thinking of it all too simply, but I don't think there is anything there that doesn't make total sense or that leaves questions to be answered. Mental.


The ending didn't bother me in the slightest, but I can't pretend to fully understand it, I have a very off the cuff theory that keeps me relatively satisfied me.

SPOILER
I simply assume it was in Alfred's head, and that this is another deliberately ambiguous Inception type ending.  Nothing wrong with that for me at all.  I think any alternative requires mind-bending semantics that would probably take the shine off the film for me if I had to think too heavily on it.

END SPOILER 

But yes, post your own views on this because I'm pretty open to alternatives, its always 99.9% possible I've missed something glaringly obvious, it's happened before



OK, there are spoilers here people.... I've tried to hide them, but I've no real idea if that worked... so tread carefully.

The whole 'It's Alfred's fantasy, it's in his head - Inception style' thought aroudn the ending doesn't really work, cos it's clear that the Bat-Signal is fixed and that Bruce fixed the auto-pilot on The Bat. They make a point that Wayne's mother's pearls are the only item missing - an item that is established has a tracking device that Alfred know's about - and Alfred clearly tells Bruce that he takes his holiday's in Florence each year, visiting that cafe. There are four solid reasons that are all put on screen that support the fact that Bruce lives and has done a runner with Selina.

The other part people seem to be getting hung up on is Blake's role in the final shot. Now, here I think there are a couple of possibilities, either Blake will go on to become Batman or he doesn't. People are suggesting that he can't go on to be Batman as he hasn't trained like Bruce... well, that seems ridiculous to me, suggesting that Blake is going to just pop the suit on and go out fighting crime. I think what is more likely, and is what the movie is suggesting, is that the symbol of Batman remains there and that if Blake chooses to, he can become Batman, but it probably wont be a 'suit up and off I go' kinda deal. Blake explains to Bruce that he has that same desire, anger and fight that Bruce has, he understands what it is that drives Bruce to be Batman. When Batman returns he is pretty clear to Blake, saying the mask isn't to protect himself but others. It seems pretty cut and dried that he is making the suggestion that Blake coule wear the/a mask. Blake already knows that Bruce is Batman, so having that final shot of Blake in the cave as the suit rises doesnt work as payoff for that character as he already knows that secret. It only works as pay off if it's making the suggestion that he is going to do something with it. I loved it. Only thing that I didnt really like about that part was the 'use your real name' line. Couldve done without that.


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 1:10:06 PM   
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Just come out of screening and really enjoyed it. Quite a lot to take in and I personally liked the ending however did predict most of it during the film. Good sound track, good sfx, quality acting but dare I say it........not enough Batman????? Will discuss more once digested it.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 20/7/2012 1:16:14 PM   
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Well I ended up really enjoying it, which is a massive relief not least because I was deeply unsure for the first 15 minutes or so. It grew quite well into itself, though felt a bit rushed at times (no doubt due to having to cram so much into the run-time). Thought Hathaway did well, Hardy... less so, though I think that's more to do with him being slightly underused and adopting one of the most unintentionally funny voices for a villain I've ever heard. Overall though it's a fine addition, though it doesn't quite reach the 5-star glory I'd been led to believe. Solid 4, touching 4 and a half towards the end for me.


I couldnt be further away from that opinion - I loved Hardy's choice of voice! There were times that he wasn't clear (although actually when I think about it, it was just once during the first 'Underground Army' scene) but I thought the accent coupled with the metalic tone and the wheeze, was great. I thought it was superb during his two big speeches at the stadium and on the steps of Blackgate, in fact during the Blackgate scene in particular I thought Hardy was superb and he got across a lot through his eyes. I also really liked Bane's voice as he taunted Bat's during their first fight. Yea, although he is no Joker, I thought Hardy as Bane was superb.

As for being rushed, I didnt really notice it during the first watch, but seeing it again today I did feel like parts may have been trimmed and edited down to bring the run time down. It felt like certain parts of the plot (Dagget's involvement with Bane and the need for Bruce's fingerprints, maybe?) needed some more room. I wonder if much was shot and left on the edit room floor.

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