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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 3:29:35 PM   
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Yeah I agree that he would have been fine for cash (people don't get that rich without knowing ways to fuck over the tax man etc) it's just I thought the comment I highlighted was a bit bizzare considering they'd already shared out his estate.

A quick question. Does having a spinal injury help knee cartilege regenerate?

I'm assuming he didn't have his leg brace when he was climbing out of the pit.


Maybe Tom Conti was punching him in the knee too?



Haha! Good point!
The fixing a broken back/protruding vertebrae by hanging on a rope was one of the more ludicrous plot contrivances. Utterly laughable.


I doubt the pit had a spinal unit down there so they had to do what they could, taken from the Batman School of Medicine i.e. punch it better.

From a plotting point of view, presumably a dislocated / slipped vertebrae is more medically suitable than a fractured spine if the character needs to recover without the aid of specialist facilities, but it's still a broken back (which I was surprised they even included in the film by the way).

I took the hanging upright in a rope thing to be a way to force him to strengthen his back muscles by staying vertical for however many weeks. The fact he's a hard bastard, with nearly 20 years of intense training behind him probably helped too - he was still in shape even as a recluse with a dodgy knee (which seemed to me to have been psychosomatic...to an extent)!

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 3:33:20 PM   
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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 3:41:02 PM   
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Yeah I agree that he would have been fine for cash (people don't get that rich without knowing ways to fuck over the tax man etc) it's just I thought the comment I highlighted was a bit bizzare considering they'd already shared out his estate.

A quick question. Does having a spinal injury help knee cartilege regenerate?

I'm assuming he didn't have his leg brace when he was climbing out of the pit.


Maybe Tom Conti was punching him in the knee too?



Haha! Good point!
The fixing a broken back/protruding vertebrae by hanging on a rope was one of the more ludicrous plot contrivances. Utterly laughable.


I doubt the pit had a spinal unit down there so they had to do what they could, taken from the Batman School of Medicine i.e. punch it better.

From a plotting point of view, presumably a dislocated / slipped vertebrae is more medically suitable than a fractured spine if the character needs to recover without the aid of specialist facilities, but it's still a broken back (which I was surprised they even included in the film by the way).

I took the hanging upright in a rope thing to be a way to force him to strengthen his back muscles by staying vertical for however many weeks. The fact he's a hard bastard, with nearly 20 years of intense training behind him probably helped too - he was still in shape even as a recluse with a dodgy knee (which seemed to me to have been psychosomatic...to an extent)!

Necessity is the mother of invention and all that.


He had no cartilege in his knee. We were informed of this by a doctor within the film. Before his leg brace he could barely stand on it and then after a serious back injury he's climbing rock walls and making unlikely leaps of faith. It's just a teensy bit ridiculous, even for a super hero film.

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 3:48:55 PM   
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Have to agree with the above. It is a bit ridiculous.

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 3:52:22 PM   
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Just got back from seeing it.
A fitting end to a great trilogy that doesn't talk down to its audience.


It has flaws and maybe doesn't scale the heights of TDK but I'll take this over Michael Bay any day of the week.


I loved it all most as much as i love my brother Mr Monkey. He has a new(ish) car. Lol

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 3:54:18 PM   
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Ledley King played professional football for years without cartilage in his knees, plus Bruce is pretty dejected at the start whereas in the prison he's doing mad amounts of press ups and the like.

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RE: RE: - 23/7/2012 4:20:07 PM   
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Needed much, much more Bane and much, much less Robin. Felt they tried to cram too many important characters into a movie and did not do as well as Avengers in that case.

The big brawl/fight was also laughable, looked like they were all playing pattycake and went to the A-Team school of shooting (lack of blood and bulletholes was annoying also). However, that's about it when it comes to my niggles towards the movie, absolutely fucking loved it and in IMAX it blew my mind.

Long and short of it. The movie needed 100% more Bane, he was fucking awesome.

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 4:36:58 PM   
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Just got back from seeing it.
A fitting end to a great trilogy that doesn't talk down to its audience.


It has flaws and maybe doesn't scale the heights of TDK but I'll take this over Michael Bay any day of the week.


I loved it all most as much as i love my brother Mr Monkey. He has a new(ish) car. Lol

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RE: Holy over-analysis Batman. - 23/7/2012 4:42:09 PM   
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Yeah but why make it easy for someone? I love the idea of it being built and then Wayne looks at the timer and buttons and goes "Hey wait a minute!"


I don't think it was a timer per-say, just a visual indication of the devices safety condition, if it stays green its safe, if it goes to red its bad. I bet most nuclear reactors have something similar built into them.

Plus it just gives the film a good ticking timebomb motif, like the bomb in Goldfinger, why did that have to have a timer? There's no reason for it but its there and it works just like in this film.

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 4:48:05 PM   
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Have to agree with the above. It is a bit ridiculous.



Yes because a man running around the city in a batsuit isn't

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 4:52:26 PM   
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Just got back from seeing it a second time. Less frustrating than the first viewing, but also a lot flatter. Turns out the Imax really did make a huge difference to the experience of seeing it first time, as this time it just wasn't that interesting.

One thing I picked up on that I missed first time though (and possibly has been mentioned by others)... my understanding of Nolan's Batman is that he is a symbol to inspire the people of Gotham to rise up and take back their city from the criminal underworld, right? He can't fight crime on his own forever, he just has to give everyone the push that they need to do it themselves.
This was mentioned all throughout Batman Begins, it was mentioned in The Dark Knight, and it was reinforced several times in The Dark Knight Rises. Batman even took the time to erect a burning Bat Symbol on the bridge, as a sort of call to arms to encourage people to fight back, even though he had mere hours to save the city (or only 45 minutes, I'm not exactly sure when that deadline was reached).

Was it just me or did this not happen? The signal inspired Matthew Modine to come out and lead his men, and Batman inspired Blake to take on the cause at the end (or implied that he might do it), but apart from a few hundred Gotham Police Officers I didn't see anyone else raise arms against Tyranny, certainly not the citizens of Gotham anyway.

What did I miss?

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RE: Implausability in a superhero movie - Holy irony Ba... - 23/7/2012 4:59:28 PM   
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You know I took the "Robin" line at the end to be a wry in joke, a little wink to the audience, and nothing more really.

It does give anyone wanting to run with it a toe hold though.


I don't think Nolan is one for the wry joke / nod to fans. I think he was making a definite point about the character with the Robin line

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:00:48 PM   
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Just got back from seeing it a second time. Less frustrating than the first viewing, but also a lot flatter. Turns out the Imax really did make a huge difference to the experience of seeing it first time, as this time it just wasn't that interesting.

One thing I picked up on that I missed first time though (and possibly has been mentioned by others)... my understanding of Nolan's Batman is that he is a symbol to inspire the people of Gotham to rise up and take back their city from the criminal underworld, right? He can't fight crime on his own forever, he just has to give everyone the push that they need to do it themselves.
This was mentioned all throughout Batman Begins, it was mentioned in The Dark Knight, and it was reinforced several times in The Dark Knight Rises. Batman even took the time to erect a burning Bat Symbol on the bridge, as a sort of call to arms to encourage people to fight back, even though he had mere hours to save the city (or only 45 minutes, I'm not exactly sure when that deadline was reached).

Was it just me or did this not happen? The signal inspired Matthew Modine to come out and lead his men, and Batman inspired Blake to take on the cause at the end (or implied that he might do it), but apart from a few hundred Gotham Police Officers I didn't see anyone else raise arms against Tyranny, certainly not the citizens of Gotham anyway.

What did I miss?


You didn't miss anything. The people of Gotham, outside of the stadium scene, are pretty much absent from the film. The exodus that Blake leads out is a bus and some kids. Which compared with the way the people of the city were threaded into TDK seems odd. It is one of the big issues I have with the film.

Might have been interesting with the police were fightng and losing then down another street the people themselves rose up and fought Banes goons. A moment of triumph for the city. But mostly the city feels empty in the film.

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:05:16 PM   
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Oops typo

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:05:50 PM   
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You didn't miss anything. The people of Gotham, outside of the statium scene, are pretty much absent from the film. The exodus that Blake leads out is a bus and some kids. Which compared with the way the people of the city were threaded into TDK seems odd. It is one of the big issues I have with the film.

Might have been interesting with the police were fightng and losing then down another street the people themselves rose up and fought Banes goons. A moment of triumph for the city. But mostly the city feels empty in the film.

It's things like this that made the film feel quite small to me. No huge crowd scenes like the Mayor's shooting in The Dark Knight for instance.

Also Bane = Alan Partridge.

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:06:26 PM   
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The exodus that Blake leads out is a bus and some kids.


watch it again - there's a whole load of cars / taxis / vans and people getting out of them on the bridge behind Blake and the bus of children. The kids are in front because they are the first people Blake tries to save. There's even a scene where he tells said kids to knock on doors and tell others to follow them. It's not shown in mass detail but there's definitely two or three shots that confirm there are more people joining the exodus out of the city


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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:06:58 PM   
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Also for the EPIC FINAL SAGA more main characters died in the previous film than this one.

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:08:14 PM   
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It wasn't that epic a crowd shot though, it's still just a few people getting out of vehicles.

I saw it an hour ago

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:09:06 PM  1 votes
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The exodus that Blake leads out is a bus and some kids.


watch it again - there's a whole load of cars / taxis / vans and people getting out of them on the bridge behind Blake and the bus of children. The kids are in front because they are the first people Blake tries to save. There's even a scene where he tells said kids to knock on doors and tell others to follow them. It's not shown in mass detail but there's definitely two or three shots that confirm there are more people joining the exodus out of the city



I did watch it again. There is one single quick shot of people on the bridge - the camera is focused entirely on the bus.

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:10:29 PM   
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Also for the EPIC FINAL SAGA more main characters died in the previous film than this one.


Really, Bane, Talia, The Mayor, The Deputy Commissioner, John Daggett Vs Harvey Dent, The Commissioner, The Judge and Rachel Dawes

5 Vs 4

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:12:44 PM   
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I did watch it again. There is one single quick shot of people on the bridge - the camera is focused entirely on the bus.


But its more than just a bus and some kids as your original post said. It may not be an epic sweeping shot but the bridge is narrow and covered in debris - how many people can you show at once? It also pans back later on to show the bus with several vechicles behind it


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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:14:08 PM   
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sorry Rgirvan44 it was Hood_man's original post not yours



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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:15:13 PM   
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Also for the EPIC FINAL SAGA more main characters died in the previous film than this one.


Really, Bane, Talia, The Mayor, The Deputy Commissioner, John Daggett Vs Harvey Dent, The Commissioner, The Judge and Rachel Dawes

5 Vs 4


The good guys and the emotion impact that they would have on the audience is what I was referring to. Literal deaths vs deaths that actually had an impact. Still think the movie could have got rid of Fox. Make him the only guy that knows how the weaponise the device (since he built it) and kill him in the stadium. A shocking event which would spur Wayne on to get out of the pit.

Did anyone give a crap about Daggett or Modine? I cared more for Eric Roberts dying in the last one.

Although Mayor Eyelashes was a sad death. He was awesome.

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:15:53 PM   
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A hobby by the sound of it. Its abit to long winded to go into why normal citizens didn't fight but if your city was under attack, would you fight or flee? We don't know until put in that position.so the realistic thing to do would be having more people fleeing than fighting because the majority of people on the planet have never and probably will never train to fight.

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:16:03 PM   
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I did watch it again. There is one single quick shot of people on the bridge - the camera is focused entirely on the bus.


But its more than just a bus and some kids as your original post said. It may not be an epic sweeping shot but the bridge is narrow and covered in debris - how many people can you show at once? It also pans back later on to show the bus with several vechicles behind it



I dunno - Dark Knight managed to show a big crowd of people heading towards a bridge easily enough.

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:17:06 PM   
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A hobby by the sound of it. Its abit to long winded to go into why normal citizens didn't fight but if your city was under attack, would you fight or flee? We don't know until put in that position.so the realistic thing to do would be having more people fleeing than fighting because the majority of people on the planet have never and probably will never train to fight.


Yeah of course - but the thematic point of the films - to inspire the people of Gotham to action, would have been underpinned by them in the final film  actually being inspired to take action if that makes sense. A final triumph for Wayne.

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:17:41 PM   
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Although Mayor Eyelashes was a sad death. He was awesome.


Gotta agree there! But why does he wear mascara in every role (see Lost)? Its just kinda weird....maybe he hoped people would think that he was The Batman....

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:17:48 PM   
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I did watch it again. There is one single quick shot of people on the bridge - the camera is focused entirely on the bus.


But its more than just a bus and some kids as your original post said. It may not be an epic sweeping shot but the bridge is narrow and covered in debris - how many people can you show at once? It also pans back later on to show the bus with several vechicles behind it


A few vehicles doesn't constitute an exodus though, this is Gotham City not Delhi

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:20:31 PM   
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I did watch it again. There is one single quick shot of people on the bridge - the camera is focused entirely on the bus.


But its more than just a bus and some kids as your original post said. It may not be an epic sweeping shot but the bridge is narrow and covered in debris - how many people can you show at once? It also pans back later on to show the bus with several vechicles behind it


A few vehicles doesn't constitute an exodus though, this is Gotham City not Delhi


Yeah this is a city of 12 million people. They don't even't cut back to the underground tunnel.

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RE: batwing overkill? - 23/7/2012 5:22:45 PM   
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I dunno - Dark Knight managed to show a big crowd of people heading towards a bridge easily enough.


Not sure he needed to show it though - it was more important to have Blake interact with the kids and show him try to reassure / save them. We could have had him running through crowds of people shouting "COME ON - HEAD TO THE BRIDGE!" whilst waving his hands around but is has more emotional pull to show him protecting other vulnerable children who have a direct link to his and Batman's story. I think the shots we saw proved that he was trying to save others without having to have more scenes of crowds piling through a city

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