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ORIGINAL: elab49

Fraud would have been a whole lot harder to prove if they hadn't bothered to raid the Exchange to give another set-piece and had just put through the trades. Just saying - not the brightest plan. 

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Yeah I am not sure how it couldn't be taken literally.

How it happened is left up in the air. But he did survive.

Did you write the movie? You don't know for sure. But one thing is for sure , you dont swim away from an atomic blast.

No I didn't write the movie but I certainly watched it and all the scenes post bomb and pre Alfred showed that Batman was still around.

Your problem should be with the script, not me.

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Yeah I am not sure how it couldn't be taken literally.

How it happened is left up in the air. But he did survive.

Did you write the movie? You don't know for sure. But one thing is for sure , you dont swim away from an atomic blast.

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Yeah I am not sure how it couldn't be taken literally.

How it happened is left up in the air. But he did survive.

Did you write the movie? You don't know for sure. But one thing is for sure , you dont swim away from an atomic blast.

Maybe Batman had a fridge on The Bat

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

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ORIGINAL: burtbondy

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Yeah I am not sure how it couldn't be taken literally.

How it happened is left up in the air. But he did survive.

Did you write the movie? You don't know for sure. But one thing is for sure , you dont swim away from an atomic blast.

No I didn't write the movie but I certainly watched it and all the scenes post bomb and pre Alfred showed that Batman was still around.

Your problem should be with the script, not me.

I think hoping Alfred is imagining things is a hope that Nolan didn't do something you didn't want him to do that didn't make sense.

After all - this was still a Hollywood blockbuster. The good guy very rarely dies.

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ORIGINAL: Rgirvan44

Yeah I am not sure how it couldn't be taken literally.

How it happened is left up in the air. But he did survive.

Did you write the movie? You don't know for sure. But one thing is for sure , you dont swim away from an atomic blast.

Maybe Batman had a fridge on The Bat

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ORIGINAL: SWOTBM

Did anyone else think Ras was actually going to make an corporeal appearance in the prison? I thought from the way the story had been told up to then, it would have made sense for Bane to have seized control of the LoS and imprisoned Ras in there. Then Ras helps Bruce escape. He [Ras] could then either do a runner or insist that he stays behind until he can get out of the prison himself.

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Well he did say he was immortal.....

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ORIGINAL: SWOTBM

Well he did say he was immortal.....

I don't think that was meant to be taken literally.

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ORIGINAL: SWOTBM

Well he did say he was immortal.....

I don't think that was meant to be taken literally.

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Well he did say he was immortal.....

I don't think that was meant to be taken literally.

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It was in Wayne's head, referencing back to the appearance in the cell in Begins and the pep talk there.

I think someone above may not have gotten the fridge ref

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Well he did say he was immortal.....

I don't think that was meant to be taken literally.

I thought it would have worked quite well, especially given Ras' connection to the Lazarus pits (although admittedly in the comics)

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Well he did say he was immortal.....

I don't think that was meant to be taken literally.

I thought it would have worked quite well, especially given Ras' connection to the Lazarus pits (although admittedly in the comics)

But how could you have Bane running the LoS if Ra's is still around? Plus, Talia wouldn't have the same motive for revenge if her dad was alive and kicking.

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He survived, Alfred diddnt imagine him at the table. He clearly was flying the bat from the autopilot cockpit inside the weapons room or set it first then jumped out so wasn't even in it when the bomb, goes off.

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!!!!!!!!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!



For f**k's sake people. You can't say Batman survived the ending. You literally saw him flying the Bat over the coastline with seconds to spare. As someone else pointed out, even if he jumped at the last minute, after we cut away from him, he still would have died. (I can't even see how he flew 6 miles so quickly).

It HAS to be that Alfred imagined him, because that was referenced earlier. Ok so he fixed the autopilot. So what? Doesn't mean he used it.

Again - we SAW it. We saw him fly out. I'm fed up with Directors / writers putting in cheap twists, showing us one thing then changing it later. It's so phoney.

Why don't we just re-write Wayne's parents back into the film. they MAY have survived! Ok so we see them get shot, but they could have been taken away and revived. What about Rachel? Maybe she survived too. What about Dent? Is he ALSO alive? Hey - maybe Bane is still around too. And Neeson's character.

I'm amazed that people are ok with this. If it turns out that Batman is still alive, I'll probably lose all respect for Nolan as a writer.

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I'm not sure - given each part was clearly told he was still around, I was genuinely surprised it was even questioned and assumed it was mainly people who'd missed the other bits at the end of the film.

I'd say again - Kyle was there. It was a place Alfred said he went to every year, so easy to set up.

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!!!!!!!!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!



For f**k's sake people. You can't say Batman survived the ending. You literally saw him flying the Bat over the coastline with seconds to spare. As someone else pointed out, even if he jumped at the last minute, after we cut away from him, he still would have died. (I can't even see how he flew 6 miles so quickly).

It HAS to be that Alfred imagined him, because that was referenced earlier. Ok so he fixed the autopilot. So what? Doesn't mean he used it.

Again - we SAW it. We saw him fly out. I'm fed up with Directors / writers putting in cheap twists, showing us one thing then changing it later. It's so phoney.

Why don't we just re-write Wayne's parents back into the film. they MAY have survived! Ok so we see them get shot, but they could have been taken away and revived. What about Rachel? Maybe she survived too. What about Dent? Is he ALSO alive? Hey - maybe Bane is still around too. And Neeson's character.

I'm amazed that people are ok with this. If it turns out that Batman is still alive, I'll probably lose all respect for Nolan as a writer.

The reference earlier has Alfred saying he THINKS he sees Bruce at the cafe and then, when the guy turns round, immediately realises its someone else. Are we to believe that the ending is Alfred , in contrast, hallucinating and seeing someone who isn't actually there? That's like one of those Garfield without Garfield strips.This isn't Inception, and Alfred having a mental breakdown doesn't sound like much of a happy ending to me

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I'm not sure - given each part was clearly told he was still around, I was genuinely surprised it was even questioned and assumed it was mainly people who'd missed the other bits at the end of the film.

I'd say again - Kyle was there. It was a place Alfred said he went to every year, so easy to set up.

Nobody told anyone he was clearly around. It's all suggested. That's why I think there is no way he could have survived. He may have wanted people to think he was still around. But i'll say it again. we SAW him fly out with the bomb. Seriously, what else is there to say? He was in the cockpit with seconds left.

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I'm not sure - given each part was clearly told he was still around, I was genuinely surprised it was even questioned and assumed it was mainly people who'd missed the other bits at the end of the film.

I'd say again - Kyle was there. It was a place Alfred said he went to every year, so easy to set up.

Nobody told anyone he was clearly around. It's all suggested. That's why I think there is no way he could have survived. He may have wanted people to think he was still around. But i'll say it again. we SAW him fly out with the bomb. Seriously, what else is there to say? He was in the cockpit with seconds left.

Does anyone remember how many seconds are left in the last shot of Batman definitely in the cockpit?

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ORIGINAL: jrewing1000

!!!!!!!!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!



For f**k's sake people. You can't say Batman survived the ending. You literally saw him flying the Bat over the coastline with seconds to spare. As someone else pointed out, even if he jumped at the last minute, after we cut away from him, he still would have died. (I can't even see how he flew 6 miles so quickly).

It HAS to be that Alfred imagined him, because that was referenced earlier. Ok so he fixed the autopilot. So what? Doesn't mean he used it.

Again - we SAW it. We saw him fly out. I'm fed up with Directors / writers putting in cheap twists, showing us one thing then changing it later. It's so phoney.

Why don't we just re-write Wayne's parents back into the film. they MAY have survived! Ok so we see them get shot, but they could have been taken away and revived. What about Rachel? Maybe she survived too. What about Dent? Is he ALSO alive? Hey - maybe Bane is still around too. And Neeson's character.

I'm amazed that people are ok with this. If it turns out that Batman is still alive, I'll probably lose all respect for Nolan as a writer.

The reference earlier has Alfred saying he THINKS he sees Bruce at the cafe and then, when the guy turns round, immediately realises its someone else. Are we to believe that the ending is Alfred , in contrast, hallucinating and seeing someone who isn't actually there? That's like one of those Garfield without Garfield strips.This isn't Inception, and Alfred having a mental breakdown doesn't sound like much of a happy ending to me

But that's exactly my point. What is more likely? Batman survives a nuclear bomb, or Alfred is imagining things again, JUST like he did earlier? (or maybe there's a third option - that Nolan screwed up the ending). There's nothing wrong with showing Alfred imagining things. It's kinda poetic.