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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 21/7/2012 1:01:22 AM   
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MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!



Seriously guys and gals. For all of you who think that Batman survives in the end, you are quite wrong! He clearly goes with the bomb. Alfred is imagining seeing Bruce, as he described to Bruce earlier in the film. It's a fantasy! There is absolutely no way he survived the bomb. And if this emerges as the actual truth of the movie, I will never forgive Nolan, because that's a ridiculous, cheap trick to play on the audience, after actually seeing Batman fly out with the bomb.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 21/7/2012 1:20:00 AM   
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MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!



Seriously guys and gals. For all of you who think that Batman survives in the end, you are quite wrong! He clearly goes with the bomb. Alfred is imagining seeing Bruce, as he described to Bruce earlier in the film. It's a fantasy! There is absolutely no way he survived the bomb. And if this emerges as the actual truth of the movie, I will never forgive Nolan, because that's a ridiculous, cheap trick to play on the audience, after actually seeing Batman fly out with the bomb.
I also REALLY hope that Bruce did die with the bomb. It is just totally ridiculous, even in a 'superhero' universe to claim he survived that.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 21/7/2012 1:24:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jrewing1000

MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!



Seriously guys and gals. For all of you who think that Batman survives in the end, you are quite wrong! He clearly goes with the bomb. Alfred is imagining seeing Bruce, as he described to Bruce earlier in the film. It's a fantasy! There is absolutely no way he survived the bomb. And if this emerges as the actual truth of the movie, I will never forgive Nolan, because that's a ridiculous, cheap trick to play on the audience, after actually seeing Batman fly out with the bomb.


SPOILERS!!!!

Then how do you explain the need to include the scene involving Lucius Fox just before?


Obviously just seen it tonight & whilst I'm still digesting it a little, overall it's a reasonably satisfying end to a pretty remarkable costumed hero trilogy - which comes full circle with a relatively fitting ending.

It does have its problems though, most of which involve the plotting & the introduction/re-introduction of Batman into the public domain.

Also, after seeing TDK in LIEMAX the previous night, one also cannot help but feel Rises would have been very different if Ledger was still with us - & that TDK remains the strongest standalone of the three (by a fair distance).

A gripping bloated epic, and I'm looking forward to a second viewing tomorrow.

4/5




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RE: Bat-tastic! - 21/7/2012 5:10:49 AM   
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SPOILERS

I still need time to digest but my initial thoughts are that TDKR is probably the finest of Nolans trilogy and this years best blockbuster by a mile. I wont go on for too long as its really early and I need to see it a few more times but I could barely find fault in the films execution. Sure there are a couple of plot holes and a few missed opportunities but none of that matters when presented with such an astounding spectacle.

The film manages to blend the fast paced fun of BB with the complexity of TDK, giving us some genuine emotional heft TDK lacked and raising the stakes for Gotham similar to BB toxic gas in the shape of the bomb. This of course isn't exactly a new idea (energy device turned "boom") but its Nolans nod to Hitchcock with the whole ticking timebomb scenario. The addition of Blake as a sidekick is refreshing (loved the Robin reveal) whilst Bane surely steals the show, far from the mindless hulk who smashes things (although he does smash) and is genuinely frightening for most of the film. Alos for the mentioned spectacle, TDKR contains some of the best action sequences of any summer film in recent memory.

Highlights;

The opening plane heist.

Bales performance, easily the best of the trilogy.

The red herring plot twist that wasn't what we thought it was but actually was.

The first Batman/Bane fight was truly epic and brutal beyond the films rating. You really felt every crunch, and loved the back-break homage (even if his back wasn't really broke)

Neeson's/Murphy's cameos respectively.

The Bat.

The stadium attack, this will live in cinema history as iconic.

The stock exchange siege with the following bike chase.

Batman's comeback especially the Fire Rises signal (now it makes sense) sent tingles up my spine

The final war, pretty much everything about the final 30 minutes (mostly)


A few bad points and questions;

Bane's death was ultimately a let down, I would've preferred he'd gone out toe to toe with Bats instead of just being blown away so easily.

I think Bruce's time in the prison could've been expanded upon instead of just having a Rocky style comeback.

What were Bane's motivations other than fulfilling the LOS mission or was that it?

How did Bruce get from wherever he was (assuming India) all the way back to Gotham and crucially, back into the city in the space of a day or so, considering he had no money or means to re-enter a city completely shut off? Also what was the point about the supplies he was carrying with him? I smell a deleted scene somewhere, none of this was explained.

What happened to Lucius? I may have missed it but I didn't see any shots of him in the closing montages. Did he drown or get out?

Why did they have a detonator for the bomb when it was already due to go off by itself?

There were also too many McGuffins going on here, not only the energy/bomb thing but also the device that wipes your history which does/doesn't exist. What happened with that?

And Girv

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To get people’s attention Bane destroys the football stadium in the scene we have all seen in the trailers. That is about as big as the film gets by the way

No different to the truck flip from TDK which was also in the trailers.


I think that's about all that needs more clarity for me, everything else worked and I can see past its flaws (just like I look past the flaws of the first two) and know that the good points far outweigh the bad. Overall I came out of this film feeling about the same as I did the first time I watched Begins (I actually didn't rate TDK that well initially, that film had to grow on me even if I'm still unsure of its third act) which was a feeling of exuberance, knowing in my gut that this film is stellar. TDRK is a truly powerful finale to the best comic-book trilogy ever filmed. Cant wait to see this another few times with Ninj.

Now bring on the Nightwing spin-off.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 21/7/2012 5:14:21 AM   
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Seen it (in IMAX, no less). Perfect ending to what, in my opinion, is the greatest trilogy in the history of film.


What was the sound like? I've heard that IMAX has no problems with understanding dialogue, whereas in other cinemas (I saw it at Odeon Leceister Sq) some of the dialogue is unintelligable.


I still had issues with some dialogue in IMAX. Only a couple of times though, and this is certainly not something specific to Rises. Begins and Dark Knight have some lines of dialogue lost due to the sound mix and choice of effect on the vocal (I'm thinking specifically Scarecrow in Batman Begins) and recently I found dialogue was lost in the mix in Spiderman. But yea, there are a couple of lost lines here and there.


It depends on where in the IMAX theatre you're sitting, if its centre then you should get more dialogue but where I was to the left some lines are drowned out by the enormo music and sounds coming out of the surround speakers.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 21/7/2012 8:27:24 AM   
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Amazing film.

If Michael Caines two big scenes don't make you cry... Well... You must not have a heart.

Oldman said to Hardy during filming about Caines acting "Thats how it's done". He was absolutely right.

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RE: Bat-tastic! - 21/7/2012 9:09:46 AM   
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What happened to Lucius? I may have missed it but I didn't see any shots of him in the closing montages. Did he drown or get out?

There were also too many McGuffins going on here, not only the energy/bomb thing but also the device that wipes your history which does/doesn't exist. What happened with that?




1) Lucius is at the graveside with Alfred and Gordon at the end.

2) In plot terms I don't think it existed at all, it was a hook to lure Selina in. In thematic terms, however, it ties into the ending and whether Bruce died or not.


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 21/7/2012 9:18:06 AM   
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MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!



Seriously guys and gals. For all of you who think that Batman survives in the end, you are quite wrong! He clearly goes with the bomb. Alfred is imagining seeing Bruce, as he described to Bruce earlier in the film. It's a fantasy! There is absolutely no way he survived the bomb. And if this emerges as the actual truth of the movie, I will never forgive Nolan, because that's a ridiculous, cheap trick to play on the audience, after actually seeing Batman fly out with the bomb.

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Seriously guys and gals. For all of you who think that Batman survives in the end, you are quite wrong! He clearly goes with the bomb. Alfred is imagining seeing Bruce, as he described to Bruce earlier in the film. It's a fantasy! There is absolutely no way he survived the bomb. And if this emerges as the actual truth of the movie, I will never forgive Nolan, because that's a ridiculous, cheap trick to play on the audience, after actually seeing Batman fly out with the bomb.


Of course he is seeing him there - otherwsise why would they have the scene wth Fox where the techs tell him that Bruce rebuilt the auto-pilot on the ship.

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RE: Bat-tastic! - 21/7/2012 9:27:12 AM   
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What happened to Lucius? I may have missed it but I didn't see any shots of him in the closing montages. Did he drown or get out?

There were also too many McGuffins going on here, not only the energy/bomb thing but also the device that wipes your history which does/doesn't exist. What happened with that?




1) Lucius is at the graveside with Alfred and Gordon at the end.

2) In plot terms I don't think it existed at all, it was a hook to lure Selina in. In thematic terms, however, it ties into the ending and whether Bruce died or not.



It's only a bit of code so I don't see why it could exist in a world that last film saw every single mobile phone used as a sonic detector. And it fit in with the MO of the applied sciences unit of buying up developments that were more of a threat than a help. And it's just a big hacky thing that would worm it's way through what would be pretty linked international law enforcement databases - it was one of the more believable bits of science on show

Also, Lucius was back in Wayne Ent before the end as well.


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 21/7/2012 9:43:31 AM   
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MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!



Seriously guys and gals. For all of you who think that Batman survives in the end, you are quite wrong! He clearly goes with the bomb. Alfred is imagining seeing Bruce, as he described to Bruce earlier in the film. It's a fantasy! There is absolutely no way he survived the bomb. And if this emerges as the actual truth of the movie, I will never forgive Nolan, because that's a ridiculous, cheap trick to play on the audience, after actually seeing Batman fly out with the bomb.

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Seriously guys and gals. For all of you who think that Batman survives in the end, you are quite wrong! He clearly goes with the bomb. Alfred is imagining seeing Bruce, as he described to Bruce earlier in the film. It's a fantasy! There is absolutely no way he survived the bomb. And if this emerges as the actual truth of the movie, I will never forgive Nolan, because that's a ridiculous, cheap trick to play on the audience, after actually seeing Batman fly out with the bomb.


Of course he is seeing him there - otherwsise why would they have the scene wth Fox where the techs tell him that Bruce rebuilt the auto-pilot on the ship.


Yep, I realise that now. What an incredibly cheap to play on the audience. We saw him fly out to sea?!!!! I think that's incredibly lazy writing.

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RE: Bat-tastic! - 21/7/2012 9:50:51 AM   
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Getting back to the debate about the mask and the first fight. I just assumed that Bruce knew of Bain's dependency on the mask, but was so outclassed physically (and spiritually) that he simple wasn't able to do anything about it.

Also, not sure if this is mentioned, but when chaos in Gotham ensues, wouldn't that have The Joker on the streets again? there's no mention at all of him at all, and I know it wouldn't fit, but what is supposed to have happened to him?

I think the end premise of the city being held hostage/decent into mob rule etc could have been tailored to be the main plot of the film and would have worked much better. As it stands, it seemed far too condensed and hurried to have much of an impact.

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RE: Bat-tastic! - 21/7/2012 9:56:05 AM   
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Getting back to the debate about the mask and the first fight. I just assumed that Bruce knew of Bain's dependency on the mask, but was so outclassed physically (and spiritually) that he simple wasn't able to do anything about it.

Also, not sure if this is mentioned, but when chaos in Gotham ensues, wouldn't that have The Joker on the streets again? there's no mention at all of him at all, and I know it wouldn't fit, but what is supposed to have happened to him?

I think the end premise of the city being held hostage/decent into mob rule etc could have been tailored to be the main plot of the film and would have worked much better. As it stands, it seemed far too condensed and hurried to have much of an impact.


Exactly. And seems to have basically failed as most of Gotham seemed to be hiding in their houses. Chaos from the usual suspects didn't really give bragging rights to Bane et al, even if they were eventually pulling the plug anyway.

I think the 8 year gap is a problem for the Batman story but it probably makes it easier to explain away the lack of a Joker. Probably in a Federal lock-up.


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RE: MONUMENTAL STUFF!!!!!!!! - 21/7/2012 10:18:11 AM   
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A three star film for me personally.

A very exposition heavy first act (Including some pretty shocking dialogue) with constantly odd editing gave me a certain coldness towards it. I've been waitng years and am a huge Nolan fan but I do think its his worst film.

I agree with complaints others have noted already that have been shrugged off as 'its a movie', Not to be all venomous fan boy but

HUGE SPOILERS

How the hell did Wayne get back to Gotham?
How was the bat so well maintained after the explosion?
Bruce spent years training to become a master of illusion and martial arts but is happy to just leave it all with a Gotham beat cop? He'd be murdered on his first outing as Bat in no time.
How the hell does Alfred know so much about Bane? Is he secretly the leader of the league or something? Wow.

The second Alfred told his story about the cafe I was gutted because it was so contrived there was absoulutely no way it wouldn't be the ending, a few of us were gutted as it was so obvious.

Was Dagget really needed? Not really. And there is little in the way of feeling for any characters killed off as they were hardly used anyway.

One again Crane was wasted which was a huge shame.
Bane was pretty great up until the tears and the reasoning for him being there (Yuk)

It really did feel there was a great film in here but it needed to be at least three and a half hours so everything was condensed. Bruce in prison felt like no time at all. The climax to it all was rushed. The war scene begins strong then fizzles and abruptly ends, selina's young friend was a character that went nowhere and again had no conclusion, there were no characters to relte to and feel for/with in terms of the lower class that rise up to take Gotham. It all felt just a little off, like it just didn't fit.

Also, Bruce didn't seem to give a shit about his money going, obviously he has bigger fish to fry but literally no emoiton either way about it?

THe worst offender was Blakes 'middle name' line and Bane and Batman's dialgoue exchange before the final fight. Both were met with groans in the cinema.

The first fight was phenomenal, though. Absolute class. And Caine is exceptional. The score was maginificent too. Dissapointed but glad so many others seem to love it.
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RE: MONUMENTAL STUFF!!!!!!!! - 21/7/2012 10:24:14 AM   
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I think Daggett was needed as they believed the only way to get access to the fusion reactor was for Wayne to hand it over - and they only way that would happen was if he was about to lose control of the company and the project and he'd need to keep it out of the hands of the crafted bad guy - Daggett.

Now that seems a little odd to me - either the project was so well hidden no-one would find it, so it didn't matter who was in charge, or who was in charge was relevant therefore the project was findable - in which case there was no reason for Bane et al to go the complicated way round.

I can't really think of a credible option other than these tbh. Given it's been mothballed for years and applied sciences doesn't exist on the books - why the handover? No matter how they built up Tate's character, it didn't change Wayne's view of the reactors dangerousness.


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 21/7/2012 10:26:32 AM   
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MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!



Seriously guys and gals. For all of you who think that Batman survives in the end, you are quite wrong! He clearly goes with the bomb. Alfred is imagining seeing Bruce, as he described to Bruce earlier in the film. It's a fantasy! There is absolutely no way he survived the bomb. And if this emerges as the actual truth of the movie, I will never forgive Nolan, because that's a ridiculous, cheap trick to play on the audience, after actually seeing Batman fly out with the bomb.

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Seriously guys and gals. For all of you who think that Batman survives in the end, you are quite wrong! He clearly goes with the bomb. Alfred is imagining seeing Bruce, as he described to Bruce earlier in the film. It's a fantasy! There is absolutely no way he survived the bomb. And if this emerges as the actual truth of the movie, I will never forgive Nolan, because that's a ridiculous, cheap trick to play on the audience, after actually seeing Batman fly out with the bomb.

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But then does that not mean that the scene where Fox is told that Bruce fixed The Bat's autopilot months ago not something of a cheap trick?

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 21/7/2012 10:28:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jrewing1000

MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!



Seriously guys and gals. For all of you who think that Batman survives in the end, you are quite wrong! He clearly goes with the bomb. Alfred is imagining seeing Bruce, as he described to Bruce earlier in the film. It's a fantasy! There is absolutely no way he survived the bomb. And if this emerges as the actual truth of the movie, I will never forgive Nolan, because that's a ridiculous, cheap trick to play on the audience, after actually seeing Batman fly out with the bomb.

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Seriously guys and gals. For all of you who think that Batman survives in the end, you are quite wrong! He clearly goes with the bomb. Alfred is imagining seeing Bruce, as he described to Bruce earlier in the film. It's a fantasy! There is absolutely no way he survived the bomb. And if this emerges as the actual truth of the movie, I will never forgive Nolan, because that's a ridiculous, cheap trick to play on the audience, after actually seeing Batman fly out with the bomb.


Of course he is seeing him there - otherwsise why would they have the scene wth Fox where the techs tell him that Bruce rebuilt the auto-pilot on the ship.

Bruce was still on the batwing when the timer read 5 seconds to go. He was also still on it when he past the shoreline, so even he he did hop out into the water the nuclear blast radius of over 6 miles would of obliterated him. I didn't like the outcome either , but there is no doubt Batman is as dead as a herring. . Also Alfred was clearly distrought at the tombstone and seeing him at the end was a sense of comfort knowing he's up there with his loved ones and what not

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 21/7/2012 10:31:52 AM   
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Nice of him to imagine Selena Kyle there too.

And there was also the message to Gordon too. Each of them was given the information he was still around.


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 21/7/2012 10:33:24 AM   
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Yeah I am not sure how it couldn't be taken literally.

How it happened is left up in the air. But he did survive.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 21/7/2012 10:36:29 AM   
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MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!



Seriously guys and gals. For all of you who think that Batman survives in the end, you are quite wrong! He clearly goes with the bomb. Alfred is imagining seeing Bruce, as he described to Bruce earlier in the film. It's a fantasy! There is absolutely no way he survived the bomb. And if this emerges as the actual truth of the movie, I will never forgive Nolan, because that's a ridiculous, cheap trick to play on the audience, after actually seeing Batman fly out with the bomb.

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Seriously guys and gals. For all of you who think that Batman survives in the end, you are quite wrong! He clearly goes with the bomb. Alfred is imagining seeing Bruce, as he described to Bruce earlier in the film. It's a fantasy! There is absolutely no way he survived the bomb. And if this emerges as the actual truth of the movie, I will never forgive Nolan, because that's a ridiculous, cheap trick to play on the audience, after actually seeing Batman fly out with the bomb.


Of course he is seeing him there - otherwsise why would they have the scene wth Fox where the techs tell him that Bruce rebuilt the auto-pilot on the ship.

Bruce was still on the batwing when the timer read 5 seconds to go. He was also still on it when he past the shoreline, so even he he did hop out into the water the nuclear blast radius of over 6 miles would of obliterated him. I didn't like the outcome either , but there is no doubt Batman is as dead as a herring. . Also Alfred was clearly distrought at the tombstone and seeing him at the end was a sense of comfort knowing he's up there with his loved ones and what not


He was clearly distraught due to everyone at this point thinking he had died, later Gordon see's the bat signal fixed, Fox finds out about the BatWing having autopilot and Alfred sees him later on,

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RE: MONUMENTAL STUFF!!!!!!!! - 21/7/2012 10:40:02 AM   
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Also, Bruce didn't seem to give a shit about his money going, obviously he has bigger fish to fry but literally no emoiton either way about it?





He was made bankrupt but I always assumed that Bruce would have some money (literally) stashed somewhere for such an eventuality. Lots of famous, rich people have came back from being bankrupt, and I interpreted those scenes as Bruce wondering what Bane's bigger plan is, rather than being upset about the bankrupsting or thinking it was an end in itself, which is consistent with the character of master detective Batman.
And we saw in Batman Begins Bruce travelling about with criminals, so I never saw him managing to get back to Gotham as that big a deal (if those special agent soldiers can smuggle themselves in then so can Batman). And Bruce does get caught not long after being seen in Gotham.

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RE: MONUMENTAL STUFF!!!!!!!! - 21/7/2012 10:43:17 AM   
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When does he get caught? I only remember the bit where he got Catwoman to pretend he was caught to get to Fox. 

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RE: MONUMENTAL STUFF!!!!!!!! - 21/7/2012 10:45:13 AM   
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Actually doesn't Fox say they will likely be able to prove fraud and get the money back? That is another plot thread that disappeared at the end.

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RE: MONUMENTAL STUFF!!!!!!!! - 21/7/2012 10:47:47 AM   
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Fraud would have been a whole lot harder to prove if they hadn't bothered to raid the Exchange to give another set-piece and had just put through the trades. Just saying - not the brightest plan. 

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RE: MONUMENTAL STUFF!!!!!!!! - 21/7/2012 10:49:36 AM   
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Bane's goons believe Bruce has been caught before she beats them up.

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RE: MONUMENTAL STUFF!!!!!!!! - 21/7/2012 10:53:44 AM   
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Actually doesn't Fox say they will likely be able to prove fraud and get the money back? That is another plot thread that disappeared at the end.



Do they address this at the end? You could argue that the settling of the will scenes suggest that Bruce does still have considerable assets when he apparently dies ( I remember the dude making some comment about everything else being left to Alfred - ''everything else'' of nothing isn't much!)

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RE: MONUMENTAL STUFF!!!!!!!! - 21/7/2012 10:56:27 AM   
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I don't think the fraud thing was anything more than a throwaway comment, tbh. Not really important in the grand scheme of things, I thought.

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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 21/7/2012 10:59:29 AM   
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Yeah I am not sure how it couldn't be taken literally.

How it happened is left up in the air. But he did survive.

Did you write the movie? You don't know for sure. But one thing is for sure , you dont swim away from an atomic blast.

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RE: MONUMENTAL STUFF!!!!!!!! - 21/7/2012 10:59:30 AM   
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I think the big glowy thing on the bridge was a bit of a giveaway too.And that's when Bane found out he was back - scene made that clear.


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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 21/7/2012 11:02:50 AM   
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The Dark Knight Rises

Christopher Nolan has made his final Batman adventure a stupendous action thriller that is in every way bigger than it's predecessors. Whatever The Joker did, Bane does better. If Gotham was in trouble before, you won't believe what happens to it here. What did that poor city do to desereve all this? This is to The Dark Knight what  Return of the King was to The Two Towers, and if you think that's a good thing, here's the flipside to that coin -- it also takes an hour to get going, is completely humourless and doesn't know how to end.

Four new main characters are introduced, and Nolan takes his time doing so. The most interesting addition is arguably Joseph Gordon-Levitt who turns a very layered performance as the instinctive cop/detective Blake, who feels he's got a part in the preceedings even though he's a complete outsider. When Anna Hathaway first makes her appearance, something strange happens. The movie threatens to become fun, dangerous and exciting and her chemistry with Bruce Wayne is the kind of sensation you hope gets carried through the story.

But this movie isn't about all that.

Bane is the star of the show, and when he gets going there's no knowing how he can possibly be stopped. Can't someone, at some point, just shoot him? There's a ferocity in Tom Hardy's Bane that rivals The Joker's insanity. He is, as Woody Harrelson woulds say in No Country..., a guy without a sense of humour. When he casts a shadow over Gotham that seems hopeless and indelible, Christopher Nolan presents us with his most bravura filmmaking yet. His backstory is intertwined with the fate of Bruce Wayne and it makes their showdown powerful and relentless.

This is where Marion Cotillard comes in, whose Miranda is (for reasons I can't get into here), the most contrived addition to the story. Everything she says and does weights down the story and things become silly instead of believable. And believability is what Nolans Batmans were all about, right? 

Four out of five stars.



***Spoilerish questions which could use answering; ***

- why is it that when the multiple explosions turn the footballfield into a giant sinkhole there isn't any panic in the stadium? Bane walks in, has a speech and everyone is just sitting there!!

- why is it that when the cops get rescued from being trapped underground for weeks, they're all tight in their uniform and look like they've only been there for a few hours?







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RE: The Dark Knight Rises - 21/7/2012 11:03:26 AM   
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Yeah I am not sure how it couldn't be taken literally.

How it happened is left up in the air. But he did survive.

Did you write the movie? You don't know for sure. But one thing is for sure , you dont swim away from an atomic blast.


No I didn't write the movie but I certainly watched it and all the scenes post bomb and pre Alfred showed that Batman was still around.

Your problem should be with the script, not me.

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