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Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 7:41:32 AM   
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Other than obvious directors like John Lasseter, Clement & Musker, or Miyazaki, I wondered if there were a significant number of directors - and I'm talking almost exclusively of modern directors - who have never made an 18. Obviously directors like John Ford, or Orson Welles never did, because such a concept wasn't there then.

But contemporary directors with a significant output: who has never made an 18? This is as distinct from an R rating, because R ratings tend to get split between 15s and 18s over here. (E.g., The Matrix.)

Spielberg is the first one that springs to mind.

Ridley Scott too, I think.

James Cameron technically has, but The Terminator has been reclassified now.

Even Woody Allen has directed an 18.

Any others? There are probably loads that I just can't think of at the moment.


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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 7:55:50 AM   
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I guess the closest Speilberg got was propbably Poltergeist for a horror film anyway, although Directing duties wasn't him.
I dont know what warrants an 18 certificate nowadays, as most 15's show extreme violence and bad language. To get to the next bracket I imagine you're talking sexual violence, really extreme horror, very adult themese - none of which a director like Spielberg would do, or needs to do. It would be such a departure from his usual vision, I mean, he made adult themed films like Jaws, Schindlers List, Munich without the need to overpush the boundaries.

I think some films need an 18 classification, but I'd say a lot of (but not all) 18 films are really mostly down to the director trying to be a bit naughty, a bit like the uncool kid in class showing off.

The great film-makers don't need to do that. Even those who are firmly in the 18 bracket (Kubrick, Verhoeven, Romero, Stone, Carpenter) only are because that's their genre.
It's not about pushing the boundaries more that their vision and type of film required that level of violence,sex, bad language etc.


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Ridley Scott too, I think.




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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 8:06:01 AM   
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I guess the closest Speilberg got was propbably Poltergeist for a horror film anyway, although Directing duties wasn't him.
I dont know what warrants an 18 certificate nowadays, as most 15's show extreme violence and bad language. To get to the next bracket I imagine you're talking sexual violence, really extreme horror, very adult themese - none of which a director like Spielberg would do, or needs to do. It would be such a departure from his usual vision, I mean, he made adult themed films like Jaws, Schindlers List, Munich without the need to overpush the boundaries.

I think some films need an 18 classification, but I'd say a lot of (but not all) 18 films are really mostly down to the director trying to be a bit naughty, a bit like the uncool kid in class showing off.

The great film-makers don't need to do that. Even those who are firmly in the 18 bracket (Kubrick, Verhoeven, Romero, Stone, Carpenter) only are because that's their genre.
It's not about pushing the boundaries more that their vision and type of film required that level of violence,sex, bad language etc.


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Ridley Scott too, I think.




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Ridley Scott also directed Hannibal which was an 18.

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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 8:08:08 AM   
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The only two that spring to mind are George Lucas and Chris Nolan.

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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 8:14:47 AM   
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Ridley Scott too, I think.




Alien



Ridley Scott also directed Hannibal which was an 18.


Yeah I knew that, I didn't like to rub it in.
He's green you know, it would be embarassing.

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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 9:13:51 AM   
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James Cameron technically has, but The Terminator has been reclassified now.



Erm.....Aliens.

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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 9:27:44 AM   
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I guess the closest Speilberg got was propbably Poltergeist for a horror film anyway, although Directing duties wasn't him.
I dont know what warrants an 18 certificate nowadays, as most 15's show extreme violence and bad language. To get to the next bracket I imagine you're talking sexual violence, really extreme horror, very adult themese - none of which a director like Spielberg would do, or needs to do. It would be such a departure from his usual vision, I mean, he made adult themed films like Jaws, Schindlers List, Munich without the need to overpush the boundaries.

I think some films need an 18 classification, but I'd say a lot of (but not all) 18 films are really mostly down to the director trying to be a bit naughty, a bit like the uncool kid in class showing off.

The great film-makers don't need to do that. Even those who are firmly in the 18 bracket (Kubrick, Verhoeven, Romero, Stone, Carpenter) only are because that's their genre.
It's not about pushing the boundaries more that their vision and type of film required that level of violence,sex, bad language etc.


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Ridley Scott too, I think.




Alien



Ridley Scott also directed Hannibal which was an 18.


Black Rain was also an 18 originally.

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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 10:10:23 AM   
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Ridley Scott too, I think.




Alien



Ridley Scott also directed Hannibal which was an 18.


Black Rain was also an 18 originally.


American Gangster also! Hehehehe.

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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 10:39:49 AM   
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haha keep them coming, we'll get the fucker sacked at this rate

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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 10:57:13 AM   
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People who direct a lot of kids films seems to be the way to go. Chris Columbus looks to be one - couple of 15s, I thought Rent would be higher, but I think no 18s.


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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 10:59:11 AM   
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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 11:13:57 AM   
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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 1:17:17 PM   
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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 1:20:45 PM   
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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 1:21:10 PM   
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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 1:24:15 PM   
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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 1:45:13 PM   
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18s films are very rare these days.It seems in some cases they even edit certain things out to get that 15s certificate.
More grown up films please!

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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 2:03:07 PM   
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18s films are very rare these days.It seems in some cases they even edit certain things out to get that 15s certificate.
More grown up films please!


If one believes that then isn't that to suggest that "grown up films" revolve around sex, violence and swearing? You can get away with pretty much anything in a 15 bar penetration, sexually aggressive profanity and lingering violence, not that I think a film aimed at adults ought to revolve around such things anyway.

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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 3:02:40 PM   
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18s films are very rare these days.It seems in some cases they even edit certain things out to get that 15s certificate.
More grown up films please!


If one believes that then isn't that to suggest that "grown up films" revolve around sex, violence and swearing? You can get away with pretty much anything in a 15 bar penetration, sexually aggressive profanity and lingering violence, not that I think a film aimed at adults ought to revolve around such things anyway.
That isn't what i'm saying.I don't know why people assume "adult" means sex or violence?Adult themes encompass more than that,and I wasn't refering to just 18s certs.There are a lot of dumb films out there and i'd like something with a bit more substance more often.

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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 3:06:17 PM   
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18s films are very rare these days.It seems in some cases they even edit certain things out to get that 15s certificate.
More grown up films please!


If one believes that then isn't that to suggest that "grown up films" revolve around sex, violence and swearing? You can get away with pretty much anything in a 15 bar penetration, sexually aggressive profanity and lingering violence, not that I think a film aimed at adults ought to revolve around such things anyway.
That isn't what i'm saying.I don't know why people assume "adult" means sex or violence?Adult themes encompass more than that,and I wasn't refering to just 18s certs.There are a lot of dumb films out there and i'd like something with a bit more substance more often.


Because you're talking about the 18 certificate - and that relates primarily to sex and violence. As Adam says - substance has nothing to do with certificate. Grown up complex themes have nothing to do with certificate.  Most of the arguments on that at the moment seem to be around Dredd and Expendables 2.


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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 3:15:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: elab49

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ORIGINAL: TragicRomantic


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ORIGINAL: TragicRomantic

18s films are very rare these days.It seems in some cases they even edit certain things out to get that 15s certificate.
More grown up films please!


If one believes that then isn't that to suggest that "grown up films" revolve around sex, violence and swearing? You can get away with pretty much anything in a 15 bar penetration, sexually aggressive profanity and lingering violence, not that I think a film aimed at adults ought to revolve around such things anyway.
That isn't what i'm saying.I don't know why people assume "adult" means sex or violence?Adult themes encompass more than that,and I wasn't refering to just 18s certs.There are a lot of dumb films out there and i'd like something with a bit more substance more often.


Because you're talking about the 18 certificate - and that relates primarily to sex and violence. As Adam says - substance has nothing to do with certificate. Grown up complex themes have nothing to do with certificate.  Most of the arguments on that at the moment seem to be around Dredd and Expendables 2.

I was talking about two things,18 certs and grown up films,they are not mutually exclusive.
I would disagree about the theme,it can certainly affect the rating if its about certain themes.
My key point is the lack of quality adult films,irrespective of cert.

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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 3:26:16 PM   
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In which case that's taking this thread a little too off-topic. I'm sure there is a more general discussion thread on this out there, but if search doesn't help you're welcome to start one.

We did have quite a general discussion on it when A Serbian Film was first released

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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 3:41:24 PM   
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Ok,wasn't intended too!
And never seen it.

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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 6:14:16 PM   
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There are a lot of dumb films out there and i'd like something with a bit more substance more often.


I agree that there *are* a lot of dumb films out there, but I don't think there's an especial lack of films with more substance. In the last four weeks alone we've had Cosmopolis, Killer Joe, The Hunter, Moonrise Kingdom, Polisse, Magic Mike, Nostalgia For The Light, Your Sister's Sister and A Royal Affair. With the exception of Nostalgia For The Light and A Royal Affair all of those films were widely accessible.

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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 7:29:37 PM   
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Ridley Scott too, I think.




Alien



Ridley Scott also directed Hannibal which was an 18.


Black Rain was also an 18 originally.


American Gangster also! Hehehehe.


Well, my Alien boxset is under A for Alien, not under S for Scott, Ridley. And the American Gangster DVD is R1, so has no rating on the spine. And I don't know what happened to my Hannibal DVD.

But yeah. Oops.



The older directors like David Lean are obviously not going to have any 18s. It's really only modern directors that can count.

Even Mr Goonies and Mr Superman had an 18, with The Omen!




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RE: Never directed an 18 - 12/7/2012 7:33:06 PM   
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Even Mr Goonies and Mr Superman had an 18, with The Omen!


And the first two lethal weapon films, once upon a time.


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RE: Never directed an 18 - 13/7/2012 7:49:28 AM   
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Even Mr Goonies and Mr Superman had an 18, with The Omen!


And the first two lethal weapon films, once upon a time.



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RE: Never directed an 18 - 13/7/2012 8:22:13 AM   
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RE: Never directed an 18 - 13/7/2012 8:57:09 AM   
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RE: Never directed an 18 - 13/7/2012 8:59:55 AM   
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He's had a couple cut to maintain that though - do those count?

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