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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 6/7/2012 1:00:05 PM   
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Been watching a few scientology documentaries recently and after seeing clips of Travolta talking about the cult for the first time I have to say, while Cruise has the demeanour and arrogance of a good-looking car salesman, our John comes across as a clueless, duped idiot, his 'beliefs' nothing more than a bag of magic beans. In one of them he even claimed that if Elvis and Marilyn Monroe had only been scientologists they'd stil be alive. There's an obvious response to that comment which I won't make here but...hmm.

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 6/7/2012 1:05:38 PM   
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Has Katie Holmes actually come out and blamed Scientology for the break up? Anything I read so far seem to be the media filling in the gaps themselves.

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 6/7/2012 1:24:12 PM   
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Whether Scientology is a reason for the dissolution of their marriage or not, it cannot have escaped her that it would play a huge part in any post-divorce scenario, given the manner in which Scientologists behave to those who leave the church. How the situation is going to be healthy for their young daughter, I do not know. As the child she is the innocent victim in this instance. Kat(i)e Holmes clearly had strong reasons to leave Tom Cruise, given what she knows of the Cult, and the possible separation of her child from one parent permanently must have weighed heavily on her mind.

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 6/7/2012 1:30:15 PM   
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Has Katie Holmes actually come out and blamed Scientology for the break up? Anything I read so far seem to be the media filling in the gaps themselves.


The reports in the US read as if Holmes' reps have directly accused the Co$ of following them.


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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 6/7/2012 1:35:23 PM   
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That doesn't surprise me one bit!

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 6/7/2012 1:41:14 PM   
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Check out the video on YouTube of Cruise giving a speech about 'study technology'. Not sure if it was filmed pre or post-Kate but how anyone could trust such a transparent bullshitter, let alone fall in love with and be impregnated by them, is beyond me.

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 6/7/2012 1:43:06 PM   
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Is that the one they tried to get wiped off the internet? 

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 6/7/2012 1:43:45 PM   
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Jings, could the guy come across as any more transparent.

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 6/7/2012 1:54:02 PM   
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Is that the one they tried to get wiped off the internet? 


No, this one is him giving a speech at a church somewhere (it might even be in England). Judging by his hair and beard I'm guessing it was around the time of The Last Samurai which (I think) was before he met Katie.
Anyway, it's kind of frightenimng, annoying and plain offensive in equal measure but the main thing I took away from it is he's not even very good at it - sure, he raises his voice and gets passionate at the right time but he could be telling you hard scientific facts and you still wouldn't believe a word he says, so wafer-thin is his shifty politician/pervy driving instructor persona.


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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 6/7/2012 2:00:09 PM   
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I like Cruise a lot as an actor.He is a great screen presence in most of his films.His personal life and religious views are his own business.He really needs to keep a low profile about this stuff though.Its going to turn people off his films ( again ).

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 6/7/2012 2:13:29 PM   
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There's several things I thought he was great in - Born On The Fourth Of July, Rain Man, Magnolia, Collateral, Tropic Thunder - but he just plays it safe and does generic action tat these days.

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 6/7/2012 2:58:16 PM   
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Would it be fair to assume that, due to this cult, the daughter is either not going to see her mum or her dad once they're divorced?

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 6/7/2012 3:36:54 PM   
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Check out the video on YouTube of Cruise giving a speech about 'study technology'. Not sure if it was filmed pre or post-Kate but how anyone could trust such a transparent bullshitter, let alone fall in love with and be impregnated by them, is beyond me.


Think you need to take into account just how much of an impact Cruise had on Holmes. Apparently growing up she had posters of him on her walls - it's probably not too far fetched to believe that part of this childhood/adolescent fascination added to the attraction. I mean, if Jordan Knight were to proposition me now...


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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 6/7/2012 3:52:22 PM   
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Check out the video on YouTube of Cruise giving a speech about 'study technology'. Not sure if it was filmed pre or post-Kate but how anyone could trust such a transparent bullshitter, let alone fall in love with and be impregnated by them, is beyond me.


Think you need to take into account just how much of an impact Cruise had on Holmes. Apparently growing up she had posters of him on her walls - it's probably not too far fetched to believe that part of this childhood/adolescent fascination added to the attraction. I mean, if Jordan Knight were to proposition me now...



True, I suppose her parents should just be grateful she didn't take the David Gest route and get married to Cruise's daughter.

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 9/7/2012 7:31:58 PM   
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jerry Seifeld nearly got roped in.
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/jerry-seinfeld-once-dabbled-in-scientology.html

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 10/7/2012 12:19:43 AM   
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Apparently the divorce has been settled according to the beeb.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18776462

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 10/7/2012 12:46:47 PM   
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I'm actually pleased that an agreement has been reached with both so quickly - suggests that the basic custody issue has at least been tentatively agreed if not fully resolved.

It does, however, concern me that there is a specific reference (actually more than one reference) to their respective beliefs (which, let's face it, translates as the whole Scientology issue), as if to say that that will be a deciding factor in both the divorce itself and Suri's future. Which I think is ridiculous.

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 14/7/2012 8:55:11 AM   
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http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/bb0067f61c/tom-cruise-divorce-drunk-cheeseburger?playlist=featured_videos

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 14/7/2012 12:55:52 PM   
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http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/bb0067f61c/tom-cruise-divorce-drunk-cheeseburger?playlist=featured_videos

hehehe


He looks just like Tom Cruise, if only they had added some humour.

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 14/7/2012 11:03:50 PM   
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Scientology is no different to Catholicism or Christianity as far as I'm concerned.


No its very different.


How so?


One is a religion and the other is a cult. I'm saying this as a non-believer if that gives perspective.



lol. when does a cult stop being a cult and start being a religion? christianity was a cult when it comprised solely of Saul/Paul of Tarsus spreading the word...it never existed prior to him.

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 14/7/2012 11:09:19 PM   
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If you can point to your local parish priest regularly charging increasing amounts for basic services, instructing you to break off all contact with anyone not fully on board with what they're telling you (to isolate you and make you more vulnerable)  and then stalking you if you decide to leave then you'd have a better argument for comparing modern christian sects to the Co$

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 14/7/2012 11:59:46 PM   
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If you can point to your local parish priest regularly charging increasing amounts for basic services, instructing you to break off all contact with anyone not fully on board with what they're telling you (to isolate you and make you more vulnerable)  and then stalking you if you decide to leave then you'd have a better argument for comparing modern christian sects to the Co$


well, lets be thankful they don't burn people at the stake...like the christians of yore used to do, we won't even mention the inquisition....

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 15/7/2012 12:07:46 AM   
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If you can point to your local parish priest regularly charging increasing amounts for basic services, instructing you to break off all contact with anyone not fully on board with what they're telling you (to isolate you and make you more vulnerable)  and then stalking you if you decide to leave then you'd have a better argument for comparing modern christian sects to the Co$


well, lets be thankful they don't burn people at the stake...like the christians of yore used to do, we won't even mention the inquisition....


You mean this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbcyiFt5VEs


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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 15/7/2012 12:12:15 AM   
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If you can point to your local parish priest regularly charging increasing amounts for basic services, instructing you to break off all contact with anyone not fully on board with what they're telling you (to isolate you and make you more vulnerable)  and then stalking you if you decide to leave then you'd have a better argument for comparing modern christian sects to the Co$


well, lets be thankful they don't burn people at the stake...like the christians of yore used to do, we won't even mention the inquisition....


Governments used to behead people too. Times change. Let's move on, eh?


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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 15/7/2012 12:48:50 AM   
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If you can point to your local parish priest regularly charging increasing amounts for basic services, instructing you to break off all contact with anyone not fully on board with what they're telling you (to isolate you and make you more vulnerable)  and then stalking you if you decide to leave then you'd have a better argument for comparing modern christian sects to the Co$


well, lets be thankful they don't burn people at the stake...like the christians of yore used to do, we won't even mention the inquisition....


You mean this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbcyiFt5VEs



Shirley you mean this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt0Y39eMvpI


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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 15/7/2012 9:19:51 AM   
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If you can point to your local parish priest regularly charging increasing amounts for basic services, instructing you to break off all contact with anyone not fully on board with what they're telling you (to isolate you and make you more vulnerable)  and then stalking you if you decide to leave then you'd have a better argument for comparing modern christian sects to the Co$


well, lets be thankful they don't burn people at the stake...like the christians of yore used to do, we won't even mention the inquisition....


Governments used to behead people too. Times change. Let's move on, eh?



i think they still do somewhere. albeit under islamic rule not christianity.


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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 15/7/2012 1:01:32 PM   
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It does make me laugh when a discussion about Scientology and a celebrity divorce somehow ends up being a 'let's have a go at Christianity' thread.


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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 15/7/2012 1:33:34 PM   
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lol. when does a cult stop being a cult and start being a religion? christianity was a cult when it comprised solely of Saul/Paul of Tarsus spreading the word...it never existed prior to him.


Time mostly, which scientology doesn't have. It's also not helped by the fact that we could talk to people who knew the guy who invented it and hear stories of it's creation from them. All of which can be put online for all to read, for as long as technology exists. Not a lot of verifiable first person testimony available on the creation of Christianity (unless you're going to include the Bible), which at least was a cult based on the Abrahamic tradition. As opposed to a pulp sci-fi hack claiming we are all aliens in order to make lots of money (which he did).

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 15/7/2012 1:47:47 PM   
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Whether Scientology is a reason for the dissolution of their marriage or not, it cannot have escaped her that it would play a huge part in any post-divorce scenario, given the manner in which Scientologists behave to those who leave the church. How the situation is going to be healthy for their young daughter, I do not know. As the child she is the innocent victim in this instance. Kat(i)e Holmes clearly had strong reasons to leave Tom Cruise, given what she knows of the Cult, and the possible separation of her child from one parent permanently must have weighed heavily on her mind.


Good post i completely agree with you. I have read that she has now gone back to Catholicism.

I must say that i was surprised at the divorce announcment. I never saw her leaving him tbh (not for a long time anyway). It seems to me that she got real swept up into his world. In the media she was always portrayed as a fembot that was controlled by Tom.

Just reading stuff it seems the media underestimated her and that she is stronger than anyone gave her credit for. To start divorce proceedings without TC knowing and taking him by surprise, must have taken some real good planning.

I hope that this doesn't effect Suri in the long term and that once the dust has settled the paps will leave her alone to live a relatively 'normal' life. I have always felt that she was way too overexposed even for a celebs kid.

Also i am glad that both TC and KH have reached an 'amicable' agreement. I did not see Katie getting sole custody when i first heard the news. I thought that TC would fight it. But its over now so lets hope everyone involved can move on.

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RE: Katie Holmes comes to her senses... - 15/7/2012 2:07:14 PM   
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Whether Scientology is a reason for the dissolution of their marriage or not, it cannot have escaped her that it would play a huge part in any post-divorce scenario, given the manner in which Scientologists behave to those who leave the church. How the situation is going to be healthy for their young daughter, I do not know. As the child she is the innocent victim in this instance. Kat(i)e Holmes clearly had strong reasons to leave Tom Cruise, given what she knows of the Cult, and the possible separation of her child from one parent permanently must have weighed heavily on her mind.


Good post i completely agree with you. I have read that she has now gone back to Catholicism.

I must say that i was surprised at the divorce announcment. I never saw her leaving him tbh (not for a long time anyway). It seems to me that she got real swept up into his world. In the media she was always portrayed as a fembot that was controlled by Tom.

Just reading stuff it seems the media underestimated her and that she is stronger than anyone gave her credit for. To start divorce proceedings without TC knowing and taking him by surprise, must have taken some real good planning.

I hope that this doesn't effect Suri in the long term and that once the dust has settled the paps will leave her alone to live a relatively 'normal' life. I have always felt that she was way too overexposed even for a celebs kid.

Also i am glad that both TC and KH have reached an 'amicable' agreement. I did not see Katie getting sole custody when i first heard the news. I thought that TC would fight it. But its over now so lets hope everyone involved can move on.



I get your points but I'm not sure what a smooth-talking cartoon feline's got to do with it.

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